Poisons

[Kenny'sID]

And since the Bible doesn't mention LSD, crack, or marijuana ...

That falls in the category of sorcery and maybe witchcraft. There is much more when the term "sorcery" is defined in Greek, but think "potions" for a good starting point. I think that includes smoking ciggs of which I just smoked one along with my "coffee". It might be months before I smoke another cig, if at all, but even the nicotine in my e-cig is a sin as far as I'm concerned...if it helps one get off ciggs, certainly a lessor of the 2 evils. All said and done, these are very serious sins unto death and they concern me greatly.

I mention my usage so you'll know this is not from a holier than thou point of view, it's just that I do it/have done it, so I've naturally researched it and have drawn those conclusions. I would still be an avid pot smoker if it weren't for the sin of sorcery.

That said, the only possible argument that could convince me nicotine is not a sin, is the same reason coffee/caffeine may not be a sin. They are both legal and God has his hands on the laws of the land. If one is a Christian, they'll have to decide that for themselves, if not, have fun, in a way I envy that choice, and in a way, I don't.

 

[AV1611VET]

If Jesus transformed water into grape juice at the marriage in Cana, why did the governor of the feast feel called upon to comment (approvingly) upon the quality of the wine? Couldn't he tell the difference?

I give up.

Why?

 

[lesliedellow]

I give up.

Why?

You can dream up your own get out clause. I am sure you will be able to come up with something.

 

[AV1611VET]

That falls in the category of sorcery and maybe witchcraft. There is much more when the term "sorcery" is defined in Greek, but think "potions" for a good starting point. I think that includes smoking ciggs of which I just smoked one along with my "coffee". It might be months before I smoke another cig, if at all, but even the nicotine in my e-cig is a sin as far as I'm concerned...if it helps one get off ciggs, certainly a lessor of the 2 evils. All said and done, these are very serious sins unto death and they concern me greatly.

I mention my usage so you'll know this is not from a holier than thou point of view, it's just that I do it/have done it, so I've naturally researched it and have drawn those conclusions. I would still be an avid pot smoker if it weren't for the sin of sorcery.

That said, the only possible argument that could convince me nicotine is not a sin, is the same reason coffee/caffeine may not be a sin. They are both legal and God has his hands on the laws of the land. If one is a Christian, they'll have to decide that for themselves, if not, have fun, in a way I envy that choice, and in a way, I don't.

Thank you for your testimony, brother.

As I understand it, the Nicotene hooks you, then the tar kills you.

(Someone please correct me if I'm wrong here.)

 

[lesliedellow]

All said and done, these are very serious sins unto death and they concern me greatly.

Seemingly it is not only Catholics who have to worry about all manner of mortal sins. When 1 John 5.16 talks about a sin unto death, it speaks of sin in the singular. It does not take much imagination to know what that sin might be - i.e. rejection of Christ.

 

[lesliedellow]

Thank you for your testimony, brother.

As I understand it, the Nicotene hooks you, then the tar kills you.

(Someone please correct me if I'm wrong here.)

Tobacco smoke contains 70 known carcenogens, as well as other such delights as methanol, carbon monoxide and cyanide.

 

[Kenny'sID]

(Someone please correct me if I'm wrong here.)

You are not.

Nicotine in itself, as I understand it is not poison, but it's usual vehicle is. But is doesn't matter if it'll kill us or not, the nicotine is a drug, and like narcotics, poison or not they are a sin for recreation. However, though not chemically a poison, God in his wisdom did choose to build a fail safe into things like narcotics which are a necessity at times... the addiction factor.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Seemingly it is not only Catholics who have to worry about all manner of mortal sins. When 1 John 5.16 talks about a sin unto death, it speaks of sin in the singular. It does not take much imagination to know what that sin might be - i.e. rejection of Christ.

I would call that a sin as well, but not sure of your entire point...are you saying rejection of Christ is the only sin unto death?

 

[lesliedellow]

I would call that a sin as well, but not sure of your entire point...are you saying rejection of Christ is the only sin unto death?

Yep. The means of salvation the New Testament sets forth could hardly be simpler. Put you faith in Christ, and you will be saved.

The Pharisees went around inventing all sorts of sins for themselves, so that they could then avoid them, but their "righteousness" didn't seem to impress Jesus.

 

[AV1611VET]

Seemingly it is not only Catholics who have to worry about all manner of mortal sins. When 1 John 5.16 talks about a sin unto death, it speaks of sin in the singular. It does not take much imagination to know what that sin might be - i.e. rejection of Christ.

1 John 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

A person, like Hezekiah did, can reach a "point of no return" in his life by continually sinning.

A point where God says, "Enough of that. Time to go."

Paul says not to bother praying for God to spare his life (since God has decreed otherwise).

 

[AV1611VET]

Put you faith in Christ, and you will be saved.

Unless reprobated elsewhere?

Or do I have a misunderstanding of Calvinism?

 

[Quid est Veritas?]

You are not.

Nicotine in itself, as I understand it is not poison, but it's usual vehicle is. But is doesn't matter if it'll kill us or not, the nicotine is a drug, and like narcotics, poison or not they are a sin for recreation. However, though not chemically a poison, God in his wisdom did choose to build a fail safe into things like narcotics which are a necessity at times... the addiction factor.

Actually, Nicotine activates Nicotinic receptors in the Autonomic nervous system contributing markedly to the negative cardiovascular effects of smoking.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Yep. The means of salvation the New Testament sets forth could hardly be simpler. Put you faith in Christ, and you will be saved.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

But as it always goes, Leslie, for those that choose not to believe that, it will be explained out of existence somehow, yet it is right there, and very clear for those that choose to believe it.

If not, I say the same to you as I did the Atheists in a prior post...in a way I envy you, in a way, I don't.

 

[lesliedellow]

Unless reprobated elsewhere?

Or do I have a misunderstanding of Calvinism?

You have a misunderstanding of Calvinism. No surprise there.

 

[AV1611VET]

You have a misunderstanding of Calvinism. No surprise there.

Didn't I ask you once if you were a supralapsarian?

If so, I don't remember your answer.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Actually, Nicotine activates Nicotinic receptors in the Autonomic nervous system contributing markedly to the negative cardiovascular effects of smoking.

That doesn't surprise me, but does that make it a poison per se? Too much stress can also have affects on the CV system, but it isn't poison. Then there is the amount it takes to do that...as in enough just nicotine can kill one, but it rarely happens. However if it is tagged as a poison because of that, I stand corrected, but I don't think it's just that simple.

 

[Kenny'sID]

You have a misunderstanding of Calvinism. No surprise there.

What I said had absolutely nothing to do with Calvinism. The term didn't even cross my mind...my comment only had to do with Gods word.

 

[lesliedellow]

But as it always goes, Leslie, for those that choose not to believe that, it will be explained out of existence somehow, yet it is right there, and very clear for those that choose to believe it.

If not, I say the same to you as I did the Atheists in a prior post...in a way I envy you, in a way, I don't.

The passage refers to a life which is in habitual violation of God's revealed will, and which certainly does not betray faith in him. But a sinner who places his faith in God will be saved, whereas somebody who fancies that his own righteousness will get him into heaven will not be saved. And, dreaming up a long list of "sins" to avoid smacks of an attempt at self righteousness.

 

[lesliedellow]

What I said had absolutely nothing to do with Calvinism. The term didn't even cross my mind...my comment only had to do with Gods word.

I was replying to AV.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

For years I had placed my faith in hundreds of peer-reviewed and tightly controlled trials and studies showing the safety and efficacy of these drugs. I spent years of my life studying them - all in vain!

Yes.
Sad.