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Do you want belief in the Trinity as a requirement for membership in ND?

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Jim47

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I voted other, because.....

who's definition of Trinity?

I do not accept the branding of 3 persons, one God....

but I believe in the Trinity.....



Perhaps you should expand upon that?

Do you believe in the two main Christian creeds?



APOSTLES' CREED



The Apostles' Creed is a brief statement of gospel truths taught by the apostles. It was not formulated by theologians, but out of the needs of the Christian church. Christians used it to tell others what they believed and also to confess their faith with one another as they met for worship.

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth.

I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended into hell.
The third day he rose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty.
From there he will come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Christian Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.




NICENE CREED



The Nicene Creed was written around a.d. 325 in defense of the true Christian faith. The Council at Nicea developed it, expanding on the deity of Christ, in order to safeguard the apostles' teaching.


We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is,
seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation, he came down from heaven,
was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary,
and became fully human.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate.
He suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who in unity with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in one holy Christian and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.




THE ATHANASIAN CREED


This creed is named after St. Athanasius, a staunch defender of the Christian faith in the fourth century. It was prepared to assist the Church in combating two errors that undermined Bible teaching. One error denied that God's Son and the Holy Spirit are of one being or Godhead with the Father. The other error denied that Jesus Christ is true God and true man In one person. The Athanasian Creed continues to serve the Christian Church as a standard of the truth. It declares that whoever rejects the doctrine of the Trinity and the doctrine of Christ is without the saving faith.



Whoever wishes to be saved must, above all else, hold to the true Christian faith.
Whoever does not keep this faith pure in all points will certainly perish forever.
Now this is the true Christian faith:
We worship one God in three persons and three persons in one God,
without mixing the persons or dividing the divine being.
For each person -- the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit -- is distinct,
but the deity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one,
equal in glory and coeternal in majesty.
What the Father is, so is the Son, and so is the Holy Spirit.

 
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Bill has requested this poll.

Please discuss and vote, if you need more discussion as to the wording we can do another poll.

For purposes of this poll only recognized members votes will count.

What would it mean to be a member?
 
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God Bless Jim and
Happy birthday!

I do not think there needs to be any other restriction to participation in this form other than posting within the guidelines of these creeds.

Isa 6:3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
Isa 6:4 And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
Isa 6:5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.
Isa 6:6 Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:
Isa 6:7 And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.
Isa 6:8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.
Isa 6:9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

Isa 1:24 Therefore saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts, the mighty One of Israel, Ah, I will ease me of mine adversaries, and avenge me of mine enemies:


Joh 12:36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.
Joh 12:37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
Joh 12:38 That the saying of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
Joh 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Isaiah said again,
Joh 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
Joh 12:41 These things said Isaiah, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.


Act 28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.
Act 28:24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.
Act 28:25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Isaiah the prophet unto our fathers,
Act 28:26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:


 
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Perhaps you should expand upon that?

Do you believe in the two main Christian creeds?



APOSTLES' CREED



The Apostles' Creed is a brief statement of gospel truths taught by the apostles. It was not formulated by theologians, but out of the needs of the Christian church. Christians used it to tell others what they believed and also to confess their faith with one another as they met for worship.
I believe in God, the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth.

I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended into hell.
The third day he rose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty.
From there he will come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Christian Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.

I grew up Catholic, and that Creed was always said as the Holy Catholic church, to which I can not agree to....

but your version has Christian instead of Catholic, to which I can agree.

if this communion of the saints is a declaration of other men about who they think should be considered a Saint..., then I disagree....which is a Roman Catholic understanding....



NICENE CREED



The Nicene Creed was written around a.d. 325 in defense of the true Christian faith. The Council at Nicea developed it, expanding on the deity of Christ, in order to safeguard the apostles' teaching.


We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is,
seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation, he came down from heaven,
was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary,
and became fully human.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate.
He suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who in unity with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in one holy Christian and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

same as above....
is this baptism one of water or one of Spirit...?


THE ATHANASIAN CREED


This creed is named after St. Athanasius, a staunch defender of the Christian faith in the fourth century. It was prepared to assist the Church in combating two errors that undermined Bible teaching. One error denied that God's Son and the Holy Spirit are of one being or Godhead with the Father. The other error denied that Jesus Christ is true God and true man In one person. The Athanasian Creed continues to serve the Christian Church as a standard of the truth. It declares that whoever rejects the doctrine of the Trinity and the doctrine of Christ is without the saving faith.



Whoever wishes to be saved must, above all else, hold to the true Christian faith.
Whoever does not keep this faith pure in all points will certainly perish forever.
Now this is the true Christian faith:
We worship one God in three persons and three persons in one God,
without mixing the persons or dividing the divine being.
For each person -- the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit -- is distinct,
but the deity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one,
equal in glory and coeternal in majesty.
What the Father is, so is the Son, and so is the Holy Spirit.

I can agree with most of it but not the statement of persons....

God the Father
God the Son, manifest in the flesh as Christ
God the Holy Spirit, the power of God's Spirit.....

Christ is/was a person....in God's very image...

the 3 are ONE but not all persons....

in His service
c
 
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What would it mean to be a member?
We have a current rule that only Nondenom members can vote for the moderators of this forum. Also, only members should work on the wiki.
 
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I see from your fiath icon that you are ND. If you post here regularly then I would assume you are an accepted member. At least that is the deffinition I would use.
 
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who's definition of Trinity?
The real definition?

I do not accept the branding of 3 persons, one God....

but I believe in the Trinity.....
If you don't accept 3 persons, 1 God - then you do NOT believe in the Trinity.
 
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I voted for "other" . I agree with the Nicene Creed in that the Father , Jesus , and Spirit are all a part of the god-head . However , I don't agree with the idea of "Trinity" . In the writing called "Revelations" , it is mentioned that there are *seven* spirits of God . Limiting the god-head to three ignores that passage . However , the creed makes sure of the agreement that three are God while not limiting the number in the god-head to three .
 
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Hear oh Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One!

If God the Father is God, and the Word became Man, and the Word is God, and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God, there is only still one God.

So I vote yes, foundational belief.
 
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I believe in the trinity, but I don't believe that anyone has a true grasp on it and can completely understand it (or even come close to understanding). Perhaps this is why God did not outline it for us in scriptures, but only dropped clues, perhaps because he knew we could not understand while still on the earth.

I think a much more important question is "who is Christ?" For it is our belief in Him and who he is, is where our salvation rests. I think it to be more important for the membership to be based on who believes Jesus to be God, and the son of the living God. I don't mind speaking with those that have a different perpective of the trinity.
 
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I voted for "other" . I agree with the Nicene Creed in that the Father , Jesus , and Spirit are all a part of the god-head . However , I don't agree with the idea of "Trinity" . In the writing called "Revelations" , it is mentioned that there are *seven* spirits of God . Limiting the god-head to three ignores that passage . However , the creed makes sure of the agreement that three are God while not limiting the number in the god-head to three .

I agree with New Wineskin.

I also don't mind speaking with those who have a different perspective of the trinity, and I believe the question of who Jesus is, and did He come in the flesh is the most important.
 
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I believe in the trinity, but I don't believe that anyone has a true grasp on it and can completely understand it (or even come close to understanding). Perhaps this is why God did not outline it for us in scriptures, but only dropped clues, perhaps because he knew we could not understand while still on the earth.

I think a much more important question is "who is Christ?" For it is our belief in Him and who he is, is where our salvation rests. I think it to be more important for the membership to be based on who believes Jesus to be God, and the son of the living God. I don't mind speaking with those that have a different perpective of the trinity.
I believe you have an excellent point here...

It is the very concept of the identity of Jesus Christ as God in the flesh....that seems to be the problematic point.

No one seems to have a problem with God the Father as God...

...but there are many claims against Jesus being God and coming in the flesh. Which I firmly and strongly disagree with.

No one can fully understand the Triunity of God. I think that's one of the reasons why we personify the Trinity...it's the best our little brains can come up with...

I also think...and I'm sure others would agree...but I totally feel a "personal" relationship with God...which personifies Him to me.

I remember the first time...the Holy Spirit moved so strongly through me...I became aware of what the "Living God" actually meant. He lives! No doubt about it in my heart!

:amen:

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Rules to live by or even to join in a discussion?. I would rather see only the rules Abraham Lincoln used in describing what he wanted to see in a church before becoming a member of it:

"I have never united myself to any church, because I have
found difficulty in giving my assent without mental reservation,
to the long complicated statements of Christian doctrine which
characterizes their Articles of Belief and Confessions of Faith.
When any church will inscribe over its altar as its sole qualification for membership the Savior's condensed statement of both Law and Gospel, '"thou shalt love the Lord thy God
with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and
thy neighbor as thyself" that church will I join with all my heart and all my soul" [Abraham Lincoln]
 
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The real definition?


If you don't accept 3 persons, 1 God - then you do NOT believe in the Trinity.


says you....

and that is my point...



YOU cannot define for me what the Trinity is....I can define it for me just fine....


I believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit....


that sir is the Trinity....whether you want to accept it as such or not....


show me where the Holy Spirit or the Father were ever persons....you cannot...

Christ, YES absolutely, but not the other 2 members of the Godhead...

You just believe it because you were told to....

in His service
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Hear oh Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One!

If God the Father is God, and the Word became Man, and the Word is God, and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God, there is only still one God.

So I vote yes, foundational belief.
:thumbsup:
:amen:
 
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