Soul winning and Sinner's Prayer

[Basketball]

To be saved you believe on Jesus (Have faith and trust in Jesus and what he did in the Gospel to save you)

Believe Jesus is God and Savior. The gospel is that Jesus died on the cross for our sins, was buried and resurrected 3 days later. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4)

 

[Rescued One]

To be saved you believe on Jesus (Have faith and trust in Jesus and what he did in the Gospel to save you)

Sinner's Prayer
Dear God, I know I’m a sinner, as I repent I put my faith that Jesus is God and that he died buried and resurrected so that his blood can wash away my sins. I put my faith in that alone to save me not my good works in Jesus name I pray, Amen. (Pastor Gene Kim) (My addition: I trust that Jesus is my Savior and ask that Jesus save me.)


-When soul winning, if the student can recite the Sinner's Prayer out loud and believes it with their heart he or she is saved. This is a public showing or confession.
-The Prayer hits on all the key things needed to be saved. The person must believe on Jesus by faith and trust in who Jesus is and that what he did in the Gospel is sufficient for his or her salvation.

God saves whom He will and doesn't expect a specific prayer to prove it. He knows our thoughts and sees our hearts. Faith comes from His Spirit.

 

[wandering misfit]

IMO, God doesn't have to have permission to save whom He will. Israel was chosen, so is the body of Christ.

 

[Basketball]

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[wandering misfit]

For a moment I thought you were a bot, then saw that everybody loves you. God doesn't need our help to save souls, He only needs our witness. A "Sinners Prayer" is drama.

 

[Rescued One]

What I mean is that when soul winning, it is good to have the person you are teaching say out loud a Sinner's prayer in order to show they get what has been taught. If the person says they understand all parts of the above Sinner's prayer that you know they are saved vs that person not being saved.

But we don't know if they are sincere or feeling peer pressure.

 

[wandering misfit]

yet we are not fruit inspectors

 

[5thKingdom]

To be saved you believe on Jesus (Have faith and trust in Jesus and what he did in the Gospel to save you)

No, to be saved you must be "drawn" by God.
And the "belief" and/or "faith" you have is GIVEN
... and is not something produced by unregenerated men.

Sinner's Prayer
Dear God, I know I’m a sinner, as I repent I put my faith that Jesus is God and that he died buried and resurrected so that his blood can wash away my sins. I put my faith in that alone to save me not my good works in Jesus name I pray, Amen. (Pastor Gene Kim) (My addition: I trust that Jesus is my Savior and ask that Jesus save me.)

A PERFECT example of a "works gospel" or a "boaster's gospel"
is to pretend that saying a "sinner's prayer" initiates or contributes
to salvation. For God says its IMPOSSIBLE for any (unregenerated)
man to ever "seek God". Apparently (in your mind) God was
wrong and men can decide to save themselves whenever
they want. That is the heresy of a synergistic "gospel".

-When soul winning, if the student can recite the Sinner's Prayer out loud and believes it with their heart he or she is saved. This is a public showing or confession.

There is no such thing as "soul winning".
Salvation is NOT something that is "won"
That is a heresy of synergism not found in
the Gospel of the Bible.

-The Prayer hits on all the key things needed to be saved. The person must believe on Jesus by faith and trust in who Jesus is and that what he did in the Gospel is sufficient for his or her salvation.

Really... so Jesus was LYING when He taught [John 6] that
NO MAN can come to Him unless the Father first "draws" them
and ALL MEN the Father draws "shall come" to Him and He will
lose NONE of them.


I guess it was just too bad that JESUS did not know about
the "works" of the sinner's prayer being another way to God.
He just did not understand salvation is just a "work" of man and
not a matter of being "chosen" and "drawn" by God.
Silly Jesus. I guess He did not understand Scripture.


Jim

 

[5thKingdom]

yet we are not fruit inspectors

No... some of "us" are NOT "fruit" inspectors. That is clear.
And what a witty way you have with your OWN words.


However, the Bible COMMANDS the (real) saints in the church to:
(a) identify the unsaved "tares" in the church by their "works" and
(b) for the elders to REBUKE the false doctrines of these "tares" and
(c) to EXPEL these unsaved tares from the church if they refuse
to repent.


So... clearly the Bible COMMANDS some of us (the real saints)
to KNOW a tree by it's "fruit" and to separate from all those
showing the "fruit" of being unsaved "tares" in the church.


Is this REALLY "news" to you.


Jim

 

[5thKingdom]

But we don't know if they are sincere or feeling peer pressure.

How correct you are.
Moreover, saying a sinner's prayer because you decided that
going to hell was not for you is NOT real repentance at all.
The entire notion of salvation by "works" is heresy...
it is a heresy typically called "synergism".


It does not matter if that "work" is saying a sinner's prayer...
or deciding to make an altar call... or receiving water baptism...
or deciding to repent of some sins... or deciding to "invite"
Jesus into your heart... of DECIDING (a mental "work")
to "believe"....


The Bible is clear that NO MAN who is unregenrated will ever
"seek God" (no, not even one). All REAL repentance must be
the RESULT of regeneration and never the CAUSE. That is part
of Christian theology 101...


But, as the Bible foretold, MOST of those in the church will
follow the BROAD WAY of synergism into eternal destruction
and FEW in the church will find the narrow way of the True Gospel
of monergism. This is just the FULFILLMENT of prophecy.


Jim

 

[Hazelelponi]

What I mean is that when soul winning, it is good to have the person you are teaching say out loud a Sinner's prayer in order to show they get what has been taught. If the person says they understand all parts of the above Sinner's prayer that you know they are saved vs that person not being saved.

"Repeat after me" doesn't mean they truly understand what they are saying.

A 5 year old can do that, and most people who feel pressured or on the spot will say whatever you want them to say just to escape the pressured feeling and go about their way in peace.

It's better to actually have a prospective believer sit down with an elder or two, in private, if they say they want to know how to be saved, or if they indicate they want to be saved. Find out what they truly understand from their own mouth without promoting and be there to answer any questions or address any misunderstanding.

Take time with people; salvation isn't a factory assembly line...

 

[wandering misfit]

No... some of "us" are NOT "fruit" inspectors. That is clear.
And what a witty way you have with your OWN words.




Jim

None of "us" are fruit inspectors. I suspect very unsound relationships between Christology, Eschatolgy and Soterioly. I'm not going to get in a flame match with you, I'm searching for folk to discuss not assume doctrine.

 

[wandering misfit]

"Repeat after me" doesn't mean they truly understand what they are saying.

A 5 year old can do that, and most people who feel pressured or on the spot will say whatever you want them to say just to escape the pressured feeling and go about their way in peace.

It's better to actually have a prospective believer sit down with an elder or two, in private, if they say they want to know how to be saved, or if they indicate they want to be saved. Find out what they truly understand from their own mouth without promoting and be there to answer any questions or address any misunderstanding.

Take time with people; salvation isn't a factory assembly line...

I can't help myself, you've equated the responsibility of family to falsehood. There's no such thing as a "prospective" believer. You sound like a Jehovah's false witness.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I can't help myself, you've equated the responsibility of family to falsehood. There's no such thing as a "prospective" believer. You sound like a Jehovah's false witness.

So you believe being able to recite the sinners prayer equates to being saved? You think the validity of "repeat after me" is somehow synonymous with a change of heart toward sin and God?

How come so many do this and then fall away from the faith, as if they never understood salvation at all...

If the sinners prayer was somehow a valid indication of salvation our nation wouldn't be in the shape it's in right now, devoid of faith and steeped in sin.

 

[wandering misfit]

No, you've misread me.

 

[Hazelelponi]

No, you've misread me.

Or something....

 

[wandering misfit]

Or something....

ok, what's your boggle?

 

[wandering misfit]

A something is I'm Reformed, I believe John Piper is right on the 7 ages and I believe there is a people known to God the Father that wll always and forever be saved. You'd disagree how?

 

[Hazelelponi]

A something is I'm Reformed, I believe John Piper is right on the 7 ages and I believe there is a people known to God the Father that wll always and forever be saved. You'd disagree how?

I'm reformed as well. Not read anything about Pipers views on the 7 ages, sorry. Been saved 6 years only... still learning.

I disagree that I sound like a heretic... lol

 

[wandering misfit]

my apologies, i used to read things better. I am sorry. Please read again, I don't promote a sinners prayer, I think I posted in contrary. OK, now I don't know. DrSteve.