Politics and evo/ID in other countries

[PKJ]

I am wondering: what is the current state of creationism in other countries? There's been alot said about the USA, but what about other countries?

I know that in the province of Quebec there is at least 2 creationist organizations: ASCQ (independent) and CIM (local chapter of AiG). Both are active but do not seem very interested in politics, lobbying and such. Although there are some schools that illegally teach creationism to kids.

I don't know much about ID in the rest of Canada but I'll love to have some information.

 

[TimmyPage]

I believe its only a bit of Canada (quite a bit in the west)

Mostly in the states (largely the southern states)

And a very small amount in Britain as well.

It's nowhere near as mainstream as it is in the states though.

 

[lemmings]

My understanding of Creationism out side of the United States is that most of it comes from Islam. Their views however are closer to Intelligent Design because they believe that random actions do not occur.

 

[FishFace]

I've only met one creationist in the UK, and everyone I've mentioned it to thinks he's barking. Evolution is pretty much accepted.

 

[Dracil]

Some stuff in Australia.

Harun Yahya seems to be the big Islamic creationist. Ken Miller actually mentioned the guy in his ID talk which I posted elsewhere on this forum, and we've had a few of his supporters spam this forum.

I'm happy to report however, that most of Asia is pretty sane in regards to this topic.

 

[Shemjaza]

My understanding of Creationism out side of the United States is that most of it comes from Islam. Their views however are closer to Intelligent Design because they believe that random actions do not occur.

[FONT=&quot]Sadly my country gave the world Ken Ham.[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]There are a number of creationist groups active in Australia, they really don’t appear to have anything like the force they have in the states though.[/FONT]

 

[The Nihilist]

There's a big hoopla in Kenya right now about a museum exhibit on evolution. Evangelical Christians are, as usual, making a big fuss about it.

 

[Bombila]

There are certainly creationists around the Maritimes, but they are mostly over 80, and no one is trying to have it taught in schools. Frankly I hadn't realized there could be a problem until Stockwell (Doris) Day (western Conservative politician) admitted to believing people walked with dinosaurs.

 

[RedAndy]

I've only met one creationist in the UK, and everyone I've mentioned it to thinks he's barking. Evolution is pretty much accepted.

Count yourself lucky.

I personally know a fairly large number of Creationists (certainly in double figures), all of whom attend my college. People I talk to don't think they're nuts - a lot of responses I hear are along the lines of "well, evolution is just a theory, after all." My plan is to formally debate one of them at some point and demonstrate just how flawed their worldview is.

 

[PKJ]

Anybody in or near Toronto that could tell me if Denyse O'Leary has a big impact there?

Also, she just co-wrote a book with a teacher from my University I suspected of beeing a "Wedge Document executant" as well (he did research using grants from the Templeton foundation).

Miss O'Leary is very proud of that book and talks about it all the time. < http://post-darwinist.blogspot.com/ >

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

One of my friends is a creationist. But I don't talk about evolution with her any more because I find it deeply disturbing. Also off-topic are why alcohol is not inherently evil, how homosexuality is neither chosen nor wrong and the fact that not everyone that takes drugs is evil.

IIRC, one of the big businessmen funding a few of Tony Blair's city academies (don't get me started... ) has caused a bit of controversy by having creationism taught alongside evolution. But I could be wrong. Some group sent a pack about teaching creationism to science departments in all the schools, though. Thankfully the government have said the schools aren't allowed to teach creationism.

I'm so glad not to live in America...I think I might go insane. :o I'm lucky enough to live in a country where, if a major politician believed in creationism she would be laughed at by everyone.

peace

 

[RedAndy]

IIRC, one of the big businessmen funding a few of Tony Blair's city academies (don't get me started... ) has caused a bit of controversy by having creationism taught alongside evolution. But I could be wrong.

Indeed. Sir Peter Vardy, car salesman and millionaire, has Young-Earth Creationism taught in his schools. I read about this in The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, who seems to suggest that Creationism is taught instead of evolution, not alongside - although I could be wrong about this.

Some group sent a pack about teaching creationism to science departments in all the schools, though. Thankfully the government have said the schools aren't allowed to teach creationism.

I may have missed the government discouraging the teaching of Creationism, especially since they are in support of Vardy's city academies. The pack about Creationism I did pick up on, however - again Richard Dawkins has responded by pushing for the publication of outwardly atheistic textbooks!

 

[uberd00b]

IIRC, one of the big businessmen funding a few of Tony Blair's city academies (don't get me started... ) has caused a bit of controversy by having creationism taught alongside evolution. But I could be wrong.

Nope, you have it right. I worked with a girl who attended Emanuelle College in the north-east. Naturally I had to ask if she'd been taught creationism, and indeed she had (she laughed about it).

She is currently studying For a BSc in biology in Newcastle, so I'm thnking Mr. Vardis school failed that time.