Poll for Christians on Muslims

[schpoogie]

I'm just taking a poll here,
i will reveal the reasons for my poll once enough votes are cast

 

[brightmorningstar]

Yes I love Muslims. I dont like Islam though.

 

[dayhiker]

I've not meet a Muslim person that I had a problem with.
Ya, having read quite a bit about Islam since 9-11, Mohammad's life, Islamic history, and how they have persecuted the church has resulted in my having major problems with Islam as a belief system. But then I have some problems with some Christian beliefs as well. But I don't find the problems I have with Christian beliefs go back to Jesus. They were beliefs that were added later. Seems to me Muslims have been better at keeping to what their founder did than we the church have been at doing what Jesus taught.

 

[schpoogie]

gotta agree with you there dayhiker, Jesus taught some amaizing stuff and in the NT letters there are some great teachings as well. I think we should stick as close as possible to what it says in the bible

 

[Deuteronomy13]

We need to kill all heretics.

Deuteronomy 13:7-12 New American standard

6 “If your brother, your mother’s son, or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul, entice you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods’ (whom neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 of the gods of the peoples who are around you, near you or far from you, from one end of the earth to the other end), 8 you shall not yield to him or listen to him; and your eye shall not pity him, nor shall you spare or conceal him. 9 But you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 So you shall stone him to death because he has sought to seduce you from the LORD your God who brought you out from the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and will never again do such a wicked thing among you.

 

[Freedom63]

We need to kill all heretics.

You really should try to spend more time in the new testament.

 

[Deuteronomy13]

You really should try to spend more time in the new testament.

2 John 9-11

9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. 11 Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work.

 

[Deuteronomy13]

Also the Old Testament matters.

 

[Freedom63]

Also the Old Testament matters.

Then I feel I must ask you the obvious question. How many have you personally killed? If you have not killed any then you are only a blow hard wanna be.

 

[Deuteronomy13]

Thats true but we need to make this a country run on the bible and if that happens then I can do it without breaking the law. The Bible tells you to obey your nations laws so I could break the law and break that part. Or I could break one of gods rules anyhow and not break the law therefor listening to god about following my countrys laws.

 

[Freedom63]

Thats true but we need to make this a country run on the bible and if that happens then I can do it without breaking the law. The Bible tells you to obey your nations laws so I could break the law and break that part. Or I could break one of gods rules anyhow and not break the law.

I call TROLL ALERT!!!

 

[Deuteronomy13]

I call TROLL ALERT!!!

I call modern day society is sick and nobody wants to follow the good book. The Bible is true in its entirety and we should really be enforcing it.

Thats why our economy is bad and God hits us with hurricanes and all sorts of punishments. Yet people ignore him when they just have to obey.

 

[schpoogie]

Deuteronomy13,

Jesus fulfilled the laws and the prophets...fulfilled meaning 'brought into completion'
The whole idea of the NT is that we, man, are incapable of following God's laws and keeping to His standards and so we are to put our faith in the only man who did, Jesus.

Now ask yourself, why in the whole of Jesus' ministry, he did not kill anyone, he did not kill a fly! I mean he had plenty of chances to.
He even prevented a woman (who was caught in adultery) from being stoned to death saying "let he who is without sin cast the first stone)
You see the point is that we are all stuck with our sinful natures, and the only way out is through Jesus...not by judging people and killing them.
Because if you judge someone then you are acting as if you were above the law.

Jesus just taught us to love, his whole ministry as about love (but not just love those who are dear to us) but to love ALL people, including our enemies. Coz even sinner's love thier close ones.

Now lastly, if you believe we are to be acting out the commands that God gave to the Israelites before Jesus came, I have one question for you... Do you observe the Sabbath?
That is the 4th commandment, so no work from friday sunset to saturday sunset...not even alowd to walk more than 3/4 of a mile otherwise it would be considered as work.

 

[Deuteronomy13]

Matthew 5:18-19

New International Version (NIV)

Jesus quote


18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Deuteronomy13]

So the old testament law is useless? Why do we still have the 10 commandments hanging in Christan churches now?

Luke 16:17

King James Version (KJV)


17And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

 

[Deuteronomy13]

Jesus hasent fulfilled yet anyhow. He has not come back to kill all sinners yet and take the good people to heaven. So he was not completely peaceful. Also he is the son of a worrier god. Exodus 15:3

Anyhow Islamic people are wicked.

Jesus quote.
Luke 19:27

English Standard Version (ESV)

27But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.'"

 

[Freedom63]

Jesus hasent fulfilled yet anyhow. He has not come back to kill all sinners yet and take the good people to heaven. So he was not completely peaceful. Also he is the son of a worrier god. Exodus 15:3

Anyhow Islamic people are wicked.

Jesus quote.
Luke 19:27

English Standard Version (ESV)

27But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.'"

You have a disgusting perspective of the Christian faith. (A VERY FALSE perspective) Every point you make is laced with hatred and false doctrine. The Fruit of the Spirit clearly is not in you.

 

[Peacedove]

I love muslims because they are human beings and I am told to love them by Jesus. I do not agree with all their beliefs but I respect their right to believe what they want to believe.

 

[schpoogie]

18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Yes i totally agree with this (taken out of context) verse, because the verse before this says that Jesus was the one who would fulfill these laws.
Matt 5:17-"I have not come to abolish them (the law and prophets) but to FULFILL them"
The laws still apply to us, but we are incapable of keeping to them, so our only hope is putting our faith in Jesus who did all the work for us...Yes God loves us that much!

17 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven

This verse means that we have to obey all of God's commands, even the ones that seem very small and insignificant...if we don't then we would be 'called least in the kingdom of heaven'. And that is not a good place to be.
Just shows how much we need Jesus to save us

but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Is it possible for a human being to practice and teach all the laws given through Moses?
I don't think so, Jesus is the only way to the Father.

So the old testament law is useless? Why do we still have the 10 commandments hanging in Christan churches now?

Well the 10 commandments are important, all the other commandments are derived from them.
I'm just saying that Jesus did the works for us, all God wants us to do is believe in him. John 3:16

17And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Yes i totally agree. Once again, Jesus fulfills the unfailing law

Jesus hasent fulfilled yet anyhow. He has not come back to kill all sinners yet and take the good people to heaven. So he was not completely peaceful. Also he is the son of a worrier god. Exodus 15:3

Jesus fulfilled the law when he was on the cross and his last words were "it is finished" John 19:30
The eastern language is very symbolic and has lots of imagery in its writting. God is described as a 'warrior' there to show how powerful he is.

27But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.'"

This is from the parable of ten minas,
My point was that Jesus lived the perfect life, of how God wanted us to live.
We are to look to him for inspiration on how we should live. In Jesus' life he never killed anyone, not one.
So why do you believe we ought to kill?

Look in the book of Acts 15:5, Its when the early christians were arguing wether gentiles should undergo circumcision

emphasis made in important parts, it reads-
"Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”
The apostles and elders met to consider this question. After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

I think this passage supports me in saying that humans are unable to observe God's laws, so our only hope is putting faith in Jesus.

Jesus said the 2 greatest things you could ever do was to Love God and Love your neighbour.

I think love is beutiful, and i believe God is love (1 John 4:8)
And i think love is essential for being a christian (1 Corintians 13:1-3)

Have a good day friend.

 

[steve_bakr]

I love muslims because they are human beings and I am told to love them by Jesus. I do not agree with all their beliefs but I respect their right to believe what they want to believe.

"The heavens declare the glory of the Lord" (Psalms 19:2a)