Please refute this video!!

[Godistruth1]

I would like to invite @Al Masihi to refute this video since he is in my opinion an expert in refuting Muslims

 

[Call me Nic]

John 12:39-41 "Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him."

 

[Barney2.0]

I would like to invite @Al Masihi to refute this video since he is in my opinion an expert in refuting Muslims

Since your Indian, I believe Dr. Samie Samson has already refuted Deedat:

Funny commands in the bible by Ahmed Deedat. ENGLISH ( Clarified by Rev. Dr. Samie Samson)

 

[Barney2.0]

I would like to invite @Al Masihi to refute this video since he is in my opinion an expert in refuting Muslims

Seems I missed the point of Mr. Deedat. The only memorable and scholarly thing Ahmed Deedat brought up was the issue of John 3:13, which isn’t a problem for us, since unbelievers have already brought us this question and it’s been long answered:

Did anyone ascend into heaven before Jesus or not? | CARM.org

As for him making fun of random Biblical verses based on a Quranic lense is as ridiculous as me looking at Islam from a Zoroastrian perspective, as you do know Zoroastrians view Muslims as followers of Ahriman and devil worshippers. As for God visiting punishment on the fourth or fifth generation, your proof is the Muslim world look at it, seriously I mean look at it, it is a world being punished for its past crimes, let Deedat apply his Quran to real life situations and my Bible to real life situations and see which picture fits more. Further more Allah does not grant non Muslims salvation no matter how much good they do, they are destined for hell, yet a Muslim no matter how much evil he does will always be destined for heaven so long as he believes in Tawheed and the prophethood of Mohammed. If this is Islam’s best, then Islam needs serious help.

 

[Barney2.0]

The Bible records history, real history no matter how terrible, it is meant to show how depraved mankind is and how we need salvation from God. The Quran is a work that takes many aspects from poetry and is meant to give men rules on how to live every aspect of their lives and in a way have Islam dominate their minds forcefully. It’s important to note these differences before looking at either of the two books. I’m no expert, I’m only as God created me.

 

[bling]

I do think Al Mesihi has addressed your questions but another thing to keep in mind:

1. Proverbs are not a list of promises that are true each time and every time but is more philosophical statements and relate to the way life is mostly like on earth, but not the way it is every time.

2. When we talk about the “Bible being inspired” that does not mean God wrote the words. The person is inspired to present correct ideas in their own words and from their own understanding and experiences. If the Bible was truly God speaking directly through a person it would be absolutely “perfect” and virtually a thing to be worshipped almost (similar to the Muslim attitude toward the Quran). The fact that it is man’s words inspired by God allows us to treat it as words (to be translate it, treated roughly, allowed to be burn it, and allow others to mistreat it). If the Bible was miraculously written by God it would be an obvious miracle in its words, so you would not need faith to believe in God, but would have direct knowledge of God’s existence.

3. The New Testament is just one tool to be used by Christians and is not meant to convince the non-Christian even though it can do that. To read scripture without faith makes it difficult to get the true meaning. Christians are to follow Christ and not some “book”.

 

[Godistruth1]

The Bible records history, real history no matter how terrible, it is meant to show how depraved mankind is and how we need salvation from God. The Quran is a work that takes many aspects from poetry and is meant to give men rules on how to live every aspect of their lives and in a way have Islam dominate their minds forcefully. It’s important to note these differences before looking at either of the two books. I’m no expert, I’m only as God created me.

Is it history too when God is saying he will cover the faces with dung & make people eat dung cakes? There is pretty much enough force in Christianity eg Deuteronomy 13 & one which Jesus wants to force himself to be king & kill those who don't want him to be king. You can't say there is no force because you don't want to follow them!

 

[Godistruth1]

Seems I missed the point of Mr. Deedat. The only memorable and scholarly thing Ahmed Deedat brought up was the issue of John 3:13, which isn’t a problem for us, since unbelievers have already brought us this question and it’s been long answered:

Did anyone ascend into heaven before Jesus or not? | CARM.org

As for him making fun of random Biblical verses based on a Quranic lense is as ridiculous as me looking at Islam from a Zoroastrian perspective, as you do know Zoroastrians view Muslims as followers of Ahriman and devil worshippers. As for God visiting punishment on the fourth or fifth generation, your proof is the Muslim world look at it, seriously I mean look at it, it is a world being punished for its past crimes, let Deedat apply his Quran to real life situations and my Bible to real life situations and see which picture fits more. Further more Allah does not grant non Muslims salvation no matter how much good they do, they are destined for hell, yet a Muslim no matter how much evil he does will always be destined for heaven so long as he believes in Tawheed and the prophethood of Mohammed. If this is Islam’s best, then Islam needs serious help.

It's pure logic. Christians like to preach God is love yet God will punish 7 generations if one commits sin. It's totally against the law that son shall not be punished for his fathers sins as per bible. I think love is when God will only punish the person to the extended of his sin & multiply the good into as much as he wishes.

 

[Barney2.0]

It's pure logic. Christians like to preach God is love yet God will punish 7 generations if one commits sin. It's totally against the law that son shall not be punished for his fathers sins as per bible. I think love is when God will only punish the person to the extended of his sin & multiply the good into as much as he wishes.

Actually the verse is speaking of how the many generations to come will suffer from the consequences of their father’s sins, it isn’t saying God holds later generations responsible for their forefathers sins.

 

[Barney2.0]

Is it history too when God is saying he will cover the faces with dung & make people eat dung cakes? There is pretty much enough force in Christianity eg Deuteronomy 13 & one which Jesus wants to force himself to be king & kill those who don't want him to be king. You can't say there is no force because you don't want to follow them!

Deuteronomy 13 is a specific command for war for a specific people, once more it’s describing violence meant for a certain time which has already finished, so I missed your point. Jesus said he will give his enemies harsh judgement, he isn’t giving a literal command to kill, this is a cheap move coming from a Muslim. As we all know what Mohammed said, I will fight them until they say there is no god but Allah and I am his prophet. As for the dung, answering Islam has already made a joke out of Deedat’s claims:

https://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Deedat/combatkit.html

 

[Godistruth1]

Actually the verse is speaking of how the many generations to come will suffer from the consequences of their father’s sins, it isn’t saying God hoods later generations responsible for their forefathers sins.

It's not saying they will suffer but God is saying HE WILL MAKE THEM SUFFER. There is huge difference

 

[Godistruth1]

Deuteronomy 13 is a specific command for war for a specific people, once more it’s describing violence meant for a certain time which has already finished, so I missed your point. Jesus said he will give his enemies harsh judgement, he isn’t giving a literal command to kill, this is a cheap move coming from a Muslim. As we all know what Mohammed said, I will fight them until they say there is no god but Allah and I am his prophet. As for the dung, answering Islam has already made a joke out of Deedat’s claims:

Response to Ahmed Deedat's "Combat Kit"

How is it in the context of war? What makes you say that?

 

[Barney2.0]

It's not saying they will suffer but God is saying HE WILL MAKE THEM SUFFER. There is huge difference

From the consequences of their father’s sins, anything you don’t understand from what I’ve said?

 

[Barney2.0]

How is it in the context of war? What makes you say that?

Deuteronomy 13, if you’ve actually read it in context, is describing a specific battle or war, these aren’t general commands or rulings.

 

[Godistruth1]

From the consequences of their father’s sins, anything you don’t understand from what I’ve said?

But they have not sinned. It's their father who sinned. So why punish seven generations?

 

[Godistruth1]

Deuteronomy 13, if you’ve actually read it in context, is describing a specific battle or war, these aren’t general commands or rulings.

There is not even one verse which gives the idea it's in context of war. Care to explain how is it context of war?

 

[Barney2.0]

But they have not sinned. It's their father who sinned. So why punish seven generations?

If a father commits murder, you don’t think the son (although innocent) will suffer the consequences of his father’s crimes.

 

[Barney2.0]

There is not even one verse which gives the idea it's in context of war. Care to explain how is it context of war?

These actually seem to be Old Testament rulings on false prophets or say those who entice others to apostasy. We don’t believe in any of the punishments prescribed in the Old Testament are valid anymore, due to the death of Jesus on the cross and his fulfillment of the punishments of the law. Anyhow we see the same penalty in Islam for false prophets, which is death, in Islam the penalty for one who entices others to apostasy is death, apostasy itself is punished by death. So your attempt to describe these verses as violent when in consideration of what your own religion teaches, is quite misplaced.

 

[Godistruth1]

If a father commits murder, you don’t think the son (although innocent) will suffer the consequences of his father’s crimes.

No

 

[Godistruth1]

These actually seem to be Old Testament rulings on false prophets or say those who entice others to apostasy. We don’t believe in any of the punishments prescribed in the Old Testament are valid anymore, due to the death of Jesus on the cross and his fulfillment of the punishments of the law. Anyhow we see the same penalty in Islam for false prophets, which is death, in Islam the penalty for one who entices others to apostasy is death, apostasy itself is punished by death. So your attempt to describe these verses as violent when in consideration of what your own religion teaches, is quite misplaced.

First you said they are in context of war. Now that you can't prove it you say they are not applicable. I'm gonna say they are still commandments that Jesus taught as Jesus is god of OT, & again you will change your answer to a different one. It's not trial and error. You need to prove how it's in context of war!