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Pirated software
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Steezie
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I have a...borrowed copy from Adobe Photoshop, now I would NEVER have bought this program normally. So arguably there was no loss of sale because I never would have bought the program.
At the very least, Adobe Systems got free advertising. If I had not been able to aquire a copy of the program, I wouldnt use it nor would I buy it.
So either way, the original producer of the program wins.
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I'm not saying he did in fact lie, but....
Last time I checked lying was a sin too.
I'd just find it amusing that someone could believe they were taking a moral stand on one issue by lying about another. They hypocrisy is killer!!!
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Theogonia
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There are all kinds of lying.
Did the christians that lied to protect Jews during the Holocaust sin?
Did the Jewish midwives that lied to protect the firstborn males of the Jews in Egypt sin?
Did the christians that lied to protect Jews during the Holocaust sin?
Did the Jewish midwives that lied to protect the firstborn males of the Jews in Egypt sin?
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But this isn't the same kind of lie is it?
Lying in this case isn't protecting anyone...it would just be condemning the sin of another by committing a sin of your own, then thinking you are morally superior. Basically protecting yourself because you are too much of a wuss to admit the real reason. There would be no moral high ground and no way you could spin it as such. It would be 100% pure unadulterated hypocrisy.
The honorable thing would be to come out and say that you don't want to use pirated software.
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Do not record with him, because if he gets in trouble, you might be a part of his case and they might blame you as a part of it.
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One could even say that the producer benefits a lot from the copying.
Hardly any private user who just wants to edit some photos would ever even consider buy photoshop. But when these people work in a company and that company considers obtaining a new image editing software, then it is almost certain that that will be photoshop - because a good number of the future users are already familiar with it due to their illegal activities.
There is a reason why many of these companies offer free or nearly free versions to students, i.e. to people whom they expect to potentially use their programs later in their business life...
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The solution is simple. The OP should buy the software himself for his band to use. Put up or shut up.
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I fail to see how pirating software would be considered sin.
You forget that christianity has a very broad definition of sin. If something is illegal and does not contradict christianity, (like violating a law, however silly) it is sin. Like speeding on a straight road with nobody around for miles.
You arent stealing as no one has been deprived of anything.
Pirating software isn't stealing, but it is copyright violation. I happen to think that a lot of copyright laws are whack and most of them have either outlived their purpose or are wrongfully applied, but that's another issue altogether. Copyright is all about control. Because intellectual property creators must have some incentive or limited benefit to their work. Although the original is unchanged, the will has been violated. The copyright holder did not intend for this person to have a copy in such a way. The fact that they could and should make use of the free advertising is besides the point.
I think that many copyright implementations and especially attempts to protect against copyright infringement are both unethical and unpractical. Unethical because they may cause harm to customers who had no intention of violating copyright and unpractical because copyright violators won't be deterred. A better business model providing speed and convenient access would be best which is why companies such as magnatune will reap the rewards of having foresight.
http://www.magnatune.com/info/whynotevil
One final word about pirating. Sometimes a copyright infringer is the least deserving of the name 'pirate.'
http://dir.salon.com/story/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/
It never ceases to astonish me how many musicians do not control their own work.
So, really, who are the real pirates?
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Open source software is the way to go. For general uses GIMP should be more than sufficient, there is no need for Photoshop unless you're doing some heavy duty graphics work.
You forget that christianity has a very broad definition of sin. If something is illegal and does not contradict christianity, (like violating a law, however silly) it is sin. Like speeding on a straight road with nobody around for miles.
You arent stealing as no one has been deprived of anything.
Pirating software isn't stealing, but it is copyright violation. I happen to think that a lot of copyright laws are whack and most of them have either outlived their purpose or are wrongfully applied, but that's another issue altogether. Copyright is all about control. Because intellectual property creators must have some incentive or limited benefit to their work. Although the original is unchanged, the will has been violated. The copyright holder did not intend for this person to have a copy in such a way. The fact that they could and should make use of the free advertising is besides the point.
I think that many copyright implementations and especially attempts to protect against copyright infringement are both unethical and unpractical. Unethical because they may cause harm to customers who had no intention of violating copyright and unpractical because copyright violators won't be deterred. A better business model providing speed and convenient access would be best which is why companies such as magnatune will reap the rewards of having foresight.
http://www.magnatune.com/info/whynotevil
One final word about pirating. Sometimes a copyright infringer is the least deserving of the name 'pirate.'
http://dir.salon.com/story/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/
It never ceases to astonish me how many musicians do not control their own work.
So, really, who are the real pirates?
p.s.
Open source software is the way to go. For general uses GIMP should be more than sufficient, there is no need for Photoshop unless you're doing some heavy duty graphics work.
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I think that if you don't have any other ways to record, then you should do it. It can't be immoral if you have no other choice.
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SallyNow
Blame it on the SOCK GNOMES!
Freeware... or finding a better venue... paying for the software... using a cheap version...
I'm not sure why so many people are encouraging an illegal act. Yes, the laws may be too strong. But this sort of civil disobedience won't save lives or prevent starvation or injustice... it will just be doing something that you can get prosecuted for just so you can save money.
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Allister
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I use pirated software etc. I have no moral gripe with this situation.
I hate the contrived propaganda that "piracy funds terrorism". what rubbish.
Also i hate the the christian idea that you must follow the law of the land becuase it is God's will
Should women have accepted the laws that prohibited their right to vote, equality and acceptance as intelligent, decent people. Should the blacks have done the same, or the british colonies that revolted against the british monarchy?
I hate the contrived propaganda that "piracy funds terrorism". what rubbish.
Also i hate the the christian idea that you must follow the law of the land becuase it is God's will
Should women have accepted the laws that prohibited their right to vote, equality and acceptance as intelligent, decent people. Should the blacks have done the same, or the british colonies that revolted against the british monarchy?
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