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[tdidymas]

Hey if it works. Never been much for sermons outside of church. Actually not a big sermon fan at all even in church. Don't get me wrong they have their place and are useful in teaching. But I prefer a more interactive service. When the service is an hour to two long and an hour or more is a sermon I think we miss the mark in what a worship service is to be about.

So you think that the apostle Paul in Acts 20 was missing the mark when he preached until midnight?

 

[HIM]

Hey if it works. Never been much for sermons outside of church. Actually not a big sermon fan at all even in church. Don't get me wrong they have their place and are useful in teaching. But I prefer a more interactive service. When the service is an hour to two long and an hour or more is a sermon I think we miss the mark in what a worship service is to be about.

So you think that the apostle Paul in Acts 20 was missing the mark when he preached until midnight?

That was not a worship service.

 

[tdidymas]

That was not a worship service.

How do you know? When Christians come together in Christ's name, it is a worship service. It clearly states they met "on the first day of the week to break bread" which is clearly a worship service.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

How do you know? When Christians come together in Christ's name, it is a worship service. It clearly states they met "on the first day of the week to break bread" which is clearly a worship service.

Where is the commandment that says Sunday is the new Sabbath here and we can break one of Gods commandments? Not a good idea when Paul says what matters is keeping the commandments of God.

In scripture days began in the evenings

Acts 20:7 happened on the “first day of the week.” Take note, when does a day start? It starts in the evening. Therefore, Acts 20:7 happened on Saturday night according to how we determine time now. Sabbath today still starts Friday evening and ends Saurtday evening which would begin the first day of the week after sunset on Sabbath which would be Sunday or the first day of the week,

God only named one day in scripture, the seventh day, which He calls the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exo 20:10, My holy day Isa 58:13 God changes not. Its why we see the Sabbath still being called Sabbath all throughout the NT and will be kept by His saints for eternity Isa 66:22-23

 

[HIM]

How do you know? When Christians come together in Christ's name, it is a worship service. It clearly states they met "on the first day of the week to break bread" which is clearly a worship service.

Break bread means they ate.
Acts 20:11 When he therefore was come up again, and had broken bread, and eaten, and talked a long while, even till break of day, so he departed.

If it were communion it would have stated so. You are speculating and being argumentative. If you think worship is listening to someone go on for an hour or so with a 5 minute prayer service and a ten minute song and praise service have at it. But you are sadly mistaken and missing out.
Take care

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Break bread means they ate.

Yes! Acts 2:46

 

[tdidymas]

Where is the commandment that says Sunday is the new Sabbath here and we can break one of Gods commandments? Not a good idea when Paul says what matters is keeping the commandments of God.

In scripture days began in the evenings

Acts 20:7 happened on the “first day of the week.” Take note, when does a day start? It starts in the evening. Therefore, Acts 20:7 happened on Saturday night according to how we determine time now. Sabbath today still starts Friday evening and ends Saurtday evening which would begin the first day of the week after sunset on Sabbath which would be Sunday or the first day of the week,

According to the context of the verses containing the phrase "first day of the week" (esp. John 20:19, Acts 20:7, 1 Cor. 16:2), this is when Christians met together to break bread in worship of Christ and celebration of His resurrection (in contrast to worshipping in the synagogues with the Jews on the Sabbath). Paul wrote in Col. 2:16 "let no man judge you concerning... the sabbath"; therefore, Paul was not advocating that Christians worship on the sabbath day. But in fact, he was opposed to the judaizers who claimed that Christians could not be saved unless they adhere to all the laws and customs of the Jews.

Therefore, "the commandments of God" he was talking about was loving God and loving others, since this is what Christians are commanded to do by Christ. The last day of the week (sabbath) was instituted by Moses in the "ten words of the covenant" God made with Israel at that time, which is now obsolete according to Heb. 8:13. So then, what is important is not a certain day of the week, but rather the moral and ethical behavior and character development which is taught by Jesus and His apostles, and writers of the NT. All this is aided by OT wisdom and examples.

But to obsess over details like a day of the week is to strain at a gnat like the Pharisees did. No, I don't believe that "the first day of the week" meant that they weren't worshiping Christ because it wasn't "the Sabbath day." They met on that day to "break bread" which was an act of worship, and a shortcut term for their regular time for gathering to worship God. Today we say "go to church." It means to worship service on Sunday morning or evening, or Wed. evening, or any other time, or any other place like in homes.

 

[tdidymas]

Break bread means they ate.
Acts 20:11 When he therefore was come up again, and had broken bread, and eaten, and talked a long while, even till break of day, so he departed.

If it were communion it would have stated so. You are speculating and being argumentative. If you think worship is listening to someone go on for an hour or so with a 5 minute prayer service and a ten minute song and praise service have at it. But you are sadly mistaken and missing out.
Take care

Don't be quick to judge, as you are being argumentative here. Your idea that I'm missing something is not convincing. "Breaking bread" is a way of saying communion and meal both, as they did at other times. Your interpretation that it meant only having a meal is speculation.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

According to the context of the verses containing the phrase "first day of the week" (esp. John 20:19, Acts 20:7, 1 Cor. 16:2), this is when Christians met together to break bread in worship of Christ and celebration of His resurrection (in contrast to worshipping in the synagogues with the Jews on the Sabbath). Paul wrote in Col. 2:16 "let no man judge you concerning... the sabbath"; therefore, Paul was not advocating that Christians worship on the sabbath day. But in fact, he was opposed to the judaizers who claimed that Christians could not be saved unless they adhere to all the laws and customs of the Jews.

Therefore, "the commandments of God" he was talking about was loving God and loving others, since this is what Christians are commanded to do by Christ. The last day of the week (sabbath) was instituted by Moses in the "ten words of the covenant" God made with Israel at that time, which is now obsolete according to Heb. 8:13. So then, what is important is not a certain day of the week, but rather the moral and ethical behavior and character development which is taught by Jesus and His apostles, and writers of the NT. All this is aided by OT wisdom and examples.

But to obsess over details like a day of the week is to strain at a gnat like the Pharisees did. No, I don't believe that "the first day of the week" meant that they weren't worshiping Christ because it wasn't "the Sabbath day." They met on that day to "break bread" which was an act of worship, and a shortcut term for their regular time for gathering to worship God. Today we say "go to church." It means to worship service on Sunday morning or evening, or Wed. evening, or any other time, or any other place like in homes.

Curious if you read the passages you quoted? Nothing about worshipping God on Sunday as a new weekly day of worship. These were all one time events and nothing about changing God's Sabbath commandment, that no man has authority to change. Only God can reverse His blessing Num 23:20 God said He would not alter His Words Psa 89:24

John 2)19 sThen, the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were 5assembled, for tfear of the Jews,

As you can see by this verse- days start at evening for it was Sabbath evening after sundown which is when the first day starts.

1 Cor 16:2 On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.

Act 20:7 Now on lthe first day of the week, when the disciples came together mto break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.

Eating is something they did daily Acts 2:46 but that doesn't make every day a new Sabbath, a new day of worship a new commandment. The apostles were servants of Christ, they obeyed God's commandments as should we.

 

[HIM]

Don't be quick to judge, as you are being argumentative here. Your idea that I'm missing something is not convincing. "Breaking bread" is a way of saying communion and meal both, as they did at other times. Your interpretation that it meant only having a meal is speculation.

Add things if you wish. I won't and don't care to debate with, "it is because I say so theology"
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[tdidymas]

Curious if you read the passages you quoted? Nothing about worshipping God on Sunday as a new weekly day of worship. These were all one time events and nothing about changing God's Sabbath commandment, that no man has authority to change. Only God can reverse His blessing Num 23:20 God said He would not alter His Words Psa 89:24

Your opinion. And why does Heb. say that a change of priesthood requires a change of law (Heb. 7:12)?

John 2)19 sThen, the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were 5assembled, for tfear of the Jews,

As you can see by this verse- days start at evening for it was Sabbath evening after sundown which is when the first day starts.

Your opinion. But John uses Roman time, not Jewish time. See the clear proof here:

https://www.prunch.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Johns-time.pdf#:~:text=John%20uses%20Roman%20time%2C%20so%20this%20is%2010,of%20the%20day%20with%20just%20those%20two%20men.

1 Cor 16:2 On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.

Act 20:7 Now on lthe first day of the week, when the disciples came together mto break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.

Eating is something they did daily Acts 2:46 but that doesn't make every day a new Sabbath, a new day of worship a new commandment. The apostles were servants of Christ, they obeyed God's commandments as should we.

It says the first day of every week, and the first day of the week. This is when Christians met for worship and communion.
Acts 2:42 says "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers." This is worship and fellowship. In :46 it was the apostles who went from house to house daily, because the people needed it. For the apostles, every day was indeed a sabbath, in which they served the gospel to the people. This is how it reads in context.