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this is a common fallacy colported by history-denying right-wing extremists in the USA. In fact the USA started war with the muslim world by terrorizing murdering and robbing their countries for the past 60 years...
Then, I'm sorry to say, you have not read the Koran. The Koran is actually no more anti-Jew or anti-woman than the Bible. The "infidels" are people who have no faith in God. From my readings I see no difference between how the Koran and the Bible tells believers to handle the unbelievers.
Of course, I can't say much about people becoming more anti-Islam after reading the Koran because I know lots of people who found Christianity to be a load of hoo-hah after reading the Bible in-depth. Of course, we've been told we don't fully comprehend the text because we're not reading it through "the spiritual lens of a Christian". Could the same not be said of the Koran then? That, perhaps, people who gain an anti-Islam perspective are simply blinded to the beauty contained within the pages because they are not of the Muslim faith?
Well, i think the Jewish book of faith is basically the Torah. But my limited knowledge will undoubtedly be chopped down. Fair enough.Israel's book of faith is our Old Testament, Isn' it?
There is some violent references in it.
And yours has not? What can you tell me about violence in the Bible?Your supposed reading of the texts through rose-coloured glasses has clearly influenced your views.
What do you mean? Why not become what s/he already is?Seeing as how you are an apologist for Islam, why not become one?
Conquering and wars are very violent, and usually meant whole towns and cities were wiped out. Kill them all, isn't a modern war cry. If you killed everyone, no one would be left to start problems.(Like we had when we took over Iraq) Not saying we should have killed them all, but it prevents that problem. It was not first done by Israel, and Middle East countries do and did it too. We call it ethnic cleansing, but it for the most part, it wasn't about race, it was about keeping the conquered land secure.Well, i think the Jewish book of faith is basically the Torah. But my limited knowledge will undoubtedly be chopped down. Fair enough.
Some violent references? Reread the stories surround Israel reconquering after escaping from Egypt and how they managed to keep their land.
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Wording the question might be less than trivial, but one also needs to find out to what extent Americans understand that Muslim and Arabic are not remotely synonomous and that the biggest Islamic countries by far are Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh (and India if we are counting by numbers). Most Arabic countries are tiny. Thinking of Islam in terms of the Arabic countries gives a very distorted picture.The thing with Muslims is that there are good Muslims who are in touch with reality and who want to be a part of the real world, like Azerbaijan, Turkey, Syria and so forth and then there are other Muslims who are psychotically crazy and who want to restore the caliphate like Saudi Arabia and all the countries that ban alcohol.
Saudi Arabia is not our friend.
Veritas said:Not surprising. We are in a war with Muslim extremists, but they started it.
British One said:I would like another question posed - how many non-muslims have actually read the Qur'an?
I ask that because I think people would have a much greater anti-islam position if they had read it. I had a fairly neutral position before reading it, but was shocked by its content.
KatAutumn said:The problem is that you can't separate the religion from the region, as most Middle Eastern countries are steeped in theocracy. I can admit that I do not look favorably upon countries such as Pakistan, where women can be executed for being raped. I think it's awful when girls leaving school have acid thrown in their faces because they dare to receive an education. I think it's horrible the way the Koran has been twisted in perverted in some of those regions to the point where women are not treasured, where a woman can be killed by her husband for failure to produce a son.
I will, however, always stand up and defend Islam whenever it is portrayed as a religion of terrorism, just as I would if someone made blanket statements such as "all Christians are terrorists by nature". The problem isn't the religion. It's how people choose to interpret it.
Veritas said:Seeing as how you are an apologist for Islam, why not become one?
oh, I was only referencing the comparison between the OT/Torah and the Qu'ran; not any current struggle.Conquering and wars are very violent, and usually meant whole towns and cities were wiped out. Kill them all, isn't a modern war cry. If you killed everyone, no one would be left to start problems.(Like we had when we took over Iraq) Not saying we should have killed them all, but it prevents that problem. It was not first done by Israel, and Middle East countries do and did it too. We call it ethnic cleansing, but it for the most part, it wasn't about race, it was about keeping the conquered land secure.
The Middle East has been at war with each other for hundreds of years.
Israel always had to be stronger then any one country around them and
can't commit to anyone battle to much or another country would attack them while they were preoccupied.
The Israel/Holy land fight is very complicated. Abuses on both sides, we are allies with Israel, thus the Middle East targets us for siding with them.
Americans only see what happens to other people, caused usually by Middle Eastern people(Islamic extremists) so we don't have favorable views of people like them(Islamic people).
The worst massacre of innocent people was masterminded and carried out by Islamic extremists. Since they don't hold alligience to any one country, we can not hold anyone accountable, thus we blame the whole race, for the actions of a few. Not totally without warrant, since the extremist are hidden by some of the people.
I've probably read half. I do think parts seem shocking, but then again, imagine someone with no exposure whatsoever to Christianity trying to make sense of the Bible, especially the OT. When you're steeped in it, you grow up with an understanding that some is metaphor, some is literal; you know how to treat it and you can read the most violent or horrific verses with ease because you've been taught how to approach them.
America's colonial meddling into middle eastern affairs and support for criminal israeli policies after WW2 should be no secret
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