Please, point me to what lent has to do with the resurrection?

[simonthezealot]

anyone?

Christ's 40 days of fasting was 3 years before He rose from the dead, so where is the connection? biblically speaking.

 

[Albion]

anyone?

Christ's 40 days of fasting was 3 years before He rose from the dead, so where is the connection? biblically speaking.

Where did you get the idea that the Lenten devotions are about the Resurrection??

 

[simonthezealot]

Where did you get the idea that the Lenten devotions are about the Resurrection??

What so you're saying lent leading up to the resurrection have nothing to do with one another?

 

[simonthezealot]

Easter Sunday is part of Lent.

 

[Albion]

Easter Sunday is part of Lent.

No, it's not. As a matter of fact, NO Sunday is part of Lent.

 

[simonthezealot]

Well right, its the 46 days between ash and easter minus the 6 sundays.

 

[hedrick]

Lent is related to the Resurrection because the Resurrection is the end of an action that started with the Crucifixion. Lent invites us to consider the reason Christ had to die and be resurrected. The purpose of the Christian seasons isn't just to go through Jesus' life chronologically, but to encourage people to think about its significance for their own lives. Hence the major celebrations -- Christmas and the Resurrection -- are preceded by times of reflection and repentance.

 

[Celticflower]

Lent is meant (as I understand it) as a time of preparation for Easter - a time to self examine and confront anything in your life that may be standing between you and Christ, to renew your personal commitment to Christ, and to remember why the sacrifice of Friday was needed, on a personal level.

 

[simonthezealot]

So lent has NO connection to Easter?
aka Resurrection day?

 

[Albion]

Lent is related to the Resurrection because the Resurrection is the end of an action that started with the Crucifixion. Lent invites us to consider the reason Christ had to die and be resurrected.

But basically, Lent is related to the "had to die" part, not to the Resurrection--except as the one follows the other.

 

[simonthezealot]

Lent is related to the Resurrection because the Resurrection is the end of an action that started with the Crucifixion. Lent invites us to consider the reason Christ had to die and be resurrected. The purpose of the Christian seasons isn't just to go through Jesus' life chronologically, but to encourage people to think about its significance for their own lives. Hence the major celebrations -- Christmas and the Resurrection -- are preceded by times of reflection and repentance.

These action or practices, fasting etc.. Even in there biblical sense can not be drawn directly to the Resurrection using scripture, like i said Christ's 40 days were 3 years before hand so there is no connection there.

 

[simonthezealot]

Lent is meant (as I understand it) as a time of preparation for Easter - a time to self examine and confront anything in your life that may be standing between you and Christ, to renew your personal commitment to Christ, and to remember why the sacrifice of Friday was needed, on a personal level.

seems like it should be a daily prayer request, elsewise you know people start blowing off worship in June cause it's an ordinary day...KWIM?

 

[Albion]

So lent has NO connection to Easter?
aka Resurrection day?

Everything in Jesus' life is connected to everything else in Jesus' life, if you want to put it that way, but no, Lent is about the suffering and death Jesus was to endure for us in on Holy Thursday, Good Friday, and Holy Saturday. The Resurrection, of course, was the sudden (and unexpected) reversal of all of that.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

But basically, Lent is related to the "had to die" part, not to the Resurrection--except as the one follows the other.

Thing is, these guys have asked the same questions and got the same answers; never listened the first time either.

 

[simonthezealot]

Everything in Jesus' life is connected to everything else in Jesus' life, if you want to put it that way, but no, Lent is about the suffering and death Jesus was to endure for us in on Holy Thursday, Good Friday, and Holy Saturday. The Resurrection, of course, was the sudden (and unexpected) reversal of all of that.

And the purpose for going back into the shadow is what?

 

[simonthezealot]

Thing is, these guys have asked the same questions and got the same answers; never listened the first time either.

Don't think admins should be taking pot shots usually better to stick to the topic and not get personal as a model for others...
Cuz it's your ox in the pen you don't take that approach.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Don't think admins should be taking pot shots usually better to stick to the topic and not get personal as a model for others...
Cuz it's your ox in the pen you don't take that approach.

 

[Albion]

Thing is, these guys have asked the same questions and got the same answers; never listened the first time either.

That's true, and it's about time to say it, I agree. OTOH, and if you've noticed, our friend has shifted the point to his attack as each incorrect assumption after another has been shot down.

At one time, Lent was supposed to be unbiblical. Then it was Biblical but shouldn't be an obligation. That disposed of, it was allegedly not beneficial, even if observed voluntarily. Most recently it's supposed to be incorrectly connected to Easter (although the question asked about where this particular notion came from has gone unanswered). So, it's become sort of the objection that cannot die.

 

[hedrick]

These action or practices, fasting etc.. Even in there biblical sense can not be drawn directly to the Resurrection using scripture, like i said Christ's 40 days were 3 years before hand so there is no connection there.

I don't actually fast during Lent. It's primarily an occasion for repentance. Many find fasting a helpful discipline for that. Scripture certainly supports fasting. But I don't consider it an essential part of Lent.

Paul's most explicit treatment of the atonement is at the beginning of Rom 6. He connects the resurrection with the crucifixion, and says that we die with Christ as we are raised with him. He draws the implication that we should deal with sin in our lives. That's repentance. So I believe Rom 6 connects repentance with the Resurrection.

Trying to have the Resurrection without the crucifixion, and both without repentance is an example of what Bonhoeffer called cheap grace.

 

[Celticflower]

Personally, I find that Easter is less joyful without the observation of Lent. Since moving to TN we have been attending non-denoms. The first wanted nothing to do with anything they viewed as a denominational thing - no Advent, no Epiphany, no Lent, no Palm Sunday etc. Even Easter was relegated to the first half of the service and then they nailed Jesus to that cross again at sermon time. We didn't stay there too long. The one we attend now has slowly been adopting some of the old traditions, not to the extent that my Catholic friends or Methodist family observe the church calendar, but they try. Still, I miss the hymns and anthems of Lent, the focus on repentance and renewal and the whole feeling of anticipation leading up to Easter.