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Poll: Christian orientation?

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BigBadWlf

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That’s easy – Christian

I follow the commandment of Jesus: "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." John 13:34-35

I reject prejudice and discrimination against our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters. I oppose misusing the bible to justify personal prejudice after all prejudice is prejudice no matter who the victim is. It doesn’t matter if that victim is being singled out for their skin color or their orientation. I confront people making false statements about homosexuality.

To bad no actual poll was included
 
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Phinehas2

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Dear BigBaDWlf,
That’s easy – Christian
ok thanks.


I follow the commandment of Jesus: "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." John 13:34-35


I reject prejudice and discrimination against our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters.
Ok thats a little off topic from the OP question but so do I yet you claim I dont, which is why I started the thread.

Let me ask you, who are the gay and lesbian 'brothers' and 'sisters'? Are they Christians, if so why didnt you refer to them as Christians? If so why did you give them a sexual identity 'gay and lesbian' rather than Christian?
I dont think to love one another I oppose misusing the bible to justify personal prejudice
I would say you do as Jesus never loved anyone sexually and taught that sexual unions should be man and woman, so I would say on the basis of that evidence to suggest gay and lesbian is misusing the Bible to ones own personal prejudice.

no matter who the victim is.
But Jesus says if we love as He loved we will be persecuted because of Him, that means the same as victim to me.

It doesn’t matter if that victim is being singled out for their skin color or their orientation.
But where does that argument come from? The Biblical testimony says there is no male or female, Greek or Jew in Christ Jesus, yet you suggest there are.

I confront people making false statements about homosexuality.
So do I.


So what you do think the difference is between those who call themselves Christians and those who call themselves gay christians?
 
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BigBadWlf

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Let me ask you, who are the gay and lesbian 'brothers' and 'sisters'? Are they Christians, if so why didnt you refer to them as Christians?

Christians and Atheist and Buddhists and Pagans and a good number more religions

If so why did you give them a sexual identity 'gay and lesbian' rather than Christian?
First sexual identity is the degree to which we identify with the social and biological aspects of being a man or a woman.
Sexual orientation is defined by who one is emotionally, romantically and/or physically attracted to.

They aren’t the same thing.

Second neither have anything to do with religion any more than race has to do with religion. All separate

So what you do think the difference is between those who call themselves Christians and those who call themselves gay christians?
…style
 
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Phinehas2

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Dear BigBadWlf,

Christians and Atheist and Buddhists and Pagans and a good number more religions
That’s doesn’t make sense to me, Buddhists and atheists aren’t my brothers and sisters in Christ, they are just my brothers and sisters in humanity. But it begs another question, if they are atheist Buddist and pagan what have they got to do with Christian orientation which is the thread topic? What was the point of disguising them as gays and lesbians to me in the first place?


First sexual identity is the degree to which we identify with the social and biological aspects of being a man or a woman.
Ok male and female, man and woman yes.

Sexual orientation is defined by who one is emotionally, romantically and/or physically attracted to.
Still sexual, otherwise it would be just orientation, infact, if the orientation is emotional why isnt it emotional orientation. Surely emotional orientation is friendship?

But that’s not what I asked you, I asked you why you referred to them according to a sexual identity rather than Christian?

…style
What style? Please explain


Also if Christian is loving ones neighbour as oneself as you said, don’t ‘gay Christians’ or ‘GBL Christians’ do that? If not how are they Christians, if they do why the difference?
 
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I think that self-identification is much greater than one or two phrases.

To non-Christians, I'm a Christian. That's enough to explain my general view of the world.

To Catholics and Orthodox, I'm Protestant. That helps me define more clearly the similarities and differences we have in doctrine.

To Protestants, I'm Lutheran. An even narrower definition.

To young Christians, I'm one of the "old Christians." To African Christians, I'm an "American Christian." To single Christians, I'm a "married Christian". To liberal Christian, I'm a "conservative Christian". To cessationists, I'm a charismatic. And to gay Christians, I'm a heterosexual Christian.

These are only SOME of my "Christian orientations". I'm sure there are more. The "Christian" part tells me what my relationship with God is, and easily can be used alone without any other descriptor. The other adjective describes something else about me or my beliefs and doctrines. The additional information is not necessary to qualify or describe my Christianity, as if "older Christians" and "conservative Christians" (to pick two) are different sorts of Christians. "Christian" stands on its own. It's the other term that changes.
 
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Is your Christian orientation..
Based on Jesus Christ? - 'Christian'

Christian orientation? What is this exactly. Please elaborate, and use a dictionary if you need to. Please provide scientific references for where you are getting your information.

Based on Jesus Christ and sexual attraction? - 'Gay Christian' or 'GLB Christian'
So I am to understand that if your a heterosexual and Christian you have no place taking this poll? Because you know if your a Heterosexual AND a Christian, than you don't exist, because that would make the OP look stupid. (Sarcasm) You still seem to have difficulty understanding that Sexuality and Spirituality are both fundamentally different. My Sexuality does not define all who I am, nor does my Spirituality; they are just parts of a greater whole. Just because faith is your criteria for a sexual partner, doesn't change the fact that your a sexual being. If you have sex with one person, or with a thousand people, doesn't deter the fact that your a Heterosexual Christian. The only exception to this would be a non-sexual (someone who does not have sex with anyone).

Not to mention you have in turn labeled "Based on Jesus Christ and Sexual Attraction" as "Gay/GLB Christian. Are you not preforming the same error you so loosely accused others of doing?

other? - please state
Oh, how completely vague. Did you not go on this long argumentative streak about how the other poll didn't have a spot for you, and your strange love affair with Christ and your wife? In stead of specifying the many "orientations" that you seem so desperate to represent you have gone the opposite direction and represented no one; except for 1: people like you, 2: people who are GLBT Christians.

By the way, just to point out another obvious flaw with your logic. Sex and Gender in relationship to physiology are interchangeable terms. They mean the same thing.
 
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How many people, when someone asks them what religion they are, say "I'm a gay Christian." or "I'm a heterosexual Christian."? I can honestly say no one has ever said either one to me, and I've met thousands of Christians. :sorry: What happens is someone will say :"There's no such thing as a gay Christian!" and someone else will say "Uhmmm I'm a gay Christian." I'm not sure why that's a problem...:sorry:
tulc(many things seem confusing to me) :(
 
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