Pointless posts.

[KagomeShuko]

I'm blind without my glasses, and have been wearing them since 7th grade. I'm not able to have contacts, and wouldn't like them, anyways....good thing, huh? Nevertheless, my new eye doctor still tries to sell me on contacts. I keep saying, "But I can't wear them!" He looks in my file, and says, "Oh yeah!" .... lol

I can wear them and I like them, but right now, I've just been in the mood for wearing my glasses.

Stein Auf!
Bridget

 

[KagomeShuko]

So, why am I asking about Methodist doctrines? No big worries, I'm Lutheran, but I heard that a local methodist church may be losing their youth minister soon, so. . .

Stein Auf!
Bridget

 

[pastel]

So, why am I asking about Methodist doctrines? No big worries, I'm Lutheran, but I heard that a local methodist church may be losing their youth minister soon, so. . .

Stein Auf!
Bridget

Something about John Wesley. I don't know much about Methodist doctrines, but I have a couple of friends who are Methodists. We have a Methodist church downtown with a woman minister. That would feel odd, I think, but having never been to a church service with a woman minister....well, it would take some getting used to, I guess. I'll never know, because I'll never go! haha...I like our Lutheran church too much.

 

[KagomeShuko]

Something about John Wesley. I don't know much about Methodist doctrines, but I have a couple of friends who are Methodists. We have a Methodist church downtown with a woman minister. That would feel odd, I think, but having never been to a church service with a woman minister....well, it would take some getting used to, I guess. I'll never know, because I'll never go! haha...I like our Lutheran church too much.

LOL, well, I'm ELCA. . .and we've had only one male minister since I've been at the church. . .so. . .I know what it's like to have male and female ministers.

Stein Auf!
Bridget

 

[pastel]

LOL, well, I'm ELCA. . .and we've had only one male minister since I've been at the church. . .so. . .I know what it's like to have male and female ministers.

Stein Auf!
Bridget

I don't think LCMS does that. However, I don't believe there is anything wrong with it. We had a great lady leader in our mult-denominational weekly Bible study called Bible Study Fellowship years ago, and she was super. So I know women can handle the job.

 

[SPALATIN]

I don't think LCMS does that. However, I don't believe there is anything wrong with it. We had a great lady leader in our mult-denominational weekly Bible study called Bible Study Fellowship years ago, and she was super. So I know women can handle the job.

Charlene,

I don't doubt that women can handle the job as my mother was a teaching leader of the very same organization you mention. She was involved with BSF for over 20 years. Now ask your Pastor what he thinks of BSF and then ask him what the LCMS stand on BSF is.

As for women as ministers I look to Paul's letters to the Corinthians and Timothy as my proof-text. Regardless of the equality of today between Men and Women, Paul specifically stated that the reason for not allowing a woman to have authority over a man was due to the order of creation and not because she couldn't handle the job. One of Paul's good friends and acquaintances was Priscilla. I am sure that she would have been more than qualified to do what Paul did in many areas, but she did not and the only time we hear of her getting involved in a situation is in the rebuke of Apollos.

We can talk all day about how women are equally capable of doing what a man can do (and some might argue that they can do it better), but the point is creative order not capability.

Scott

 

[KagomeShuko]

Sight from my backyard. . .

Stein Auf!
Bridget

 

[Phoebe]

Have you gotten any snow down in the south? The ice storm went south of us, thanks to a nice little arctic blast. There was a tornado touch- down near my brother's town.

 

[Theophorus]

Here is one called the Belief-o-matic.

My results:
1. Eastern Orthodox (100%)
2. Roman Catholic (100%)
3. Orthodox Quaker (92%)
4. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (90%)
5. Seventh Day Adventist (90%)
6. Hinduism (81%)
7. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (74%)
8. Jehovah's Witness (67%)
9. Orthodox Judaism (66%)
10. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (58%)
11. Jainism (53%)
12. Islam (52%)
13. Sikhism (50%)
14. Liberal Quakers (50%)
15. Bahá'í Faith (49%)
16. Theravada Buddhism (44%)
17. Mahayana Buddhism (43%)
18. Unitarian Universalism (39%)
19. Reform Judaism (26%)
20. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (21%)
21. Taoism (20%)
22. New Age (18%)
23. Neo-Pagan (17%)
24. Nontheist (14%)
25. Secular Humanism (12%)
26. New Thought (11%)
27. Scientology (9%)


I am happy that Scientology finshed below even Secular Humanism.

 

[KagomeShuko]

Have you gotten any snow down in the south? The ice storm went south of us, thanks to a nice little arctic blast. There was a tornado touch- down near my brother's town.

No snow here. . .on Christmas, heard there was some in the area, but it wasn't enough to stay on the ground or anything. . .but it wasn't here for long, either. Some people were lucky enough to see it - not me, but that's okay.

Stein Auf!
Bridget

 

[KagomeShuko]

Here is one called the Belief-o-matic.

My results:
1. Eastern Orthodox (100%)
2. Roman Catholic (100%)
3. Orthodox Quaker (92%)
4. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (90%)
5. Seventh Day Adventist (90%)
6. Hinduism (81%)
7. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (74%)
8. Jehovah's Witness (67%)
9. Orthodox Judaism (66%)
10. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (58%)
11. Jainism (53%)
12. Islam (52%)
13. Sikhism (50%)
14. Liberal Quakers (50%)
15. Bahá'í Faith (49%)
16. Theravada Buddhism (44%)
17. Mahayana Buddhism (43%)
18. Unitarian Universalism (39%)
19. Reform Judaism (26%)
20. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (21%)
21. Taoism (20%)
22. New Age (18%)
23. Neo-Pagan (17%)
24. Nontheist (14%)
25. Secular Humanism (12%)
26. New Thought (11%)
27. Scientology (9%)


I am happy that Scientology finshed below even Secular Humanism.

I always get the oddest results for these things. . even if I try to get a certain result by looking at doctrines and matching them. . .it never seems to work. .

1. Orthodox Quaker (100%) 2. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (87%) 3. Seventh Day Adventist (84%) 4. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (82%) 5. Liberal Quakers (71%) 6. Eastern Orthodox (71%) 7. Roman Catholic (71%) 8. Unitarian Universalism (56%) 9. Hinduism (50%) 10. Reform Judaism (49%) 11. Theravada Buddhism (48%) 12. Mahayana Buddhism (47%) 13. Bahá'í Faith (42%) 14. Orthodox Judaism (41%) 15. Sikhism (38%) 16. New Age (37%) 17. Taoism (37%) 18. Islam (37%) 19. Neo-Pagan (37%) 20. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (36%) 21. New Thought (32%) 22. Secular Humanism (31%) 23. Jainism (30%) 24. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (29%) 25. Jehovah's Witness (28%) 26. Scientology (27%) 27. Nontheist (26%)

Stein Auf!
Bridget

 

[pastel]

Charlene,

I don't doubt that women can handle the job as my mother was a teaching leader of the very same organization you mention. She was involved with BSF for over 20 years. Now ask your Pastor what he thinks of BSF and then ask him what the LCMS stand on BSF is.

As for women as ministers I look to Paul's letters to the Corinthians and Timothy as my proof-text. Regardless of the equality of today between Men and Women, Paul specifically stated that the reason for not allowing a woman to have authority over a man was due to the order of creation and not because she couldn't handle the job. One of Paul's good friends and acquaintances was Priscilla. I am sure that she would have been more than qualified to do what Paul did in many areas, but she did not and the only time we hear of her getting involved in a situation is in the rebuke of Apollos.

We can talk all day about how women are equally capable of doing what a man can do (and some might argue that they can do it better), but the point is creative order not capability.

Scott

Scott,
I really don't care what my Pastor thinks about BSF, as I attended that Bible study long before becoming a Lutheran. As I have stated many times here on this board I was in membership in other churches before finding Grace Lutheran (LCMS) as "the" church for me. Please do not lecture me, either, about what Paul stated in Corinthians, as I know very well what it says. I am saying this is pleasantly as possible, but this particular Scripture is completely taken out of context many times just for this argument. Taking it in this way usually means you have to throw out many other verses of the Bible that contradict that notion. I won't debate it here, however one of these days I plan on writing up a Bible study on this very topic. If the Bible doesn't agree with itself, then we have misinterpreted it.

I know you mean well, and I'm not angry. I've been in Bible study for many years. I'm not exactly a dummy when it comes to knowledge of Scripture.

Thanks,
Charlene

 

[KagomeShuko]

Scott,
I really don't care what my Pastor thinks about BSF, as I attended that Bible study long before becoming a Lutheran. As I have stated many times here on this board I was in membership in other churches before finding Grace Lutheran (LCMS) as "the" church for me. Please do not lecture me, either, about what Paul stated in Corinthians, as I know very well what it says. I am saying this is pleasantly as possible, but this particular Scripture is completely taken out of context many times just for this argument. Taking it in this way usually means you have to throw out many other verses of the Bible that contradict that notion. I won't debate it here, however one of these days I plan on writing up a Bible study on this very topic. If the Bible doesn't agree with itself, then we have misinterpreted it.

I know you mean well, and I'm not angry. I've been in Bible study for many years. I'm not exactly a dummy when it comes to knowledge of Scripture.

Thanks,
Charlene

When you get it done, I'd love to see your Bible study!

Stein Auf!
Bridget

 

[KagomeShuko]

hehe. .I just took the um, "crazy super awesome cool Luther quiz" Lotar created. . .even if he did cross the tiber, still a great guy! Yes, I did miss one. . I read the questions wrong OOOPS! LOL

although, some might say coffee and doughnuts! LOL

I think Lotar is hiding and obsession with scratch and sniff stickers!

Stein Auf!
Bridget

 

[pastel]

Charlene,

I don't doubt that women can handle the job as my mother was a teaching leader of the very same organization you mention. She was involved with BSF for over 20 years. Now ask your Pastor what he thinks of BSF and then ask him what the LCMS stand on BSF is.

As for women as ministers I look to Paul's letters to the Corinthians and Timothy as my proof-text. Regardless of the equality of today between Men and Women, Paul specifically stated that the reason for not allowing a woman to have authority over a man was due to the order of creation and not because she couldn't handle the job. One of Paul's good friends and acquaintances was Priscilla. I am sure that she would have been more than qualified to do what Paul did in many areas, but she did not and the only time we hear of her getting involved in a situation is in the rebuke of Apollos.

We can talk all day about how women are equally capable of doing what a man can do (and some might argue that they can do it better), but the point is creative order not capability.

Scott

Scott,
My time with BSF was many years before becoming Lutheran. Why should I ask my Pastor about this? (actually, we have no Pastor at this time because his wife filed for divorce)...in fact, a previous Pastor let the BSF meetings come to our church for a time. Anyway, I see nothing wrong with BSF because it supports many differing faiths, much in the same way as christianforums.com does. We were not allowed to debate, or argue about doctrine, but merely state our opinion on the topic we were studying.

I view the idea of taking one verse of Scripture, and making that a foundation for doctrine is wrong. It is not balanced. You mentioned Priscilla, but there were more women involved with a called ministry, prophets, and leaders mentioned in the Bible. I know the idea of women not allowed to speak is very strong, but it still wrong because it simply is taken out of context.

Women:

First to sin - Genesis 3:6
Last at the cross - Matthew 27:55-56, Mark 15:40-41
First at the sepulchre-Mark 15:46-47, 16:1-6, Luke 23:27, 28, 49, 55, 56; 24: 1-10

First to whom risen Lord appeared - Mark 16:9, John 20:15-18

As Prophets:

Miriam - Exodus 15: 20, 21
Micah 6:4

Deborah - Judges 4:4,5
Huldah - 2 Kings 22:14-20, 2 Chronicles 34:22-28
Noadiah - Nehemiah 6:14
Anna - Luke 2:36-38
Philip's Daughters - Acts 21:9

And this is just scratching the surface.

 

[AngelusSax]

Paul specifically stated that the reason for not allowing a woman to have authority over a man was due to the order of creation and not because she couldn't handle the job.

I know this isn't pointless, but.... oh well. I'll throw in randomness at the end to make it kinda pointless.

Creation order was identified as the reason... okay then, the fish, birds, amoebas, et al are now to control mankind, as they were created before Adam.

Creative order was a holdover from the very strict Jewish days, number one. And number 2, Paul may use it as justification, but there is no law of God found in the Scriptures that Paul himself references (the OT and Jesus) that says "man was created first, so man shall be a pastor and no woman can be."

Now for the pointless part.... TV can be very good, or very bad. Watch Angel reruns on TNT... and Buffy on FX. It'll be good.

 

[pastel]

Those tests are like a supermarket for religion. I believe I've tried one of those quizes, and came up with "believes most like a Quaker" which doesn't make sense. haha... I think it is all a joke.

 

[pastel]

I love purple....oh how I love purple....purple does it for me.....purple looks so kewwwlll.....purple makes me happyyyy....oh so happpyyyy....woohoo! I guess it's late...

 

[pastel]

Time for bed, Charlene™

Yes, momma.

 

[pastel]

When I was a kid I used to go to bed, and when I thought my mother and father were sound asleep, I would sneak the reading lamp on (it was hanging on the headboard - a cute, frilly one) and read a book until midnight. I got away with that most of the time.