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We (pro science) are not the ones who mix the physical with the supernatural.
Dark energy and inflation both have mathematical models to back them up; Now where's your mathematical model for talking snakesBaloney. Inflation and "dark energy" are purely "supernatural" constructs of the human imagination. They have NO physical expression or effect in "reality". Don't even THINK about claiming that "science" doesn't "invent" it's own set of "supernatural"' entities. When was last time inflation did anything to anything in the lab?
Just read my previous posts and ye shall see where I do!No, you didn't.
I said thatHere's what you said:
For someone who doesn't "mix the physical with the supernatural," this is one doosey of a demand.
No. That is not how science works. In fact science does not delve into the supernatural so why are you delving into science to prove your supernatural claimsI'm willing to mix science with Scripture via my Boolean standards.
Are you willing to do the same?
Science does not allow for compromise; It demands testable theories and empirical evidences.The thing with you "pro science" people (as you called yourself), you're not willing to compromise; but you sure as shootin' demand we compromise.
Why should youWell, I do compromise ... to a point.
Stay as you are AV. Science works and its aim is ERUDITION; The more we learn the better we can understand and rectify mistakes. After all the Wright brothers did not build the first aeroplane to fly at mach 2 speeds!And believe me, you guys let me know when I don't go all the way.
No. That is not how science works. In fact science does not delve into the supernatural so why are you delving into science to prove your supernatural claims
Except in string theory, dark matter theories, dark energy theories, inflation theories, etc.Science does not allow for compromise; It demands testable theories and empirical evidences.
And instead we should have... blind faith in the Qu'ran?IMO atheists have a VERY "romantic" view of 'science'. It becomes their surrogate source of 'truthiness'.
And instead we should have... blind faith in the Qu'ran?
Why?And instead we should have... blind faith in the Qu'ran?
Both books ask me to love and to kill. Far as I can tell, they're pretty evenly matched.Why?
Do you want to blow something up over here?
Or will this Qu'ran justify your feelings toward Jews & Christians?
Afraid the Bible will ask you to love someone?
(Just asking.)
Absolutely false! NO, that is NOT how "science" works. It delves into the "supernatural" all the time! What is string theory if not a 'supernatural' concept? It's not even "testable" in any true sense of the word. Inflation is a purely 'supernatural' entity. Nothing like it exists in nature today and nothing like it shows up in any lab on Earth today. Dark energy is as "supernatural' of a constructs as it gets. Don't sit there and claim that "science" doesn't entertain "supernatural" ideas. They do it EVERY SINGLE DAY.
Except in string theory, dark matter theories, dark energy theories, inflation theories, etc.
IMO atheists have a VERY "romantic" view of 'science'. It becomes their surrogate source of 'truthiness'. What they fail to typically accept however is that 'science' most certainly DOES entertain "supernatural' ideas every bit as much as any "religion" on the planet.
It would seem the 'worms' have eternal life and are not affected by fire.why is it here:
And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
Isaiah 66:24
"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." ~ Albert EinsteinDark energy and inflation both have mathematical models to back them up; Now where's your mathematical model for talking snakes
We do...others don't.well, we agree then.
Photons are massless, and therefore have no time. Because time is a physical property.
Which means that all information that is sent wifi or over wireless is also eternal.
But, it is believed that information is eternal as it is. Regardless of it's state. A CD weighs half an ounce with a thousand dollars of software on it, or blank. So we know information is massless.
I sound crazy but it works out.
"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." ~ Albert Einstein
We do...others don't.
Er...whoah. Stop. Major over-simplification, misuse of terminology and semantics alert. In terms of general relativity - photons traveling at C don't experience time; to the photon, it is effectively traveling a null geodesic path of length 0. This sounds pretty wacky, but it's true, and to show why and to be complete we'd have to delve headlong into differential geometry, and if you thought I was verbose before...well, let's not go there.
Er...what? The information sent over wifi isn't eternal, since the photons can be disrupted at any time. You're misusing the term 'information'.
Bzzzzz. Wrong. You're going wrong because you are placing relative values in things depending on your (or others) opinions - for example, the monetary and usefulness of information. Let's think about hard drives, since how CDs and CDrs work is a little different (one uses manufactured pits and notches within the surface, the other uses dyes that turn opaque when exposed to a particular laser, and the picture is thus a little more complicated...again).
Imagine that the whole hard drive (where data is expressed in terms of magnetic domains) can be expressed as 10 numbers - it's many millions more but...let's boil it down to
"blank" hard drive (or "full" depending on how you look at it, but...never mind)
0000000000
The written hard drive therefore might be
0100110101
Now...you may value that information more when you put it your hard drive, but in PHYSICAL terms - i.e. pertaining to physics, there is really no more information on the disk than there was before...just the magnetic states have changed.
Information seems to require mass or its equivalent, energy - to be expressed, to exist. A binary system is the lowest system from which any information can be theoretically expressed, so let's continue to think in terms of 0's and 1's. To partition between 0 and 1 in any state requires energy, because of Landauer's principle, and because of this all expressions of information requires energy, and energy and mass are equivalent. There is a minimum amount of energy per bit of information that must be transferred to transfer information (per Shannon's work on information theory), and special relativity tells us that if energy is transferred from one system to another - so is mass.
So your statement is irrelevant. It's a nice idea to be able to separate information from mass and energy, but it's not founded in reality.
Nah, you just sound crazy.
Just kidding. You're making the kind of common mistake that the colossal majority of humans make when we examine the world around us - and mistake that won't even ever bother most of us in any way.
We see things on our level and when you start to try and figure out the quantum level, the parameters and rules change entirely, something that Einstein figured out that Newton couldn't have in his day. What you can't then do is take quantum and sub-atomic theories and observations, and try and prove supernatural things with them...
It would seem the 'worms' have eternal life and are not affected by fire.
Besides, aren't 'carcases of men' supposed to be dead bodies of men and not men living in eternal torment?
If you are going to debate with me in this thread then do have the decency to read my posts. First learn how science works then come back to me else stay with your polka dotted unicorn arguments!
I am learning a lot, but I think you are missing the quantum side of things, here is a video I found with some links below it.....
You think I'm missing the quantum "side of things"? What do you even mean by that phrase? I wouldn't consider myself an expert in quantum mechanics, having studied with some of the real experts in the field, but I have a degree in Physics from one of the finest institutions for studying that subject in the world...so I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I'm doing better than most do on QM, having done several years of work on nothing else other than advanced physics.
I post a reasoned, thought out answer to some of your points...then you post a video of a creationist in reply? And a block of text that's been posted on countless creationist websites?
That's like the most basic talk on relativity I've ever seen, by someone who is a million miles from expert in the subject. Like the kind you'd give to maybe 14 year olds. I find your reply insulting.
but what I wanted you to read was this:
Researchers Succeed in Quantum Teleportation of Light Waves - April 2011
Excerpt: In this experiment, researchers in Australia and Japan were able to transfer quantum information from one place to another without having to physically move it. It was destroyed in one place and instantly resurrected in another, “alive” again and unchanged. This is a major advance, as previous teleportation experiments were either very slow or caused some information to be lost.
Researchers Succeed in Quantum Teleportation of Light Waves | Popular Science
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