please answer a poll about abortion

[Texas Lynn]

The idea that life begins at conception should not even be debated.

Upon what basis? This position deserves no "Kings X" against debate. Such an assertion amounts to mere bullying.

It is a scientific fact that life begins at conception.

This assertion is unsupported by anything except emotionalism.

It would seem that a pro-choice position would do terrible things to a person's Christology.

Only to the uninformed.

 

[dies-l]

I think you make a wrong distinction. "Pro-Abortion" would reflect a position that abortion is a desirable thing. I have only seen such a position among very radical population reduction people, a distinct minority. What you describe as "pro-abortion" I would call a variant of the pro-choice position.

Obviously, I don't agree entirely with where you would draw the distinction between "pro-choice" and "pro-abortion." Nonetheless, even according to your definition, I don't think that the "pro-abortion" position is nearly as rare as you seem to think it is. I have known many people, who are not "radical population reduction people" who admittedly see abortion as a good means of eliminating one of the major risks of sexual behavior, the "I will do what I want, and if I get (my partner) pregnant, I (she) can just get an abortion." This position is certainly morally distinguishable from the more widely accepted pro-choice position of "regardless of what I believe morally speaking, abortion is not a decision that should be left up to the State." The former treats abortion as a desirable thing; the latter does not have any inherent qualitative or moral position.

Whatever the case, I think we agree that it is disingenuous to characterize all who are pro-choice (of which I am not one) a pro-abortion. Certainly, a person who is pro-abortion will probably be pro-choice; however, it is perfectly reasonable that a person who is anti-abortion on a moral or philosophical level may be pro-choice on a legal or political level.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Obviously, I don't agree entirely with where you would draw the distinction between "pro-choice" and "pro-abortion." Nonetheless, even according to your definition, I don't think that the "pro-abortion" position is nearly as rare as you seem to think it is. I have known many people, who are not "radical population reduction people" who admittedly see abortion as a good means of eliminating one of the major risks of sexual behavior, the "I will do what I want, and if I get (my partner) pregnant, I (she) can just get an abortion."

I wouldn't call that pro-abortion so much as proactive.

This position is certainly morally distinguishable from the more widely accepted pro-choice position of "regardless of what I believe morally speaking, abortion is not a decision that should be left up to the State." The former treats abortion as a desirable thing; the latter does not have any inherent qualitative or moral position.

I don't think the former treats abortion as a desirable thing.

Whatever the case, I think we agree that it is disingenuous to characterize all who are pro-choice (of which I am not one) a pro-abortion. Certainly, a person who is pro-abortion will probably be pro-choice; however, it is perfectly reasonable that a person who is anti-abortion on a moral or philosophical level may be pro-choice on a legal or political level.

Your former characterization here also omits forced abortions.

 

[Ave Maria]

I am pro-life and do not have any children.

 

[Ave Maria]

I refuse to answer this poll because the wording is vicious and bigoted. There are no pro-abortion people that I know of. I only know of pro-life people and pro-choice people. I, for one, am pro-choice!

 

[CTyer]

That's right. The union of the ovum and the sperm create the life of another on impact!

Calvin Tyer

Life begins at conception- anything else is inconceivable.

 

[Trashionista]

That's right. The union of the ovum and the sperm create the life of another on impact!

Calvin Tyer

A zygote, yes. A new life is up for debate.

 

[CTyer]

Call the new life (fruit) forming in the mother's womb by whatever name you want, but a rose is still a rose by any other name and it is only up for debate if one thinks they are mighty enough to challenge God who is the Giver of Life. He who opens and shuts wombs. He who knows them by name in the womb from the moment of their conception. Hint: One who thinks they are mighty enough to challenge God shall be in for a great surprise, just ask Satan. He's the last one that tried it and his end is written.

Psalm 127:3 "Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward. "

Calvin Tyer

A zygote, yes. A new life is up for debate.

 

[Trashionista]

Call the new life (fruit) forming in the mother's womb by whatever name you want, but a rose is still a rose by any other name and it is only up for debate if one thinks they are mighty enough to challenge God who is the Giver of Life. He who opens and shuts wombs. He who knows them by name in the womb from the moment of their conception. Hint: One who thinks they are mighty enough to challenge God shall be in for a great surprise, just ask Satan. He's the last one that tried it and his end is written.

Psalm 127:3 "Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward. "

Calvin Tyer

That doesn't actually negate the fact it's a zygote. Any notions of it being human have been attached to the zygote - it's not actually steeped in scientific fact, just personal opinion & feeling.

 

[CTyer]

What it does negate, is your statement that says that "whether it is a new life is up for debate."

God declares that the fruit of the womb is HIS reward. And no matter what stage of life it happens to be in, starting at conception, it IS the fruit of the womb.

Psalm 127:3 "Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward. "

Calvin Tyer

That doesn't actually negate the fact it's a zygote. Any notions of it being human have been attached to the zygote - it's not actually steeped in scientific fact, just personal opinion & feeling.

 

[BAFRIEND]

I object to this poll and will not vote because the options are inaccurate. The correct term is "pro-choice" not "pro-abortion". I don't know if a single person who is for abortion and would therefore be called pro-abortion.

The correct term is not pro-choice, there is no such thing- Roe v. Wade was a legal decision that was based on privacy, not choice. The so-called 'choice' right that is a fiction was created by the pro-abortion camp as a proxxy.

When a woman goes to the abortion clinic she recieves a medical proceedure called 'abortion'- not a medical procedure called 'choice'- it does not exist.

 

[Servant of Jesus]

That doesn't actually negate the fact it's a zygote. Any notions of it being human have been attached to the zygote - it's not actually steeped in scientific fact, just personal opinion & feeling.

Isn't this like saying that the seeds I buy to grow tomatoes are not really tomatoes???

O.K.- call them tomato seeds if you want, but then also call a zygote a human seed.

 

[lux et lex]

The correct term is not pro-choice, there is no such thing- Roe v. Wade was a legal decision that was based on privacy, not choice. The so-called 'choice' right that is a fiction was created by the pro-abortion camp as a proxxy.

When a woman goes to the abortion clinic she recieves a medical proceedure called 'abortion'- not a medical procedure called 'choice'- it does not exist.

No, it is choice. Women can make the CHOICE to terminate the pregnancy, or the can make the CHOICE to go with adoption, or they can make the CHOICE to continue the pregnancy. Pro-CHOICE sounds pretty accurate, doesn't it?

Now, pro-abortion does not make sense, because if I said I was pro-abortion, one would like I would want all pregnancies to end in abortion. That just isn't true. More "pro-life" propaganda.

 

[Trashionista]

Isn't this like saying that the seeds I buy to grow tomatoes are not really tomatoes???

O.K.- call them tomato seeds if you want, but then also call a zygote a human seed.

You have the right to call it a human seed - just know the law & science may disagree.

 

[Ave Maria]

I refuse to participate in a poll where I'd have to call myself "pro-abortion" when I know that I am not pro-abortion.

 

[Ave Maria]

I suppose you can call me "pro-abortion" if you want but that is not what I am. I am pro-choice, not pro-abortion. Also, I do not have children.

 

[b.hopeful]

Prochoice, 3 beautiful wonderful WANTED well loved children, 1 miscarriage and no abortions.(a few foster kids sprinkled in the mix in the past)