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Pointless to Focus on Sin

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I do not disagree with you. I argue that sin should not be the focus, not that the Church should ignore sin.
 
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And through whom will the Holy Spirit speak?

What kind of "finding" and "loving" is this? Does not love teach us not to do evil? Do we not find Christ by forsaking this world? Teach me how to love God and still sin, if you can.

Us, of course. The rocks if He so chooses. Anything. We show the them love through our actions. We tell them about Christ and how much He loves us. We introduce them to Scripture. God will handle the salvation part. When a person learns to love and receive love, they have no need for sin.
 
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The emphasis should be on learning what Christ's words mean, and having his doctrine. That is so important, and the most lacking.

He summarizes His doctrine well: Love God. Love your neighbor.
 
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The Bible is not what Jesus left us when He ascended to heaven. He left us the church He created. That church is still here, being guided and protected by the holy Spirit.

Jesus left us the Holy Spirit. The Church is the product of Jesus's love. The Church is not restricted to the Catholic Church. The Church is a living, breathing body of believers that crosses denominations.
 
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Define widely accepted...
 
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What do you think my approach to sin is?
So many churches spend all their time focusing on sin and believers shouldn't sin. It's a pointless focus."

Jesus didn't focus on sin and what sins not to commit. Why do we focus on it?

Our ministry should have one focus: love. Let the world know we are Christians by our love, not our rulebooks. If we love God and love one another, we will detest sin and be a lot happier.

Jesus didn't condemn the world and neither should we. Stop focusing on sin, and start loving like Jesus."

All of the above?
 
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I do not disagree with you. I argue that sin should not be the focus, not that the Church should ignore sin.

I STRONGLY recommend reading, studying, and KNOWING Scripture on a daily basis. The Holy Bible has MUCH to say about sin and the consequences of it. If sin was not one of the main concerns, then the Holy Bible would not have used it to justify sending the Lord Jesus Christ to die on the cross for us.

The following Scriptures applies to ALL OF US, INCLUDING MYSELF!!!

31 So Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “If you continue to obey my teaching, you are truly my followers. 32 Then you will know the truth. And the truth will make you free.”
~John 8:31-32 (ICB)

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~John 14:15-31 (ICB)

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~2 Timothy 4:1-8 (ICB)

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~2 Peter 2:1-22 (ICB)

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~2 Timothy 3:1-9 (ICB)

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Does truth speak to heart of the matter?

Are we able to teach these things to others who are willing to listen at least?

Faith comes by hearing and hearing of the word of God or something like that.

Just read these things and what do they speak to you in your heart?

It’s been cut down a little bit but just read and you’ll see we are all guilty of these things, but if we focus on the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ these things will melt away, from us, though still being there.

Every day we make a choice, if you are going to teach on sin, teach on this for others to see what we as humans are capable of and what happens when take the focus on our selves and place our eyes and mind on heavenly things.

There many more of these types of things spelt of in Colossians 3: where tells us even more of what happens when we take our eyes of the flesh and on the spirit,


“The sinful nature wants to do evil, which is just the opposite of what the Spirit wants. And the Spirit gives us desires that are the opposite of what the sinful nature desires.

These two forces are constantly fighting each other, so you are not free to carry out your good intentions.

But when you are directed by the Spirit, you are not under obligation to the law of Moses.

When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, the results are very clear: sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures, idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division, envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these.

Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.

There is no law against these things!

Those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed the passions and desires of their sinful nature to his cross and crucified them there.

Since we are living by the Spirit, let us follow the Spirit’s leading in every part of our lives. Let us not become conceited, or provoke one another, or be jealous of one another.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:17-26‬ ‭NLT‬‬
Galatians 5:17-26
 
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A lot of people question themselves based on them being taught they are not good enough for God, and the beat themselves over it because of it, please understand that.

People will focus on sin so much they miss out on the joys of Christ Jesus and the fact he loved them just as they were yet many rejected him, God loves and cares about everyone.

No matter what place they are in their lives, now back in the New Testament age that once was things were a little bit different and things need to be kept in context and really explained while going through.

The truth is God does love as you are right now in and through all of your mistakes and desires to have a relationship with you and to talk and pray and love him, and there are so many treasures to find in the Bible about this love for you that He has given freely, just to look at Jesus Christ the Son of God, who died for you.

Look at how God seen his son die for you yet raised him up again because of it.

He is going to do the same for you because of your belief, trust, and God given faith.

Don’t trust human wisdom, trust in God and his wisdom, spiritual understanding and in knowing Gods will.

Grow in knowledge, grow in spiritual understanding and grow in wisdom that is Christ Jesus, the Lord.
 
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"8/25/05 From YahuShua HaMashiach, Our Lord and Savior
The Word of The Lord Spoken to Timothy
For The Lord’s Little Flock, and For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear

Thus says The Lord: It is the penitent man who shall know God, and penitent you must be; die to yourselves daily. Cast off the skin of this world and walk with Me as I am, and not as you would have Me be.
Beloved ones, do you long to obey? Then obey. Do you wish to stay clean? Then stay clean. Doubt is your enemy, doubt is a stone of stumbling at your feet. For I tell you the truth, one whose faith has come to completion, having received the full revelation of who I am, will not sin. For only the face of The Holy One is before their eyes.
Beloved ones, only One is without sin, The Son of Man. Yet the desire to sin is still within you, and now also The Truth, and so the battle rages. Therefore, beware. For doubt leads to disobedience, and to disobey God is sin, and the penalty of sin is death. Yet I have overcome death, having written your name in the Book of Life from the very foundation of the world. What is left then? Only the death of sin itself, and the passing away of death.
Beloved, cast off your sins, depart quickly from temptation, and to the accuser turn a deaf ear. For I tell you the truth, evil has lost its grip on the redeemed... Therefore hear My words, and also do them; give heed to My speech, and embrace all I have given you; drink deeply from this cup, and be created anew, says The Lord your Redeemer."
 

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I'm not sure why you believe that to be counter to what Jesus taught.

Matthew 22:36-40: 36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
 
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God did not send Jesus because of sin. He sent Jesus because of love. Jesus very clearly stated that.
 
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God did not send Jesus because of sin. He sent Jesus because of love. Jesus very clearly stated that.

Please provide at least two or three pieces of Scripture to back that claim up. Please and thank you.
 
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Please provide at least two or three pieces of Scripture to back that claim up. Please and thank you.

Straight from Jesus's mouth:

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16

He literally says that God gave His son because He loves the world.
 
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Straight from Jesus's mouth:

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16

He literally says that God gave His son because He loves the world.

My advice: Try to quote the ENTIRE passage instead of random verses, preferably with links to the sources. Context is EVERYTHING. Otherwise, it WILL be taken as cherry-picking,[1][2] especially in the face of overwhelming evidence against your claim. If anyone resorts to dishonesty in spreading God's truth, that only amounts to Pious Fraud[6][7] and is condemned by Scripture (Luke 16:1-15, Proverbs 6:16-19, Romans 3:7-8).

REMEMBER: Everyone on this website has access to Bibles too.[3][4][5]


~John 3:1-21 (ICB)

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Based on the ENTIRE CONTEXT of this passage, why did God send His only Begotten Son to die on the cross for us?

What makes us guilty and evil? Why or why not?

Again, please back up your claims with at least two or three pieces of Scripture. Otherwise, I am going to walk away from this conversation. Please and thank you.
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On May 1, 2021, at roughly 12:10 AM Eastern Time, I have added Scripture to these disclaimers, and am planning to continue doing so (John 13:1-17, Luke 16:1-15, Matthew 7:13-29). My apologies, I am still learning because I am a flawed human being who is predisposed towards selfishness.

On April 10, 2021, at roughly 12:30 AM Eastern Time, this post has been cleaned up to improve the quality of writing, and to remove all potentially offensive language breaking CF and Biblical rules. My apologies, I am still learning because I am a flawed human being who is predisposed towards selfishness.
 
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