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I do not believe in "Black Lives Matter." I believe in "All Lives Matter."
I do not believe in "Politically Correct Speech." I believe in "Free Speech."

Don't get me wrong. Speaking with no sense of your audience is not "loving" in the Christian sense. We must show regard for the feelings of others.

But when it comes to demands being made by people who want to control the narrative, I think a person should construct and devise his or her own narrative. We should be as sensitive to the message we are to bring as we are to how much the people might like that message.

We are to be witnessing to the Kingdom of God. It is not a message that is "liked" by the non-Christian world, or even by many so-called "Liberal Christians." But if we are to "obey God rather than Man," then we must be faithful to the message.

God loves all of mankind--not just Black People. And as Christians our message should be: "All Lives matter, Black, White, or any other Color."

And we should not craft our speech to conform with the message others want us to deliver. In the most compassionate, understanding way possible, we must speak the "truth in love."

In my experience political correctness often isn't shared evenly. Especially the more mania someone has about being politically correct. Overtime this emboldens groups that are socially acceptable not to be politically incorrect towards emboldened to be politically incorrect towards groups that are not socially acceptable until they eventually are.

Which as a society I sadly see us heading towards.
 
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I do not believe in "Black Lives Matter." I believe in "All Lives Matter."
I do not believe in "Politically Correct Speech." I believe in "Free Speech."
These statements are definitionally contradictory.

The things you say you don't believe in are included in the things which you say you do believe in. It's not possible to believe in the bigger thing but not the things it includes by definition.
 
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Saying "All Lives Matter" is fine, in isolation. Saying "all Lives Matter" as a response to "Black Lives Matter" is not fine. It's a deliberate attempt to diminish a specific issue applying to a specific community through over-broadening.
It's "not fine" with you. But it is, in fact, my intention to respond to "Black Lives Matter" with "All Lives Matter." I have every intention of crossing out a radical message with a more humanistic one.

As I've said repeatedly in this discussion, the issue I have with Black Lives Matter has nothing to do with having no concern for Blacks in their bad American experience. Rather, it has to do with the methodology of this movement, which is to use anarchy, rioting, burning and pillaging, along with violence done to human beings completely innocent of prejudice or racism, including White People and other races who had nothing to do with the American period in which Blacks were persecutted.

I have shown every concern for what Black Americans have gone through. I have relatives and friends who are Black, and have no interest in doing further harm to them. I realize that memories of abuse last a long time, even across generations, and have after-effects, as well.

"Black Lives Matter" is a euphemism for a kind of war against the system, which is being incited and used by anarchists and socialists who need to break down the system in order to replace it with something that they want to install. That is what I oppose--a revolution inspired by radicals such as the Bolsheviks did early in the 20th century.
Black Lives Matter is a slogan that is a response to the perception (right or wrong) that Africa-Americans receive unequal treatment from the law enforcement and are killed at a disproportionate rate compared to other racial groups in the US. Saying "All Lives Matter"as a response to this just serves to deny the existence of the specific problem, an replace it with an essentially meaningless counter-phrase.
Blacks are disproportionately in prison, which is something that certainly needs addressing, though not by rioting. They are in prison not out of persecution, but due to the fact Blacks were abused in the past, have had their family structure destroyed, and have had their education and better paying jobs taken away from them. So is it surprising the broken social conditions lead to more crime, resulting in a higher percentage of imprisonment?

But yes, it needs to be addressed, and I think on the Democrat side, and even some on the Republican side, this has been in process of being done. Rioting isn't going to speed it up, in my view.

And so, "All Lives Matter." Blacks have zero right to abuse White People or Business People or just anybody they want to randomly inflict their rage on. I highly respect Black Americans who work within the system to make changes--even those who have made tremendous sacrifices of patience and health, along with suffering misunderstanding.

I'm done with this one. One thing Black Christians should *not* do is sacrifice their Christianity and their spirituality for their race. They must offer to God true worship, which is the offering of their bodies as a living sacrifice to do His will, to imitate His love, and to demonstrate a true obedience. Those who do so will be rewarded, not just in the next life, but also in this life, because God will be with them.
 
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It's "not fine" with you. But it is, in fact, my intention to respond to "Black Lives Matter" with "All Lives Matter." I have every intention of crossing out a radical message with a more humanistic one.

Which is the issue here. The "humanistic one" is fine, in isolation.

But, when a section of the community has issues specific to them, broadening it out to everyone serves just to minimise (if not erase) their specific complaint.

Particularly when you start to ascribe all sorts of characteristics to the first group. According to your own posts in this thread, BLM want to:

Take away your rights
Commit violence to correct injustice
Think other people's needs should take a back seat to their own
Promote racial division
Are in favor of those who've been violent
Want to take vengeance on a society because of past injustice
Create a divide between all Blacks and all Whites

You also think they are filled with hatred and hate you country.

This is just culture-war grievance mongering.

As I've said repeatedly in this discussion, the issue I have with Black Lives Matter has nothing to do with having no concern for Blacks in their bad American experience. Rather, it has to do with the methodology of this movement, which is to use anarchy, rioting, burning and pillaging, along with violence done to human beings completely innocent of prejudice or racism, including White People and other races who had nothing to do with the American period in which Blacks were persecutted.

Interesting that use of the past tense there: "persecutted".

The 2023 FBI hate crime data shows that African-Americans suffered ~51% of hate crimes driven by race/ethnicity/ancestry. This is despite them only making up 14% of the population.

The problem is likely vastly worse than that, as hate crime under-reporting is highest in communities where there is a mistrust of the police and access to legal services. And, guess which community has some of the lowest rates of trust in the police and worst legal access?

I have shown every concern for what Black Americans have gone through. I have relatives and friends who are Black, and have no interest in doing further harm to them. I realize that memories of abuse last a long time, even across generations, and have after-effects, as well.

You don't appear to have exhibited any concerns here. And, the 'I have a black friend' card really isn't necessary here (it's sort of telling on yourself).

"Black Lives Matter" is a euphemism for a kind of war against the system, which is being incited and used by anarchists and socialists who need to break down the system in order to replace it with something that they want to install. That is what I oppose--a revolution inspired by radicals such as the Bolsheviks did early in the 20th century.

Ah, it's just wild conspiracy nonsense then. I just need 'Cultural Maxism', 'Antifa' and 'Woke' in the somewhere.

Anarchists and socialists pose about 0% of a threat to the current US social order. They're lest impactful combined than the NRA, the Heritage Foundation or a couple of random billionaires.

Blacks are disproportionately in prison, which is something that certainly needs addressing, though not by rioting. They are in prison not out of persecution, but due to the fact Blacks were abused in the past, have had their family structure destroyed, and have had their education and better paying jobs taken away from them. So is it surprising the broken social conditions lead to more crime, resulting in a higher percentage of imprisonment?

But yes, it needs to be addressed, and I think on the Democrat side, and even some on the Republican side, this has been in process of being done. Rioting isn't going to speed it up, in my view.

Rioting occurred in a small proportion of BLM protests.

Data published by the Crowd Counting Collective on protests from May 2020 to June 2021, found "94% of protests involved no participant arrests, 97.9% involved no participant injuries, 98.6% involved no injuries to police, and 96.7% involved no property damage".

Data from Armed Conflict Location & Event Data is very similar. They found that from May 2020 to September 2021 "94% of all pro-BLM demonstrations have been peaceful, with 6% involving reports of violence, clashes with police, vandalism, looting, or other destructive activity".

Further to this, the main indicator of whether violence/destructive activity was going to occur during a BLM protest was the presence of counter-protestors and various accelerationist/anti-government groups. When these agitators showed up or infiltrated BLM protests, 26% of protests saw violence or destruction.

For instance various Boogaloo Boi groups were found to have attended about 760 BM rallies. 10% of those ended up with a group member being arrested for violence.

And so, "All Lives Matter." Blacks have zero right to abuse White People or Business People or just anybody they want to randomly inflict their rage on. I highly respect Black Americans who work within the system to make changes--even those who have made tremendous sacrifices of patience and health, along with suffering misunderstanding.

Would anti-racism advertisements during prime time football be 'within the system'? What about quite anti-racism displays by football players? What about a sign in the end zone? Or are those "try[ing] to control my speech" or "trying to impose their own narrative"?
 
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Stating my view that the slogan "Black Lives Matter" is associated with "violence" is a fact. I do view it that way, and the rioting seems to indicate that it's true. In any case, I'm not imposing my view on you--I'm just expressing my own view.
I’m sure that any persons who engaged in lawful protests wouldn’t be offended that their expressions of free-speech and freedom to peaceably assemble for the redress of grievances doesn’t meet with your approval.
It is, after all, a free country.
 
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Which is the issue here. The "humanistic one" is fine, in isolation.

But, when a section of the community has issues specific to them, broadening it out to everyone serves just to minimise (if not erase) their specific complaint.

Particularly when you start to ascribe all sorts of characteristics to the first group. According to your own posts in this thread, BLM want to:

Take away your rights
Commit violence to correct injustice
Think other people's needs should take a back seat to their own
Promote racial division
Are in favor of those who've been violent
Want to take vengeance on a society because of past injustice
Create a divide between all Blacks and all Whites

You also think they are filled with hatred and hate you country.

This is just culture-war grievance mongering.



Interesting that use of the past tense there: "persecutted".

The 2023 FBI hate crime data shows that African-Americans suffered ~51% of hate crimes driven by race/ethnicity/ancestry. This is despite them only making up 14% of the population.

The problem is likely vastly worse than that, as hate crime under-reporting is highest in communities where there is a mistrust of the police and access to legal services. And, guess which community has some of the lowest rates of trust in the police and worst legal access?



You don't appear to have exhibited any concerns here. And, the 'I have a black friend' card really isn't necessary here (it's sort of telling on yourself).



Ah, it's just wild conspiracy nonsense then. I just need 'Cultural Maxism', 'Antifa' and 'Woke' in the somewhere.

Anarchists and socialists pose about 0% of a threat to the current US social order. They're lest impactful combined than the NRA, the Heritage Foundation or a couple of random billionaires.



Rioting occurred in a small proportion of BLM protests.

Data published by the Crowd Counting Collective on protests from May 2020 to June 2021, found "94% of protests involved no participant arrests, 97.9% involved no participant injuries, 98.6% involved no injuries to police, and 96.7% involved no property damage".

Data from Armed Conflict Location & Event Data is very similar. They found that from May 2020 to September 2021 "94% of all pro-BLM demonstrations have been peaceful, with 6% involving reports of violence, clashes with police, vandalism, looting, or other destructive activity".

Further to this, the main indicator of whether violence/destructive activity was going to occur during a BLM protest was the presence of counter-protestors and various accelerationist/anti-government groups. When these agitators showed up or infiltrated BLM protests, 26% of protests saw violence or destruction.

For instance various Boogaloo Boi groups were found to have attended about 760 BM rallies. 10% of those ended up with a group member being arrested for violence.



Would anti-racism advertisements during prime time football be 'within the system'? What about quite anti-racism displays by football players? What about a sign in the end zone? Or are those "try[ing] to control my speech" or "trying to impose their own narrative"?

I find it interesting that many on the right, such as RandyPNW, despite the statistics, view all BLM protests as being riots. Yet, when it comes to what happened on 1/6, they are frequently quick to point out that it was a small minority of those that attended that stole, committed acts of vandalism (such as breaking windows to get in the Capitol building), or committed violent acts. In fact, I've had some on the right who include everyone who entered in the Capitol (a couple of thousand) as being a small percentage of the 50,000 who attended Trump's rally/election protest that day.

Odd that they have no issue seeing that a small percentage doesn't define the group when it comes to MAGA but, because at a few percent of Black Lives Matter protests there were a few rioters, then all BLM protests were riots and BLM was responsible.
 
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I find it interesting that many on the right, such as RandyPNW, despite the statistics, view all BLM protests as being riots. Yet, when it comes to what happened on 1/6, they are frequently quick to point out that it was a small minority of those that attended that stole, committed acts of vandalism (such as breaking windows to get in the Capitol building), or committed violent acts. In fact, I've had some on the right who include everyone who entered in the Capitol (a couple of thousand) as being a small percentage of the 50,000 who attended Trump's rally/election protest that day.

Odd that they have no issue seeing that a small percentage doesn't define the group when it comes to MAGA but, because at a few percent of Black Lives Matter protests there were a few rioters, then all BLM protests were riots and BLM was responsible.
That's a feature, not a bug.
 
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This is a very silly way to react to the phrase "Black lives matter"
Because the phrase isn't "Only black lives matter" therefore you don't need to have a knee jerk reaction and rush to "All lives matter"

If instead you were able to listen and perhaps be inquisitive then hearing the phrase "Black lives matter" being spoken by blacks, ought to make you think, why are black's pointing out the obvious "that black lives matter"? We know this already don't we?
What has happened to make them feel that in society "Black lives don't matter"?
That's sad isn't it, that they feel that way.
It would actually be a problem if what they are thinking is true.
It's actually a problem that they are thinking that way at all, because everyone should think that their lives matter.

Let's try to work out why they are saying that in society it seems currently that "Black lives don't matter".

Hmm, it looks like there are several instances where police are able to kill unarmed black people and not face any severe repercussions.
And yet if a similar situation happens where a white person is killed by police, the police do face severe repercussions.
What's going on here? This is horrible. Maybe we need to promote the idea that Black lives matter, because it seems the system has forgotten this.
Do we need to promote that "All lives matter"?
Well, hmm, it seems the problem isn't that society is not worried when a white person is killed or when a white child is abducted, gets all over the media, manhunts for years, severe repercussions. But the problem is when a black person is killed or when a black child is abducted, very little media attention, only short manhunt, and seems to be very little repurcussions. Yes, we need to remind people that "Black lives matter too"
I understand what you're saying, and I don't disagree with it. However, when a white person is killed by police, there's pretty much the same general non-reaction.
 
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I understand what you're saying, and I don't disagree with it. However, when a white person is killed by police, there's pretty much the same general non-reaction.

The rate of fatal police shootings in the United States shows large differences based on ethnicity. Among Black Americans, the rate of fatal police shootings between 2015 and December 2024 stood at 6.1 per million of the population per year, while for white Americans, the rate stood at 2.4 fatal police shootings per million of the population per year.
 
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The rate of fatal police shootings in the United States shows large differences based on ethnicity. Among Black Americans, the rate of fatal police shootings between 2015 and December 2024 stood at 6.1 per million of the population per year, while for white Americans, the rate stood at 2.4 fatal police shootings per million of the population per year.
First, your post doesn't address the point I made at all: That there is no more outcry over police shooting whites than there is over police shooting blacks.

Second, rate counts, but actual numbers and circumstances also count. That basic rate count doesn't say anything about whether they are "unarmed" shootings or "scene of crime" shootings or anything else.
 
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It's "not fine" with you. But it is, in fact, my intention to respond to "Black Lives Matter" with "All Lives Matter." I have every intention of crossing out a radical message with a more humanistic one.

As I've said repeatedly in this discussion, the issue I have with Black Lives Matter has nothing to do with having no concern for Blacks in their bad American experience. Rather, it has to do with the methodology of this movement, which is to use anarchy, rioting, burning and pillaging, along with violence done to human beings completely innocent of prejudice or racism, including White People and other races who had nothing to do with the American period in which Blacks were persecutted.

I have shown every concern for what Black Americans have gone through. I have relatives and friends who are Black, and have no interest in doing further harm to them. I realize that memories of abuse last a long time, even across generations, and have after-effects, as well.

"Black Lives Matter" is a euphemism for a kind of war against the system, which is being incited and used by anarchists and socialists who need to break down the system in order to replace it with something that they want to install. That is what I oppose--a revolution inspired by radicals such as the Bolsheviks did early in the 20th century.

Blacks are disproportionately in prison, which is something that certainly needs addressing, though not by rioting. They are in prison not out of persecution, but due to the fact Blacks were abused in the past, have had their family structure destroyed, and have had their education and better paying jobs taken away from them. So is it surprising the broken social conditions lead to more crime, resulting in a higher percentage of imprisonment?

But yes, it needs to be addressed, and I think on the Democrat side, and even some on the Republican side, this has been in process of being done. Rioting isn't going to speed it up, in my view.

And so, "All Lives Matter." Blacks have zero right to abuse White People or Business People or just anybody they want to randomly inflict their rage on. I highly respect Black Americans who work within the system to make changes--even those who have made tremendous sacrifices of patience and health, along with suffering misunderstanding.

I'm done with this one. One thing Black Christians should *not* do is sacrifice their Christianity and their spirituality for their race. They must offer to God true worship, which is the offering of their bodies as a living sacrifice to do His will, to imitate His love, and to demonstrate a true obedience. Those who do so will be rewarded, not just in the next life, but also in this life, because God will be with them.
I share the majority of these sentiments, if not all. It is often why I feel compelled to share an overall view, and both sides of the story (as I know it) because I find that if you don't, people take their right or left view and go mad in a negative way with it.

But it isn't always the case with me. For instance, if I'm in a religious environment where I see people are, in my view and discernment, being pounded by legalism, and the guilt, condemnation, and shame that comes with it, I may only feel compelled to stress the new covenant and the love of God, while making a smaller reference not to abuse the grace of God.

It depends on the situation and how I feel compelled, but overall I feel that if one is just speaking generally without other variables, then one should try and bring an overall view as time, etc, permits. Leaders should especially try and do this, imo, knowing their position in society, human nature, and the madness that can ensue when you don't bring both sides to the round table.
 
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I share the majority of these sentiments, if not all. It is often why I feel compelled to share an overall view, and both sides of the story (as I know it) because I find that if you don't, people take their right or left view and go mad in a negative way with it.

But it isn't always the case with me. For instance, if I'm in a religious environment where I see people are, in my view and discernment, being pounded by legalism, and the guilt, condemnation, and shame that comes with it, I may only feel compelled to stress the new covenant and the love of God, while making a smaller reference not to abuse the grace of God.

It depends on the situation and how I feel compelled, but overall I feel that if one is just speaking generally without other variables, then one should try and bring an overall view as time, etc, permits. Leaders should especially try and do this, imo, knowing their position in society, human nature, and the madness that can ensue when you don't bring both sides to the round table.
There is a saying that goes,
One man's freedom fighter, is another man's terrorist.

Things that make you go hum.
 
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I wouldn't know why? The 1st point I made, which you accepted, is that we can have different views of something, and should not have someone try to impose their view on me.

Stating my view that the slogan "Black Lives Matter" is associated with "violence" is a fact.
But here's the thing. Its NOT a fact. It's still just an opinion you have and it is opinion that was cultivated by watching news on TV.... but not on a data driven reality.

again 93% of protests were peaceful. Whatever opinion you may have that fact, that piece of data cannot be massaged into something else because of what you saw on TV. You yourself indicate the media was using it for some nefarious purpose
I do view it that way, and the rioting seems to indicate that it's true. In any case, I'm not imposing my view on you--I'm just expressing my own view.
But twice you categorize your view as fact. I'm all for expressing views but one should be careful with calling things facts.
 
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I do not believe in "Black Lives Matter." I believe in "All Lives Matter."
Quick question: do you think black people who say black lives matter believe that other lives don't matter?
 
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This whole conversation centers around a false premise. The premise being that the US justice system is racist, which includes the police. It's been said that police are hunting down black people or that the Judges are racists. Statistics are trotted out with no context as if they are proof of it. This story is as old as the hills. I've participated in enough of these to know that the premise is completely false. And I'm not to argue again and provide the evidence again why it's false. There is no reason to.

BLM for the little man became a mantra based upon a false premise.

7% of protests turned in into riots that caused the deaths of far too many and resulted in thousands of injuries and billions in damages. And people want to toss out, well it was 93% that didn't. Well, 7% is actually a big number that caused far too many deaths and injuries and destruction. Can you imagine if 7% off planes crashed or 7% of police contacts resulted in unnecessary use of force incidents?

Afterall, all this BLM stuff happened when signicantly less than 1% of police contacts resulted is unnecessary use of force incidents.

7% is a large number and BLM was built on a false premise after a significant death.
 
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This whole conversation centers around a false premise. The premise being that the US justice system is racist, which includes the police. It's been said that police are hunting down black people or that the Judges are racists. Statistics are trotted out with no context as if they are proof of it. This story is as old as the hills. I've participated in enough of these to know that the premise is completely false. And I'm not to argue again and provide the evidence again why it's false. There is no reason to.

BLM for the little man became a mantra based upon a false premise.

7% of protests turned in into riots that caused the deaths of far too many and resulted in thousands of injuries and billions in damages. And people want to toss out, well it was 93% that didn't. Well, 7% is actually a big number that caused far too many deaths and injuries and destruction. Can you imagine if 7% off planes crashed or 7% of police contacts resulted in unnecessary use of force incidents?

Afterall, all this BLM stuff happened when signicantly less than 1% of police contacts resulted is unnecessary use of force incidents.

7% is a large number and BLM was built on a false premise after a significant death.
Unfortunately the evidence that BLM puts forward as evidence that black people experience prejudice by the justice system is met with:
1) But it's better than it used to be so keep schtum.
or
2) But white people also "experience this".

In regards to the first, well, that's it's own well to dive down but in regards to the second: The fact that these things happen to white people too does NOT mean that black people don't get targetted OR don't experience different treatment.
And then it will come back with data that black people commit more crimes without ever considering, for even a SECOND, that that data, in and of itself, may show a bias.

For example, when Trump's indiscretions with getting loans was laid bare, the overwhelming response from his supporters is that "all these guy do it". So here we had a tacit excuse for predominantly rich white guys breaking the law but nobody ENFORCING THE LAW.

Another example is if you compare the use of illegal drugs. Generally, the use of illicit drugs by race is pretty similar by rates. And yet strangely, black people are incarcerated at a MUCH greater level.

And wouldn't you know it. It's harder to get a job after you are convicted of a crime.....which leads to poverty which leads to.....


It's no surprise that where you put more cops, you will also see more crime. It's also no surprise that poverty contributes to crime rates.
 
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This whole conversation centers around a false premise. The premise being that the US justice system is racist, which includes the police. It's been said that police are hunting down black people or that the Judges are racists. Statistics are trotted out with no context as if they are proof of it. This story is as old as the hills. I've participated in enough of these to know that the premise is completely false. And I'm not to argue again and provide the evidence again why it's false. There is no reason to.

BLM for the little man became a mantra based upon a false premise.

7% of protests turned in into riots that caused the deaths of far too many and resulted in thousands of injuries and billions in damages. And people want to toss out, well it was 93% that didn't. Well, 7% is actually a big number that caused far too many deaths and injuries and destruction. Can you imagine if 7% off planes crashed or 7% of police contacts resulted in unnecessary use of force incidents?

Afterall, all this BLM stuff happened when signicantly less than 1% of police contacts resulted is unnecessary use of force incidents.

7% is a large number and BLM was built on a false premise after a significant death.

Your post seems to be a great example of what I stated here.
 
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Second, rate counts, but actual numbers and circumstances also count. That basic rate count doesn't say anything about whether they are "unarmed" shootings or "scene of crime" shootings or anything else.
Correct, but doesn't it concern you at all, that blacks are fatally shot much more than whites, even though blacks are a minority in your country?
Don't you think that should pique your interest? Doesn't that alarm you?

Do you just assume that blacks are violent and dangerous people and so it is expected that police are needing to shoot them?
Or do you think blacks are people just like any other race? So why are they being shot and killed by police in such disproportionally large numbers?

Do black lives even matter in USA?
 
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Correct, but doesn't it concern you at all, that blacks are fatally shot much more than whites, even though blacks are a minority in your country?
Don't you think that should pique your interest? Doesn't that alarm you?

Do you just assume that blacks are violent and dangerous people and so it is expected that police are needing to shoot them?
Or do you think blacks are people just like any other race? So why are they being shot and killed by police in such disproportionally large numbers?

Do black lives even matter in USA?
I'm an intelligence analyst...I don't leap to conclusions from one datum.

I'm going to wonder what is behind that statistic...what the real causes might be, and I'm always aware, as I frequently say: "There is always more than one thing happening."

The actual cause might not have anything even to do with the police.

But you're still deflecting from the point that people are no more upset over whites killed by police, even unjustly, than blacks unjustly killed by police.

And that is also something to wonder about. Why are Americans relatively unconcerned about anyone unjustly killed by police?
 
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Your post seems to be a great example of what I stated here.

Actually no, because i said nothing about J6. And the the information I provided is entirely accurate. Can you imagine if we had 100s of J6 protests around the US and 7% of them led to riots with the same results of BLM riots? You've seen the outrage, that one riot has produced with little damage a few injuries and no deaths produced.

Yet thousands of injuries, billions in damages and a multitude of deaths produces a "it wasn't that big a deal" from the left.

I before you wonder where I stand, I stand with zero riots. I don't support and never have supported anything that happened on J6. But Criminal Trespassing isn't rhe most serious of offenses. And I also don't think Trump should have pardoned those that assaulted officers.
 
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