Pictures of the new Sanatana Dharma(Hindusim)

[Vainglorious]

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The above schematic has all the scientific rigor of a 1930's science fiction "What will the future be like" magazine article written by people with more imagination that knowledge of engineering.

The above diagram does not come from the Vedas. It is an after the fact reinterpretation to try to make the claims of the Vedas look like "modern" technology obviously written by somebody who knows nothing about aeronautics.

Why if we have plans has nobody built this great device?

 

[Futuwwa]

Actually binary does have floating point numbers, they are just divided by two. 1/2 1/4 1/8 1/16 1/32 1/64

Yes, you can represent decimal numbers in various ways by the use of binary numbers, but the CPU still uses binary numbers in its elementary calculations. Not decimal numbers, ergo it has nothing to do with the Indian number system.

The 1 stands for positive and 0 stands for absence of current. You cannot use 1 & 2 in a binary system. Because 2^2 *2 is not binary anymore. Mathematically only 0 and 1 work for binary.

Correction, 1 stands for a certain voltage level (typically 5V) and 0 for another (typically 0V). And yes, you can use 1 and 2, if you define Boolean algebra accordingly, which in this case would go:

1 AND 1 = 1
1 AND 2 = 1
2 AND 2 = 2

(and similarly for OR, XOR and NOT). Those are the fundamental operations all computing is based on, ergo, 1 and 2 is sufficient. Of course you wouldn't represent numbers in the same way as you'd with 0 and 1, but it's all a matter of algebraic convention.

Btw, why didn't you answer my other point? If Indian science is to be credited with the development of computing, why not credit all other developments equally that were necessary for computing to be possible? Why the unwillingness to share the credit with al-Khwarizmi, Leibniz, Euler etc?

 

[srev2004]

Yes, you can represent decimal numbers in various ways by the use of binary numbers, but the CPU still uses binary numbers in its elementary calculations. Not decimal numbers, ergo it has nothing to do with the Indian number system.



Correction, 1 stands for a certain voltage level (typically 5V) and 0 for another (typically 0V). And yes, you can use 1 and 2, if you define Boolean algebra accordingly, which in this case would go:

1 AND 1 = 1
1 AND 2 = 1
2 AND 2 = 2

(and similarly for OR, XOR and NOT). Those are the fundamental operations all computing is based on, ergo, 1 and 2 is sufficient. Of course you wouldn't represent numbers in the same way as you'd with 0 and 1, but it's all a matter of algebraic convention.

Btw, why didn't you answer my other point? If Indian science is to be credited with the development of computing, why not credit all other developments equally that were necessary for computing to be possible? Why the unwillingness to share the credit with al-Khwarizmi, Leibniz, Euler etc?

I didn't say Indian science should be credited for computing. I just said people should acknowledge it's contributions. Saying Vedic science is false.... is not sufficient.

As for Vedic airplanes, they are called vimanas and are bountiful in the Mahabharata and the Ramayana. So if you guys read up on it, I don't have to go through the trouble of explaining everything.

Except Or And XOR and NOR and NAND gates are designed with resisters for on and off. Not On slightly and On more slightly.

 

[srev2004]

The above schematic has all the scientific rigor of a 1930's science fiction "What will the future be like" magazine article written by people with more imagination that knowledge of engineering.

The above diagram does not come from the Vedas. It is an after the fact reinterpretation to try to make the claims of the Vedas look like "modern" technology obviously written by somebody who knows nothing about aeronautics.

Why if we have plans has nobody built this great device?

Because you have to completely decipher it and to be able to learn to make all the alloys required for the plane takes time.

Only 7 out of 3000 have been replicated. And the top 3 from them have been used to build this plane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH5OhQKXwL0

And these.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHcW63u_SqM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbH5YgX3uUw (100%) indian made cyrogenic rocket.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Because you have to completely decipher it and to be able to learn to make all the alloys required for the plane takes time.

What's there to decipher? It's not encoded, is it? Besides, what are those alloys made of?

Only 7 out of 3000 have been replicated.

Great, show us the videos.

And the top 3 from them have been used to build this plane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH5OhQKXwL0

And these.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHcW63u_SqM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbH5YgX3uUw (100%) indian made cyrogenic rocket.

Funnily enough, neither Wikipedia nor the Aeronautical Development Agency do so much as even mention the vedic science they supposedly used in constructing it.

Even more interesting is the fact that the engines of this marvel of long lost Indian wisdom are built by General Electric, and the gun is a Soviet design from the 1960's. With all those poison throwers and ray guns aplenty, I would have thought the need for such archaic weapons would be over.

 

[srev2004]

What's there to decipher? It's not encoded, is it? Besides, what are those alloys made of?

Great, show us the videos.

Funnily enough, neither Wikipedia nor the Aeronautical Development Agency do so much as even mention the vedic science they supposedly used in constructing it.

Even more interesting is the fact that the engines of this marvel of long lost Indian wisdom are built by General Electric, and the gun is a Soviet design from the 1960's. With all those poison throwers and ray guns aplenty, I would have thought the need for such archaic weapons would be over.

I didn't talk about any gun....?

The engine for the LCA is in development. The GE engine is to fill in a stop gap, so production isn't delayed due to the engine not being ready. It's the Kaveri, and I have shown a video of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLZTymne1NY

LCA Carbon Composites being made.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4503725423837794418

Indian carbon composites and avionics have also helped their inducted fleets get lighter and longer lifespans and enabled BVR combat. That is how their aging 1960's Mig-21's defeated US F-15C jets in a military exercise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QV44MzExt8

The most advanced active fighter in the world. The Sukhoi-30 MKI I stands for Made in India. MK variants are made in Russia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4grsZI9ZgQ

Indian made Mirages, with full transfer of technology have been made then the French variants and are the only versions used in combat (Kargil 1999).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFTKW9F-LBI

Indian made Jaguars.

Copyright B harry. Posted with written permission.

British Jaguar. You can clearly see the difference in quality and the amount of composites used. The Indian version has less nuts and bolts, lesser number of pieces and is more flexible due to reduced number of parts and weights.

 

[srev2004]

What's there to decipher? It's not encoded, is it? Besides, what are those alloys made of?

Great, show us the videos.

Funnily enough, neither Wikipedia nor the Aeronautical Development Agency do so much as even mention the vedic science they supposedly used in constructing it.

Even more interesting is the fact that the engines of this marvel of long lost Indian wisdom are built by General Electric, and the gun is a Soviet design from the 1960's. With all those poison throwers and ray guns aplenty, I would have thought the need for such archaic weapons would be over.

Indian Made Sukhoi

Russian made Sukhoi

You can also clearly see the patchy Russian make and the more modular Indian make.

 

[srev2004]

You can clearly see which aircraft handle stress better, which have more nuts and bolts and which look newer, although they are both acquired @ the same time frame.

Digital Fly by Wire for an unstable aircraft as unstable as the LCA is thought to have been impossible. But India was able to get the best simulations result on a foreign simulation platform with the avionics it has written. The simulator was on a F-16XL. A 3d TVC version of the F-16.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKqvQ-ATYh8

India American army exercise. With Indians training the Americans.

Americans learning Yoga.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4beiyOKzbY

This is the course the Americans were put through.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svp1CHtI4_s

Playing some cricket after everyone graduated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z29wESjS_s

 

[Vainglorious]

Methinks I'm seeing a pattern.

Everytime srev2004 is asked to show how Vedic Science contributes to technological development he lists technologies developed using "western science" and gets all patriotic about how great Indian engineers are (yes, they are just as good as everybody else).

But after all of that does he somehow think he answered the original question? Yes, because his brain (I'm doing some armchair diagnosis) just switches between the two concepts of Vedic Science and modern Indian engineering and simply assumes there must be a link.

Unfortunately, nobody but Srev2004 seems able to see the link.

 

[Vainglorious]

Because you have to completely decipher it and to be able to learn to make all the alloys required for the plane takes time.

How convenient. So technological contribution (so far): zero

Only 7 out of 3000 have been replicated.

"Replicated" using "western science" or Vedic Science? Right about here is where you need to get very specific to show the causal link (not correlation) between Vedic Science and technological advancement.

 

[arunma]

Methinks I'm seeing a pattern.

Everytime srev2004 is asked to show how Vedic Science contributes to technological development he lists technologies developed using "western science" and gets all patriotic about how great Indian engineers are (yes, they are just as good as everybody else).

But after all of that does he somehow think he answered the original question? Yes, because his brain (I'm doing some armchair diagnosis) just switches between the two concepts of Vedic Science and modern Indian engineering and simply assumes there must be a link.

Unfortunately, nobody but Srev2004 seems able to see the link.

Oh I could have told you that. And then there's the absurdity of claiming that Indian aircraft are better than Western aircraft because they have a nicer looking exterior. Heck, the pictures of Indian aircraft were probably edited with image software, assuming they're even pictures of Indian aircraft to begin with.

Not that Indian achievements have anything to do with Vedic pseudoscience (they don't), but here's what really throws the monkey wrench in Srev's Indian supremacist beliefs: all of the best Indian engineers are educated in America! Looks like all that time they supposedly spend reading the Vedas still has to be supplemented with a real education.

 

[sefroth77]

Oh I could have told you that. And then there's the absurdity of claiming that Indian aircraft are better than Western aircraft because they have a nicer looking exterior. Heck, the pictures of Indian aircraft were probably edited with image software, assuming they're even pictures of Indian aircraft to begin with.

To earn money in todays world (Material Education) you need to be edcucated in America. Spiritual Education won't bring you money dude. The Vedic Science with is advanced knowleage was used prior to the massive destruction to man-kind 5000years ago. Afterwhich many was lost.

Just imgaine tomorrow there is a major destruction to our planet, almost the entire human race wiped off the map, only a handful survived..What happen ? Society goes back to primative ways..Technology will be lost. This same senario happened 5000years back, or you can call it Noah's Ark.

Not that Indian achievements have anything to do with Vedic pseudoscience (they don't), but here's what really throws the monkey wrench in Srev's Indian supremacist beliefs: all of the best Indian engineers are educated in America! Looks like all that time they supposedly spend reading the Vedas still has to be supplemented with a real education.

Without the decimals system from the Vedas, without the number zero derivied from the Vedas, Not much scientific discovery would have been made. You won't be sitting in the comfort of your home and posting these messages. Indian achievement has a lot to do with the Vedas. You are a Christian and you are denying it because you are ashamed to be part of the Vedas because of your Indian origin.


J. Robert Oppenheimer, (1904-1967) Scientist, philosopher, bohemian, and radical. A theoretical physicist and the Supervising Scientist Manhattan Project, the developer of the atomic bomb said: He is most remembered for his work with Albert Einstein on the first atomic bomb.

Only seven years after the first successful atom bomb blast in New Mexico, Dr. Oppenheimer, of The Manhattan Project, who was familiar with ancient Sanskrit literature, was giving a lecture at Rochester University. During the question and answer period a student asked a question to which Oppenheimer gave a strangely qualified answer:

Student: Was the bomb exploded at Alamogordo during the Manhattan Project the first one to be detonated? Dr. Oppenheimer: "Well -- yes. In modern times, of course.

"Berlitz goes on to quote a number of passages from the Mahabharata that describe the impact of a weapon that I suspect must be the brahmaastra, although he neither names the weapon nor cites those sections of the text from which his quotations are drawn (he lists Protap Chandra Roy's translation of 1889 in his bibliography):...a single projectile Charged with all the power of the Universe.

An incandescent column of smoke and flame As bright as ten thousand Suns Rose in all its splendor......it was an unknown weapon, An iron thunderbolt, A gigantic messenger of death, Which reduced to ashes. The Entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas....the corpses were so burned As to be unrecognizable. Their hair and nails fell out; Pottery broke without apparent cause, And the birds turned white. After a few hours all foodstuffs were infected......To escape from this fire. The soldiers threw themselves in streams to wash themselves and their equipment...

One is reminded of the yet unknown final effect of a super-bomb when we read in the Ramayana of a projectile:
...So powerful that it could destroy
The earth in an instant -
A great soaring sound in smoke and flames...
And on it sits Death...
(source: Doomsday 1999 A.D. - By Charles Berlitz Doubleday; March 1981 ASIN 038515982X p. 118-122).

 

[arunma]

To earn money in todays world (Material Education) you need to be edcucated in America. Spiritual Education won't bring you money dude. The Vedic Science with is advanced knowleage was used prior to the massive destruction to man-kind 5000years ago. Afterwhich many was lost.

In other words...it's worthless. This "spiritual education" you speak of is highly objective and can't be quantified. Not to mention it utterly defies Srev2004's explanation of Vedic "science" has having practical, technological applications. Which one of you is right?

Just imgaine tomorrow there is a major destruction to our planet, almost the entire human race wiped off the map, only a handful survived..What happen ? Society goes back to primative ways..Technology will be lost. This same senario happened 5000years back, or you can call it Noah's Ark.

Sorry, but there's no evidence that the world suffered a major catyclysm 5,000 years ago.

Without the decimals system from the Vedas, without the number zero derivied from the Vedas, Not much scientific discovery would have been made. You won't be sitting in the comfort of your home and posting these messages. Indian achievement has a lot to do with the Vedas.

First of all, the Indian invention of the decimal system doesn't come from the Vedas. Secondly, it's already been mentioned that the Indians weren't the only people to invent this number system.

You are a Christian and you are denying it because you are ashamed to be part of the Vedas because of your Indian origin.

Whatever. Speculation doesn't merit a response; neither do your cut 'n pastes which comprise the rest of your post.

 

[srev2004]

How convenient. So technological contribution (so far): zero



"Replicated" using "western science" or Vedic Science? Right about here is where you need to get very specific to show the causal link (not correlation) between Vedic Science and technological advancement.

How arrogant of you...? Westerners imposed sanctions on India for most of it's independence, and whenever we come up with something, it's because of western science. That is a load of bull if you ask me.

Just get over yourself, Indians invented things themselves and don't need to come begging to the west to invent things ourselves and we don't the west's approval. India has an independent foreign policy and doesn't need to bow to anyone or get anyone's approval. I actually don't care if you choose not to believe what I say. It's your loss. I worked in the defense industry and have seen things for myself. You are asking things like show me proof of how American stealth exists. All America will tell you is it deflects radar in all angles but the source. But they will give you next to nothing when it comes to mathematical forms of the application. Last time this happened two engineers were jailed for 10 years in prison for revealing confidential data. You are asking the same thing here...

Anyways I'll conclude on this. If you don't like the proof I have given you then that's your opinion. But for me 1+1 = 2. I don't know how you see things, but India has sanctions placed on it during the majority of it's R&D during these development stages. So how the heck can India develop these products from western science when it was under sanctions?

India invented everything on it's own. Some products had Russian help but everything else is indigenously developed.

If the Indian scientists were educated in America, they wouldn't be working for Indian defense which pays 10,000 dollars a year.... They would work for NASA or Boeing.

 

[srev2004]

As for references to Vimanas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwVZeCLEWrE

The power of Lord Hanuman, the science that existed doesn't exist in Kali Yuga. But we can apply a lot of knowledge from the Vedas into our yuga. Hence the material applications such as metallurgy and other various things.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d74zxZAs1m8

Adam's bridge (man made)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uprY330CFpI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwwoeZrm22I


Vedic philosophy
To understand the metaphor of the Ramayana, we need to grasp the old saying "the Microcosm is a mirror of the Macrocosm".
For us as human beings, our feminine side is of an introversial nature, and our masculine side is of an extroversial nature.
But for the Macrocosm, everthing is in a reverse order, like a mirror image.
For the Supreme Universal Consciousness, the masculine side is the Introversial Force, and the feminine side is the Extroversial Force.
Here in the Ramayana, Ram represents the Supreme Masculine Introversial Force, and Sita represents our poor lost individual introversial nature.
Our individual introversial nature has been stolen away by Ravan the ten-headed demon.
Ravan represents the ten sensory and motor organs as they are always running towards the material world.
In order for our individual introversial nature to be saved from the clutches of the ten extroversial sensory and motor organs,
the Supreme Masculine Introversial Force must construct a bridge accross the ocean.
Each stone of the bridge has the Mantra carved on it, and the Mantra is the name of the Supreme Introversial Force.
So let us use whatever name we associate with for the Supreme Introversial Force as our Mantra,
and use it as our bridge to save our poor long-since neglected feminine introversial natures.
This being the secret to meditation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF04pqctocM

notice the last seen. This cartoon was done after Japanese, not Indian, but Japanese people read the vedas and created this anime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ-gLE54tFM in Indonesia. Everyone in Indonesia educated in the Vedas, believes in their authenticity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_B_9zue2QQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMdE3fbBp_0

India is unstoppable. Say what you want, but India is rising.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXUjEG-1iLU

 

[Vainglorious]

(source: Doomsday 1999 A.D. - By Charles BerlitzDoubleday; March 1981 ASIN 038515982X p. 118-122).

Ha! Notice the dates.

 

[srev2004]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm1fskAJtPg

Here is another view on the Ramayan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhd7ZZytchg

These two videos are the European takes on the Ramayan. It's lame acting and I don't like it, Ramayana deserves nothing but a perfect representation, but this is Europe's attempt at it.

 

[arunma]

How arrogant of you...? Westerners imposed sanctions on India for most of it's independence, and whenever we come up with something, it's because of western science. That is a load of bull if you ask me.

You really need to get over that. I doubt you could name a single technology used in India that doesn't come from the West (not without lying, anyway). Western science is the only science there is. Your opinions to the contrary don't change this. No Vedic pseudoscientist will ever get published in a real scientific journal.

Just get over yourself, Indians invented things themselves and don't need to come begging to the west to invent things ourselves and we don't the west's approval. India has an independent foreign policy and doesn't need to bow to anyone or get anyone's approval.

OK, now I can't tell if you're talking politics, religion, or science.

I actually don't care if you choose not to believe what I say. It's your loss.

We have something to lose by rejecting lies?

I worked in the defense industry and have seen things for myself.

You didn't work in the defense industry anymore than I am a molecular biologist. If you tried selling Vedic pseudoscience to your employer, you wouldn't receive a very warm reception.

You are asking things like show me proof of how American stealth exists. All America will tell you is it deflects radar in all angles but the source. But they will give you next to nothing when it comes to mathematical forms of the application.

You seem to have it backwards. The science is always what gets published. It's the engineering specifications that tend to be classified.

Anyways I'll conclude on this. If you don't like the proof I have given you then that's your opinion.

It's not our opinion. Your "proofs" are intrinsically illogical, and blatently false.

But for me 1+1 = 2. I don't know how you see things, but India has sanctions placed on it during the majority of it's R&D during these development stages. So how the heck can India develop these products from western science when it was under sanctions?

Sanctions are economic. They have nothing to do with the free flow of scientific ideas. Anyone can go to Astro-ph or Pubmed and download all the research papers they want.

India invented everything on it's own. Some products had Russian help but everything else is indigenously developed.

You seem to have an incorrect idea of how this works. India pays for its military technology, and gets it from defense contractors. You seem to have the impression that Indians develop their own technology independent of the rest of the world. No one in the right mind would reinvent the wheel. If India relied on Vedic pseudoscience, as you believe, they'd still be in the stone age.

 

[srev2004]

In other words...it's worthless. This "spiritual education" you speak of is highly objective and can't be quantified. Not to mention it utterly defies Srev2004's explanation of Vedic "science" has having practical, technological applications. Which one of you is right?

No one is right or wrong. Only knowledgeable or ignorant. Rest are just opinions.

Sorry, but there's no evidence that the world suffered a major catyclysm 5,000 years ago.

The Indus valley dried up, Saraswathi river dried up, 300 Indian cities were deserted. That is a major cataclysm.

First of all, the Indian invention of the decimal system doesn't come from the Vedas. Secondly, it's already been mentioned that the Indians weren't the only people to invent this number system.

Atharvaveda 5.15

(1) eka cha me dasha cha me apavaktara osadhe. Ritajata ritavari madhu me madhula karah.
(2) dve cha me vinshatishcha me apavaktara osadhe. Ritajata ritavari madhu me madhula karah.
(3) tistramcha me trinshachcha me apavaktara osadhe. Ritajata ritavari madhu me madhula karah.
(4) Chatasrashcha me chatvarinshachcha me apavaktara osadhe. Ritajata ritavari madhu me madhula karah.
(5) pancha cha me panchashachcha me apavaktara osadhe. Ritajata ritavari madhu me madhula karah.
(6) sat cha me sastishcha me apavaktara osadhe. Ritajata ritavari madhu me madhula karah.
(7) sapta cha me saptatishcha me apavaktara osadhe. Ritajata ritavari madhu me madhula karah.
(8) asta cha me ashitishcha me apavaktara osadhe. Ritajata ritavari madhu me madhula karah.
(9) nava cha me navatishcha me apavaktara osadhe. Ritajata ritavari madhu me madhula karah.
(10) dasha cha me shatam cha me apavaktara osadhe. Ritajata ritavari madhu me madhula karah.
(11) shatam cha me sahasram chapavaktara osadhe. Ritajata ritavari madhu me madhula karah.

Now please be quiet about Vedas not inventing the decimal system, when they are found from a vedic document!

Whatever. Speculation doesn't merit a response; neither do your cut 'n pastes which comprise the rest of your post.

There is no speculation. If you weren't lazy, you'd pick up the Vedas and start reading and stop this petty argument. Otherwise don't question their authenticity and sound stupid.

 

[Vainglorious]

How arrogant of you...? Westerners imposed sanctions on India for most of it's independence, and whenever we come up with something, it's because of western science. That is a load of bull if you ask meJust get over yourself, Indians invented things themselves and don't need to come begging to the west to invent things ourselves and we don't the west's approval. India has an independent foreign policy and doesn't need to bow to anyone or get anyone's approval. I actually don't care if you choose not to believe what I say. It's your loss. I worked in the defense industry and have seen things for myself. You are asking things like show me proof of how American stealth exists. All America will tell you is it deflects radar in all angles but the source. But they will give you next to nothing when it comes to mathematical forms of the application. Last time this happened two engineers were jailed for 10 years in prison for revealing confidential data. You are asking the same thing here...

Get that nationalistic bug out of your butt. I said nothing which indicated Indians weren't capable of domestic technological development. My argument it is the science and engineering used in an identical manner to the West which produces results. So called Vedic Science (technology coming from Hindu religious books) contributes nothing to technology or industry.I'm not asking you for State secrets (which I doubt you have). I'm asking you to justify your claim that Vedic Science (not science done by Indians) actually contributes something tangible. So far all of your examples have been of the same type of science and engineering as practiced in the West.

Anyways I'll conclude on this. If you don't like the proof I have given you then that's your opinion. But for me 1+1 = 2. I don't know how you see things, but India has sanctions placed on it during the majority of it's R&D during these development stages. So how the heck can India develop these products from western science when it was under sanctions. India invented everything on it's own. Some products had Russian help but everything else is indigenously developed

Are you saying without certain Hindu texts Indian engineers and scientists are incapable of producing anything? Are you saying Indian scientists just copy ideas that somebody thought of 5,000 years ago?BTW sanctions don't prevent the transmission of knowledge.