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Hello, PLEASE HELP ME.
This question has kept me awake night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night.

What came first, the chicken or the egg?
 

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Well if you go by an evolutionary standpoint, the first modern chicken had to have been a genetic offshoot of an extremely chicken like ancestor, who layed the first chicken egg. The first chicken would be the bird, that could breed with today's chickens, and who could only breed (hypothetically) with one sub-species after the earliest generation that their parents could breed with. (ie. parents could produce viable offspring with early chicken ancestor X, but first modern chicken could only produce viable offspring with early chicken ancestor Y, who was one genetic gradient towards the modern chicken, and away from chicken ancestor X) The first chicken would have to be the same species as the modern chicken (ie. it can produce viable offspring) But it's parents (who layed the first chicken egg) would not be able to produce viable offspring with a modern chicken, technically a different species from the modern chicken, but at the same time the same species as their offspring (you wouldn't be able to jump an entire classification in one generation) Think of a species as a box sliding accross a grayscale bar. The shades of grey within the box could be considered a species, and you could slide it up and down, but for simplicities sake we set the box at the far end of modern times, and count back from there.
Long story short, the egg.

If you look at it from a creationist standpoint, God made all the animals as they are, therefore, the chicken.

So the answer to your question actually lies in this question.

Which is true, creation or evolution?
 
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And what if it's evolution after creation?

I'm afraid you're just going to have to devote day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day to finding the answer.
 
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OK, a chicken came from a chicken egg, randomly laid by a non-chicken by accident. And this non-chicken bird came from a non-bird that laid a bird egg on accident. And because it takes two to tango, these coincidences occurred again and again until finally we had chickens laying chicken eggs. Who would question that?
 
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The chicken came first. God is like a potter who moulds all kinds of life from dust. Dust that was also used to create first man and woman who we all know are Adam and Eve. Even if accepting Jesus Christ spiritually to become a Christian, you would not get your answer straight away and because of the disobedience of Adam and Eve, the penalty is death. Life after death for all believers means that all your questions would be answered by God or Jesus the Son of God. Because eternal life is living forever in a perfect young body and intelligent mind, you would never have to suffer disease and worry again. Lack of sleep can shorten your life. I always eat a tin of fruit salad now and then because of the unique chemical nutrients found in pineapple, pears, peaches, grapes and cherries to combat cancer and heart disease caused by poor diet and lack of sleep. I sleep only four hours but experience no disease now that I am in my late 40s.
There was one time I thought that all life came from stardust. Comets, meteors, asteroids - those flying boulders in space, when they crash on Earth's soil, they disintegrate into living particles in the sea and pools of water on land. All life came from bacteria. Without good bacteria in our intestines, we would not be alive. Evolution began from these boulders containing frozen bacteria. That was my belief until healing from God made a difference in my health.

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technically speaking,only reproductive isolation suggests another species appears,same go with chicken.furthermore,after spermatization,the DNA inside the egg doesnt change anymore.thus,the creature inside the eggshell has been destined to be reproductively isolated from its ancestor(original spcecies) .in other word,the egg belonged to a new species when there was no chicken.so i guess there is egg first.
i hope that would make u sleep well.dont waste ur sleep time on useless things like this coz lack of sleep might result in damages to ur brain.
 
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Well if you go by an evolutionary standpoint, the first modern chicken had to have been a genetic offshoot of an extremely chicken like ancestor, who layed the first chicken egg. The first chicken would be the bird, that could breed with today's chickens, and who could only breed (hypothetically) with one sub-species after the earliest generation that their parents could breed with. (ie. parents could produce viable offspring with early chicken ancestor X, but first modern chicken could only produce viable offspring with early chicken ancestor Y, who was one genetic gradient towards the modern chicken, and away from chicken ancestor X) The first chicken would have to be the same species as the modern chicken (ie. it can produce viable offspring) But it's parents (who layed the first chicken egg) would not be able to produce viable offspring with a modern chicken, technically a different species from the modern chicken, but at the same time the same species as their offspring (you wouldn't be able to jump an entire classification in one generation) Think of a species as a box sliding accross a grayscale bar. The shades of grey within the box could be considered a species, and you could slide it up and down, but for simplicities sake we set the box at the far end of modern times, and count back from there.
Long story short, the egg.

If you look at it from a creationist standpoint, God made all the animals as they are, therefore, the chicken.

So the answer to your question actually lies in this question.

Which is true, creation or evolution?
:thumbsup:, with a suitable tweak to make it clear that what is being compared to evolution is creationism not creation.
 
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Hello, PLEASE HELP ME.
This question has kept me awake night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night.

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

I used to think of questions like that too. Questions that were designed not to be answered. A particular favourite of mine was 'is a zebra white with black stripes or vice versa?' I then deduced that not only were such questions unanswerable, but also irrelevant, and would not make my life feel any more complete once I'd found out. Therefore, I'd suggest stop loosing sleep over such nonsensical questions and try worrying about the important matters in life.
 
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Darwinism isn't true at all- its a agnostic/athiest philosophy not real science. Macroevolution is true some and all microvolution - this isn't darwinism. Darwinism is based on things that arn't scientific- two examples I will mention out of many. That as things evolve the darwin way - they get better and better. Not true! Genes copy themselves exactly the same-so they remain the exact same or there are mutations - genetic mistakes. If anything-things go downhill sometimes but never an improvement. The survival of the fittest- not true either. A lion gets what is convenient - it doesn't care if a calibu is weak or strong - but what is easier to get and kill. Darwinism is based on something coming from nothing - a falsehood probably thinking the egg is first. Its like saying your car came from nothing but worse-because it claims that a human body cell did when it is 1000 times more complicated than your car - so even more absurd!!! It only pleases scientists who don't want a god in their life or higher power.
 
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Darwinism is based on things that arn't scientific-
That as things evolve the darwin way - they get better and better. Not true!
You are correct, this is NOT true. And Darwinian theory doesn't say this. Organisms don't get "better," they successfully adapt to changes in the environment. Organisms that don't survive aren't "worse," they don't successfully adapt in the current environment (but in a different environment, they might excel).

Darwinism is based on something coming from nothing
Actually, Darwinism doesn't cover how life began. Darwinian theory only accounts for how life changes over time. There are other theories that deal with how life came to exist, but it's not Darwinism.
 
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I would have to say the egg, because it would have been the offspring of two hybrid animals each with chickenXchicken-ancestor genes. Their genes would produce a couple of more chicken-like hybrids. As the chickens became better adapted than their ancestors to the enivironment, they would breed and eventually a pure chicken would be born. The end :)
 
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If you look at it from a creationist standpoint, God made all the animals as they are, therefore, the chicken.

So the answer to your question actually lies in this question.

Which is true, creation or evolution?

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Oh the chicken or egg question and its relationship to creationism vs. evolution.. how awesome this question is right? It's a thinker!

I say evolution. The chicken probably evolved from some other organism and later evolved with the ability to lay eggs as a means of reproduction.

I'm not necessarily saying that this is the right answer, but I'm also not saying that creationism is the wrong answer. I'm just throwing an idea out there.
 
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