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Please Help - I Don't Know If I'll Ever Be Forgiven

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I don't know whether to put this under Pentacostal or Word-of-Faith because I basically feel that during my walk with God, He led me to both "movements."

I am Justin, and I'm 19 years old. I got saved-really saved, under conviction of the Holy Ghost- last year. I love Jesus & the Holy Spirit with all my heart, and I love God's anointed men like Pastors Benny Hinn, Robert Kayanja, E.W. Kenyon, Smith Wigglesworth, etc.

I have a problem.

Last month after I fell into a certain sexual sin, I was very angry at the Holy Ghost and I called him a demon and then said "f-you" to him. Although I repented half a milli-second later, shocked and horrified by what I said, I still have the fear that I blasphemed the Holy Spirit and committed the unpardonable sin. Do you remember when you were a kid, and you cursed at your mom because you were angry at her for not giving her a toy? That's what it was like, except the toy was not falling into sin because I really wanted to obey God and surrender to Him.

Now, everytime I open up Scripture, whether it be Matthew, Mark or Luke, the section on blasphemy against the Holy Spirit reads almost like "Whoever says one word against the Holy Spirit even in anger cannot be forgiven ever." It didn't help when I went and looked at Benny Hinn's book and saw how sensitive the Holy Spirit is. I'm worried that it's too late for me and that I'm going to burn in hell forever for saying something so horrible to someOne I love so much, with all my heart. Two times this week, once while watching Benny Hinn, and another time when I was watching Pat Robertson, I cried so much because I loved them because they are anointed. I love Jesus so much and the Holy Spirit. I love everything about the Holy Spirit. I love who He is, all the many times He's been there for me, all the times that He comforted me. I cannot say one bad thing about Him and actually mean it. Even typing this is stirring up tears in my eyes.

Well, every single morning since that incident last month, I've been so overwhelmingly depressed. However, there have been some times in which I could've sworn that the Holy Spirit was still with me. One night I was crying so hard, and I heard a voice say "I'm still with you." Then another time, I was thinking about a Scripture in Jeremiah and then a pastor on the T.V. mentioned that same Scripture. Then one early morning, I opened up a Smith Wigglesworth book and it said this:

"After I had received the Baptism of the Holy Ghost (and I know that I received; for the Lord gave me the Spirit in just the same way as He gave Him to the disciples at Jerusalem), I sought the mind of the Lord as to why I was baptized. One day I came home from work and went into the house and my wife asked me, "Which way did you come in?" I told her that I had come in at the back door. She said, "There is a woman upstairs and she has brought an old man of eighty to be prayed for. He is raving up there and a great crowd is outside the front door, ringing the door-bell and wanting to know what is going on in the house." The Lord quietly whispered, "This is what I baptized you for."
I carefully opened the door of the room where the man was, desiring to be obedient to what my Lord would say to me. The man was crying and shouting in distress, "I am lost! I am lost! I have committed the unpardonable sin. I am lost! I am lost!" My wife said, "Dad, what shall we do?" The Spirit of the Lord moved me to cry out, "Come out, thou lying spirit." In a moment the evil spirit went, and the man was free. Deliverance to the captives! And the Lord said to me, "This is what I baptized you for.
Do you see how Jesus mastered the devil in the wilderness? He knew He was the Son of God and Satan came along with an "if." How many times has Satan come along to you this way? He says, "After all, you may be deceived. You know you really are not a child of God." If the devil comes along and says that you are not saved, it is a pretty sure sign that you are. When he comes and tells you that you are not healed, it may be taken as good evidence that the Lord has sent His word and healed you. The devil knows that if he can capture your thought life, he has won a mighty victory over you. His great business is injecting thoughts, but if you are pure and holy you will instantly shrink from them. God wants us to let the mind that was in Christ Jesus, that pure, holy, humble mind of Christ, be in us..."

Even so, I worry that maybe that man didn't say what I said. I know that many people think that they blaspheme the Holy Spirit but it's just in their thoughts and they never actually called Him demon. Is it too late for me? Did I do what the Pharisees did? And if not, how come it says, "The blasphemy against the Holy Ghost will not be forgiven at all?"

Please help with Spirit-filled (not theological) answers, and please don't be mad at me. Every day since last month I've paid for this sin...perhaps all eternity I'll pay for it too.
 

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Yikes...


Let me tell you; I have done this myself, atleast twice I have sworn at the holy spirit.

I know that the Bible says there is no forgiveness for this however it goes deeper than that and it's not something I have enough understanding to explain.

All I know is that a couple of months later; one night I got down on my knees and wept, and genuinely appologised to God and thanked him for the Holy Spirit for Jesus etc (among other things). I believe he has forgiven me and he is still leading me into new places.

So with that being the case, it is my opinion that you can seek forgiveness for this, as long as you are genuine.

Matt,
 
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Cheer up. You are being decieved by the devil. The reason blasphemy is the unforgivable sin is because it is impossible to accept Christ if you don't believe. If you talk bad or curse the Holy Spirit then you are basically saying that you do not believe in the Holy Spirit nor how Christ explained Him to be. I think your conviction and repentance are true signs that the Holy Ghost is still w/ you. Without the Holy Ghost you wouldn't be convicted and be able to repent (which means to turn from your ways or previous way of thinking).

Take a look at Saul in the bible. He spent the first half of his life persecuting Christians. Then on that Damascus road Jesus showed him the error of his ways and he was convicted and repented and became Paul. You think that Saul never blasphemed the Holy Ghost? I would think he did. It all comes back to John 3:16. You simply need to belive that Christ died, attoned for your sins, and was raised 3 days later and reigns today (HALLELUJIAH! Thanks you Jesus!).
 
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Talmid said:
Cheer up. You are being decieved by the devil. The reason blasphemy is the unforgivable sin is because it is impossible to accept Christ if you don't believe. If you talk bad or curse the Holy Spirit then you are basically saying that you do not believe in the Holy Spirit nor how Christ explained Him to be. I think your conviction and repentance are true signs that the Holy Ghost is still w/ you. Without the Holy Ghost you wouldn't be convicted and be able to repent (which means to turn from your ways or previous way of thinking).
Thanks for the reply, Talmid and Matt. I understand how that would make sense, Talmid, but still the Scripture says that whoever speaks a word against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. Was Jesus exagerating in His speech to make that point you mentioned? I see in Matthew that Jesus added, "out of the heart the mouth speaks." But I'm just wondering why Jesus didn't tell those Pharisees, "Assuredly I tell you, everyone who believes that I am the devil hath never forgivness," etc.?
 
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It all goes back to what you believe. In John 2:16 there is no footnote or annotation or conditions. There is simply who so ever believes in Jesus will be saved. I struggled awhile because I thought I had blasphemed because when I was younger me and a friend would sit at the back of the church and sort of mock the people acting in the Spirit. A little while latter when I was saved I questioned my redemption because of what we had done. Then I realized it was the devils trick to keep me from Christ. Once I put that behind me and believed w/ all my heart that all my sins were forgiven things started to fall in line. I couldn't say the things I say or know the things I know w/out the Holy Spirit. For years (off and on) I would read the bible and go to church and get very little from it. Once the Holy Spirit got involved I was overwhelmed w/ information and insight into Jesus.

The first and most critical step is to have faith and believe. Befor God parted the Red Sea the Israelites had to first take a step into the water. Once they did the waters parted and they passed through unharmed. PRAISE GOD!
 
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Talmid said:
It all goes back to what you believe. In John 2:16 there is no footnote or annotation or conditions. There is simply who so ever believes in Jesus will be saved. I struggled awhile because I thought I had blasphemed because when I was younger me and a friend would sit at the back of the church and sort of mock the people acting in the Spirit. A little while latter when I was saved I questioned my redemption because of what we had done. Then I realized it was the devils trick to keep me from Christ. Once I put that behind me and believed w/ all my heart that all my sins were forgiven things started to fall in line. I couldn't say the things I say or know the things I know w/out the Holy Spirit. For years (off and on) I would read the bible and go to church and get very little from it. Once the Holy Spirit got involved I was overwhelmed w/ information and insight into Jesus.

The first and most critical step is to have faith and believe. Befor God parted the Red Sea the Israelites had to first take a step into the water. Once they did the waters parted and they passed through unharmed. PRAISE GOD!
Yeah, it's all so confusing to me though. I wish God could tell me, I wish I could pray to Him and He'll answer. Everytime I pray to Him, I sink into depression. I just wish things were more clear.
If you talk bad or curse the Holy Spirit then you are basically saying that you do not believe in the Holy Spirit
So when the Pharisees blasphemed the Holy Spirit it was different from the way I did? Mark said it was because they said He had a demon.
I'm sorry I'm asking so many questions--its just that I really want to get to the bottom of all of this. I wish I could go back in time to reverse this. I don't know what to do and nothing seems to help.
 
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The Pharisees believed that they could get into Heaven by keeping the Law and all they did was not done for God but to show everyone how holy they were. That is why it says whoever does works to be recognized and honored and praised by men has their reward. (Mathew 5:2).

This is a very serious matter so ask all the questions you want. I will try and help you as best I (and the Holy Spirit) can.
 
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Please don't fear or let the enemy torture you in your mind about this. If you had truely blasphemed the holy spirit, do you believe that you could feel the spirit when you are watching a program or reading your bible? If you had committed the unpardonable sin you would not be alive today. There are several examples in the bible of men who blasphemed God and they died, none lived more than a few days. I believe that the devil is trying to have you fret and worry with anxiety, God loves you and has forgiven you for your angry outburst and sin, he loves you and remember he is not the author of confusion. You must accept his forgiveness, he loves you and has a good plan for your life. Stand on the promises of Christ, you are forgiven, receive that forgiveness and determine to not let your mind torture you with these thoughts anymore. Justin, I'm praying with you now that you will accept God's forgiveness and continue on your journey with the lord.
 
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Talmid said:
The Pharisees believed that they could get into Heaven by keeping the Law and all they did was not done for God but to show everyone how holy they were. That is why it says whoever does works to be recognized and honored and praised by men has their reward. (Mathew 5:2).

This is a very serious matter so ask all the questions you want. I will try and help you as best I (and the Holy Spirit) can.

okay Talmid thanks for all the help. I'm gonna copy and paste the NIrV's translation of the blasphemy section in Matthew:
22 A man controlled by demons was brought to Jesus. The man was blind and could not speak. Jesus healed him. Then the man could speak and see. 23 All the people were amazed. They said, "Could this be the Son of David?"

24 The Pharisees heard this. So they said, "This fellow drives out demons by the power of Beelzebub, the prince of demons."

25 Jesus knew what they were thinking. So he said to them, "Every kingdom that fights against itself will be destroyed. Every city or family that is divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan drives out Satan, he fights against himself. Then how can his kingdom stand? 27 You say I drive out demons by the power of Beelzebub. Then by whose power do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28 But suppose I drive out demons by the Spirit of God. Then God's kingdom has come to you.

29 "Or think about this. How can you enter a strong man's house and just take what the man owns? You must first tie him up. Then you can rob his house.

30 "Anyone who is not with me is against me. Anyone who does not gather sheep with me scatters them. 31 So here is what I tell you. Every sin and every evil word spoken against God will be forgiven. But speaking evil things against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven. But anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. A person like that won't be forgiven either now or in days to come.

33 "If you make a tree good, its fruit will be good. If you make a tree bad, its fruit will be bad. You can tell a tree by its fruit.

34 "You nest of poisonous snakes! How can you who are evil say anything good? Your mouths say everything that is in your hearts. 35 A good man says good things. These come from the good that is put away inside him. An evil man says evil things. These come from the evil that is put away inside him. 36 But here is what I tell you. On judgment day, people will have to account for every careless word they have spoken. 37 By your words you will be found guilty or not guilty."


And here again in Mark:
28 "What I'm about to tell you is true. Everyone's sins and evil words against God will be forgiven. 29 But anyone who speaks evil things against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. His guilt will last forever."

30 Jesus said this because the teachers of the law were saying, "He has an evil spirit."


Many many times I see people look at these Scriptures and they see that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the final, complete rejection of the Gospel. However, Jesus made it clear that blasphemy [which is verbal in nature] referred to the scribes calling the Holy Spirit a demon. This is why I'm so upset. I hear Christians say, "you couldn't have possibly committed the unpardonable sin! you love Jesus and the Holy Spirit!" but the Scriptures say "anyone who speaks evil things against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven." This is why I am so sad and can't seem to find any answer that will satisfy me. I wish there was a way to get through this without having to renounce my faith and fear the certainty of hell for the rest of my life.
 
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TSMITH said:
Please don't fear or let the enemy torture you in your mind about this. If you had truely blasphemed the holy spirit, do you believe that you could feel the spirit when you are watching a program or reading your bible? If you had committed the unpardonable sin you would not be alive today. There are several examples in the bible of men who blasphemed God and they died, none lived more than a few days. I believe that the devil is trying to have you fret and worry with anxiety, God loves you and has forgiven you for your angry outburst and sin, he loves you and remember he is not the author of confusion. You must accept his forgiveness, he loves you and has a good plan for your life. Stand on the promises of Christ, you are forgiven, receive that forgiveness and determine to not let your mind torture you with these thoughts anymore. Justin, I'm praying with you now that you will accept God's forgiveness and continue on your journey with the lord.

Thank you for your prayers. I really hope God forgave me for my anger. But I just don't know how to be sure.
 
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"Though I formerly blasphemed and persecuted and was shamefully and outrageously and aggressively insulting [to Him], nevertheless, I obtained mercy because I had acted out of ignorance in unbelief." I Timothy 1:13

"If you will turn (repent) and give heed to my reproof, behold I [Wisdom] will pour out my spirit upon you, I will make my words known to you." Proverbs 1:23
*also see Isa. 11:2 and Eph 1:17-20

I think the fact that you are feeling so convicted and would never do this again speaks volumes about how you are forgiven. You have already confessed and repented which is all Jesus said was needed to be forgiven of all sins. Now it is the devil that is taking hold and causing you doubt (confusion). God is a God of peace and order not of confusion (I Cor. 14:33).
 
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I have heard it put like this before:
If you are worried that you have committed the unpardonable sin, you shouldn't be. If you truly commited the sin, you would be spiritually dead inside. You absolutly would not care.
It sounds like God has forgiven you, and you need to forgive yourself and forget about it.
 
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Talmid said:
"Though I formerly blasphemed and persecuted and was shamefully and outrageously and aggressively insulting [to Him], nevertheless, I obtained mercy because I had acted out of ignorance in unbelief." I Timothy 1:13
But the thing is I didn't do it out of ignorance or unbelief. I knew what I was doing.

jc330 said:
I have heard it put like this before:
If you are worried that you have committed the unpardonable sin, you shouldn't be. If you truly commited the sin, you would be spiritually dead inside. You absolutly would not care.
It sounds like God has forgiven you, and you need to forgive yourself and forget about it.
I've heard that too. But everytime I start to pray, one million thoughts rush to my head, first and foremost this one: Whosoever shall blaspheme the Holy Spirit hath never forgiveness.

I know God isn't the author of confusion, but I'm so confused. I can't go to sleep anymore. I can't focus during the day. I ask everybody and they say the same thing and it never makes sense. Well, actually it does make sense, it makes perfect sense. Until you think of the following aspects:

- Anti-Charismatics arguably blaspheme the Holy Spirit, I mean look at the website Deception in the Church! They are modern day Pharisees. They hate every single thing about the Holy Spirit! Yet they believe in Jesus and they even say that they love Him! Doesn't this rule out the whole "Whoever will truly blaspheme the Holy Spirit is the person who has a hard-heart and will never accept the Gospel" explanation? These people blaspheme the Holy Ghost every day and yet they adhere to the Gospel. Do you see why I'm worried?

- Why would Jesus say "if you blaspheme the Holy Spirit you will not be forgiven" if He could still atone for it? Wouldn't He have said "if you reject the Holy Spirit you will not be forgiven" instead?

People tell me to pray to God. I can't! I literally cannot! I feel hopeless. This messageboard is my last hope or I'm giving up completely. Since I care so much about this--to the point where I can't sleep anymore--I need the right answers for these questions. I need it put to rest once and for all.
 
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genesis2v17 said:
Thank you for your prayers. I really hope God forgave me for my anger. But I just don't know how to be sure.

If you are not sure, then you haven't spent enough time praying through with God to get the assurance of God's forgiveness of you back again. This cannot come by any other means than through revelation from the Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit must witness with your spirit that you are forgiven. I know that others have given you assurances and encouragements on this thread, but they are not enough to really put your mind and spirit at peace with God. You must pray and pray, and pray again and stay with the Lord until He gives you His assurance that He has forgiven you. Unless you have that assurance directly from the Lord, you will always be in doubt, and this will stunt your Christian experience.

I would venture to say that you got yourself into this mess because you took too little time in the first place to make sure that your heart was really converted to Christ when you accept Him as Saviour. You can come to Him and ask forgiveness and cleansing, but He has to come back to you with absolute assurance of your salvation before you can be sure that you are really saved. The fact that you got angry with God and insulted the Holy Spirit means to me that your conversion was not complete. Your heart was not completely pure. People who are really saved and changed into new creatures in Christ do not kick back at the Holy Spirit in the way you did.

I suggest that you have gone the "easy believerism" way, in that you thought you could get full salvation from the Lord by praying a simple prayer, getting a bit of religion, and that was that. I have news for you. You can come to Christ and ask for cleansing and salvation, but you have to wait on God in prayer until the Holy Spirit gives you an absolute assurance that God has saved you, cleansed your heart, made your spirit anew, and made you into a new creature.

I don't care if 10,000 Christians tell you that you are saved. You can only know you are really saved when you get a definite assurance from the Lord Himself. He has to tell you in your heart that you are saved, and you have to wait before Him until you receive that assurance.

Until then, you are just playing at being a religious person, and are just a member of a club called church. Once God has acknowledged in your heart and spirit that He has forgiven and cleansed you, then you can say, in faith, that you are a saved, redeemed child of God.
 
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Oscar, I am willing to really seek Him on this but my main problem is I'm very discouraged. Do you think God will hear and answer my prayers if I pray to Him? Are you saying it's not too late for me to seek Him? People say that if something doesn't check out in Scripture, then it isn't from God. Therefore, will it even be God who answers me?
 
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Salvation is wrapped up in a relationship with God. You are wrapping your salvation in a verse of scripture that you don't understand and are confused. Stop doing that!

"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." -John 17:3

Do you want to know God? Do you want to love God? If you do, then show it. Don't just blubber in your sorrow because you felt you made a mistake. So you made a mistake. Do you think that God is not able to forgive you for that mistake?

Let me ask you this. What is more blasphemous? Finding yourself saying something at an instant of time against the Holy Spirit? Or rejecting the Holy Spirit as demonic?

If you did the first, you did not blasphemie the Holy Spirit. What Jesus was telling the Pharisees is that if they regard the Holy Spirit as not coming from God, but coming from demons, then there is no way with that attitude that those Pharisees could be saved, BECAUSE it is the Holy Spirit that raises us to new life. It is the Holy Spirit that resides in us that enables us to live the Christian life. Jesus was being merciful to the Pharisees, for He was warning them of their continued attitude. So long as they attribute the works of the Holy Spirit through Christ to demons, they will never recognize Christ as Savior. They will reject Christ and bring damnation among them selves.

Now I can hardly see this in your case. Deep down, you believe Christ as Savior, right? You believe He performed those miracles in the power of the Holy Spirit, right? You believe that the Holy Spirit will raise us up on the last day, right? You believe the Holy Spirit indwells us to help us live the Christian life, right?

Then I don't see a problem. Ok, you are upset that you said some things to God about the Holy Spirit that you regretted. But you didn't really mean those thgings now, did you? Not if you are believing the Holy Spirit for your salvation through Christ. The Holy Spirit is God, but it is that part of God that wants to live with us. The Holy Spirit makes intercession and communicates our spirit with God. Do you desire this?

If so, go to God in humbly apologize and ask for the Holy Spirit's control for your life. Don't refrain from this because you are stuck on that verse. If your deep desire is to know God and love God, well God knows your true heart. He knows that you didn't mean it. Just let Him come in your life and show you how much He loves you. Don't presume that you blew it, because I don't believe you have. You DO blow it if you don't go to Him and allow Him to work in your life.

What does God what for all of us to do? To obey His commandments:

"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him." - John 14:21


If we love Him, then we will obey Him. And that is the way we will see Him manifest in us, through the Holy Spirit.

"O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him." - Psalm 34:8

Let Him prove Himself to you as you obey Him in love. You will see.

Look, genesis2v17, God looks at your heart. He is looking for those who will worship Him in spirit and in truth.
 
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