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yeah, because he was too old for the part to start with.WardSmythe said:Picard.
He can still fit into his uniform.
Right. And Kirk surrendering to Khan is...just a fluke?Piccard would never have made ensign in the real world. Not only did he surrender the first time, he spent the whole first season looking for unknown hostiles to surrender to, unconditionally. He wasn't a diplomat he was a coward, and if he ever made it to a ship would have been charged with deriliction of duty long before being faced with a challenge.
The character Kirk was a true man of peace, he gained the upper hand and then negociated peace. When, in the original Star Trek, did they blast something that didn't shoot first? He grieved the death of his adversaries, (in the series).
Piccard jeopardized the lives of his crew and colleages as a matter of habit, and hated those who gave him the most help, and who pushed him to mature as a person and as leader.
So what were his other options? WWKD? What Would Kirk Do?It was a complete unknown to him at the time, so he unconditionally surrendered to an unknown enemy of unknown strength, with unknown intents.
It turned out to be Q, who at the time was also, unknown to him, and for that matter he never did figure out that Q saved his butt every time they encountered one another.
Picard won the day tho as I recall! And later managed to get Q, with Riker's help, in some hot water with the Continuum.Well, not being a writer for Star Trek I can only guess what they would have him do, but in "The Corbomite Manuver," Kirk tried talking, and when that failed, he tried breaking away. Like in the Next Imitation, (since the "Corbomite Manuver" was one of the episodes pilfered for "Mission at Farpoint"), Kirk had no chance, but since he didn't fire first, and sent out the "friendship" messages, the alien ended the test favorably for Kirk.
Piccard just surrendered, without trying to discover anything about his adversary.
Please! Kirk was a walkin, talkin, overacting all-around interplanetary Billy Jack. While Piccard would try to reason with aliens and understand them, maybe get them into group therapy or something like that, maybe get them on the Federation's medical perscription assistance plan to deal with their issues. Kirk would blast 'em full of holes and then win the hearts of every woman on the planet as well as those of every girl on the ship - it's no contest. If you want Dr. Phil as a starship commander, it's Piccard. Kirk was kinda' corny at times, but at least they knew what weapons were for. And this whole "borg" thing? ARRRGGHHH! How boring is that? Again, blast 'em and be done with it. Later and God bless!
Kirk is my favorite.. though he couldn't beat Pic in a fight
Um, what exactly were Picard's options? We're talking about Q here!Like I said in my previous post, I never watched after Picard surrendered the ship.
It took 20 years for Kirk to surrender. One big mistake in 20 years, he didn;t put his shields up. Picard surrendered on the first show. And he didn't just surrender 400 people, but the whole section attached to the starship.
When Kirk surrendered what was the crew count?
10? (I might be wrong, but they didn't have a full crew did they? I am only half a Trekie. Watched because the rest of the family wanted to watch, and then we only had one t.v., remember those days.....I'm getting old.)
Now back to my originla question:
Several posters stated Picard would beat Kirk in a fight,
I hope they mean in their primes, because Kirk now wouldn't be able to beat many in a fight, hes what 75?
Was Picard in many fights? And did he win? Does he know martial arts? Kirk was always going at people hand to hand. Kirk even fought Spock, a Vulcan that is stronger then humans.
I thought Picard was a talker?
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