Please help me

[YVIGIRL]

Ive been arguing with a person that says that swingers are blessed by God

I really cant believe this
But the worst thing is that ive been searching the internet looking for proofs against this, but ive not been able to find something good enough to help him think that this is tottaly wrong in the eyes of god

Heres one of his answers

adultery means : breaking a covenant...as Israel often did with God and were called adulterous for it. When referring to a married couple, it has to do with breaking the marriage covenant. My wife and I have agreed to share each other exclusively with another couple who are our best friends. We are not breaking our marriage covenant because we are not covenanting against sharing each other with our poly lovers. It is wonderful, and blessed by God.



wt??

 

[HollandScotts]

Well, being able to file joint income taxes while also being able to have sex with different people and not have your wife pull a gun on your privates for cheating, sounds pretty blessed to me.

 

[HollandScotts]

Well, being able to file joint income taxes while also being able to have sex with different people and not have your wife pull a gun on your privates for cheating, sounds pretty blessed to me.

 

[Verv]

Ive been arguing with a person that says that swingers are blessed by God

I really cant believe this
But the worst thing is that ive been searching the internet looking for proofs against this, but ive not been able to find something good enough to help him think that this is tottaly wrong in the eyes of god

Heres one of his answers

adultery means : breaking a covenant...as Israel often did with God and were called adulterous for it. When referring to a married couple, it has to do with breaking the marriage covenant. My wife and I have agreed to share each other exclusively with another couple who are our best friends. We are not breaking our marriage covenant because we are not covenanting against sharing each other with our poly lovers. It is wonderful, and blessed by God.



wt??

That is absolutely ridiculous and the person is in violation of the basic principle of Christian marriage:

Matthew 19:

4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'[a] 5and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'[b]? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."​

By becoming one flesh they essentially are united for life in the most intimate of ways.

To sleep with someone else's wife, even with their consent, is to break up the union.

It is not supposed to be a shared union in the least.

Paul also speaks of how spouses are there to quell sexual passions in a sense -- that is their purpose. Not to in the end enhance and fulfill sick sexual desires with your friends.

 

[BobW188]

Adultery is extramarital sex; and the marital covenant includes God. That it's "not adultery" because the two of them say so is right up there with two hit men saying it's "not murder" because they agree it isn't. Disobedience is disobedience, no matter how many people say it is not.

 

[quatona]

Ive been arguing with a person that says that swingers are blessed by God

I really cant believe this

I can relate - I can´t even believe there´s a god, to begin with.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Ah, cultural leftovers from a time when wives were still counted among the husband's possessions, and thus fell under property rights. Isn't it grand?

 

[Angel4Truth]

Ah, cultural leftovers from a time when wives were still counted among the husband's possessions, and thus fell under property rights. Isn't it grand?

I think its exceedingly grand to belong to my husband.

 

[truthshift]

Ive been arguing with a person that says that swingers are blessed by God

I really cant believe this
But the worst thing is that ive been searching the internet looking for proofs against this, but ive not been able to find something good enough to help him think that this is tottaly wrong in the eyes of god

Heres one of his answers

adultery means : breaking a covenant...as Israel often did with God and were called adulterous for it. When referring to a married couple, it has to do with breaking the marriage covenant. My wife and I have agreed to share each other exclusively with another couple who are our best friends. We are not breaking our marriage covenant because we are not covenanting against sharing each other with our poly lovers. It is wonderful, and blessed by God.

wt??

I see no wrong in it. Then again, I don't follow your beliefs, so I guess my opinion doesn't matter much.

Have you considered asking what possible reason that being a swinger would be a bad thing? Why is it a sin? What's your god's reasoning?

 

[truthshift]

Not to in the end enhance and fulfill sick sexual desires with your friends.

Sick? Really?

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

I think its exceedingly grand to belong to my husband.

Good for you. I prefer not to think of myself as an object and a material possession.

 

[JGG]

Sick? Really?

Yes, even heterosexual sex is sick.

 

[Verv]

Ah, cultural leftovers from a time when wives were still counted among the husband's possessions, and thus fell under property rights. Isn't it grand?

Yeah, like this Bible passage and its' sexism:

1 Corinthians 7:

4The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife.
​

Yuo are buying into a baseless stereotype.

You have no problem with the Bible but rather a problem with the way that society used to exist.

Please, go take up the issue with your ancestors and not with Jesus Christ.

Sick? Really?

Yeah, having sex with someone who is not your spouse is a sick and depraved act.

Sure, it feels good and what not, but it makes your soul black.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Good for you. I prefer not to think of myself as an object and a material possession.

Odd statement when you have " Liliths lovetoy" in your usertitle. Isnt a toy an object/material possession?

 

[truthshift]

Yeah, like this Bible passage and its' sexism:

1 Corinthians 7:

4The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife.
​

Yuo are buying into a baseless stereotype.

You have no problem with the Bible but rather a problem with the way that society used to exist.

Please, go take up the issue with your ancestors and not with Jesus Christ.

Yeah, having sex with someone who is not your spouse is a sick and depraved act.

Sure, it feels good and what not, but it makes your soul black.

1. It's not a baseless stereotype. There are many third party sources that do a good job of recounting the general "value" that women have been given in the past.

2. Ok, but how is it sick?? How do you go about determining that their soul is black.

3. Why do you think that the bible says that this is a sin (which, from my understanding, it does not)? Answer the "Why" please.

 

[JGG]

Come to think of it, didn't Abraham, David, and Solomon have concubines? Isn't that the same thing?

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Ive been arguing with a person that says that swingers are blessed by God

I really cant believe this
But the worst thing is that ive been searching the internet looking for proofs against this, but ive not been able to find something good enough to help him think that this is tottaly wrong in the eyes of god

Heres one of his answers

adultery means : breaking a covenant...as Israel often did with God and were called adulterous for it. When referring to a married couple, it has to do with breaking the marriage covenant. My wife and I have agreed to share each other exclusively with another couple who are our best friends. We are not breaking our marriage covenant because we are not covenanting against sharing each other with our poly lovers. It is wonderful, and blessed by God.

wt??

Blessed by which god? Swinging resembles pagan lifestyles.

If it is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, we see that other men did not share their wives with other men. And husbands were not shared with other men's wives. We see polygamy and we see a few incidents of wife stealing (just one that is coming to mind at this moment), but we do not see swinging "blessed" by God.

 

[angellica]

1. It's not a baseless stereotype. There are many third party sources that do a good job of recounting the general "value" that women have been given in the past.

2. Ok, but how is it sick?? How do you go about determining that their soul is black.

3. Why do you think that the bible says that this is a sin (which, from my understanding, it does not)? Answer the "Why" please.

1. Do you have sources for anything? They cited a specific chapter and verse.


2. I realize that swinging couples wouldn't think so, but most of the rest of married folk would agree that it's sick.

3. Committing adultery is a sin. There are issues of trust and honesty, as well as issues of disease (AIDS, HIV, etc.) that come up with sharing partners.

 

[PaladinofByzantium]

Good for you. I prefer not to think of myself as an object and a material possession.

I prefer to think that my wife belongs to me and I to her. Not in the straw man material possession sense you make it out to be, but as two people with one flesh. I am just as much hers as she is mine. She is my helper and respects me, I cherish her and love her as my equal.

 

[angellica]

I prefer to think that my wife belongs to me and I to her. Not in the straw man material possession sense you make it out to be, but as two people with one flesh. I am just as much hers as she is mine. She is my helper and respects me, I cherish her and love her as my equal.

Thank you for explaining it and putting it in better words than I could .