LOL... Speaking as a male of many years, I beg to differ, madame.
That is, of course, unless you kiss like a dead trout...
Disclaimer: I'm using the term "you" in a general sense, including myself.
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LOL... Speaking as a male of many years, I beg to differ, madame.
That is, of course, unless you kiss like a dead trout...
Disclaimer: I'm using the term "you" in a general sense, including myself.
Joe, I think it would depend on your level of self restraint. If you feel that you can't make out with a girl without it leading to inevitable sin, then don't do it.
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Today at 01:41 PM Miss Shelby said this in Post #22 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=703239#post703239)
Joe, I think it would depend on your level of self restraint. If you feel that you can't make out with a girl without it leading to inevitable sin, then don't do it.
But how would you define "inevitable sin"? Is that sexual intercourse?
If it was me, I would classify "mak[ing] out", itself, as sin.
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i dont think theres anything wrong with prolonged kissing. i mean it is all about where the hands are.
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Could someone -- preferably an adult Catholic male -- please address this question for me? If you feel uncomfortable addressing it publically, feel free to PM me.
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Alright, what is the difference between these two scenarios:
1. A male in a premarital relationship purposefully achieves and maintains sexual arousal through prolonged kissing.
2. A male in a premarital relationship purposefully achieves and maintains sexual arousal through prolonged kissing accompanied by "light petting".
Both of these scenarios achieve the same ends. I ask you, what is the difference? How can one be a sin, and the other not be a sin?
Edit: I clarified scenario No. 2.
1. A male in a premarital relationship purposefully achieves and maintains sexual arousal through prolonged kissing.
2. A male in a premarital relationship purposefully achieves and maintains sexual arousal through prolonged kissing accompanied by "light petting".
Both of these scenarios achieve the same ends. I ask you, what is the difference? How can one be a sin, and the other not be a sin?
Edit: I clarified scenario No. 2.
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My thinking is that there's categories of things where the sinfulness is determined not just by ends, but by means; certain boundaries are drawn.
That said, if it feels sinful to you, don't do it. Easier said than done, but probably the right solution.
My thinking is that there's categories of things where the sinfulness is determined not just by ends, but by means; certain boundaries are drawn.
That said, if it feels sinful to you, don't do it. Easier said than done, but probably the right solution.
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I am not a man but I will tell you what,
It is wrong to get yourself aroused knowing you are not married to the person and can not finished the act.
I have heard priest say that this is wrong. I have heard priest say that once your dating after a normal amount of time you either need to marry or get out, anything else is sinful.
I have heard people try to say that they live with their boyfriends/girlfreinds and nothing happens, I have heard priest say to them that they are in sin.
So take this for what ever it is worth. YOU have to discern what is in your heart.
It is wrong to get yourself aroused knowing you are not married to the person and can not finished the act.
I have heard priest say that this is wrong. I have heard priest say that once your dating after a normal amount of time you either need to marry or get out, anything else is sinful.
I have heard people try to say that they live with their boyfriends/girlfreinds and nothing happens, I have heard priest say to them that they are in sin.
So take this for what ever it is worth. YOU have to discern what is in your heart.
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Argh. I am not Catholic, and I am not a man. But I can't resist because this seems really obvious to me. It isn't just about what you are doing to yourself, it is about what you are doing to the woman you are with. I'm sorry to be so very blunt, but would you see a difference between 1) her enjoying the sensation of kissing you, 2) her enjoying the sensation of fondling you? I bet you would.
In the same way, when you are "petting" a girl you are treating her in a way that is different than when you are just kissing her. You are affecting her - and in a real way, taking something from her. Trust me, from a girl's perspective, there is a HUGE difference between being kissed and being "petted."
The sin involved is not gaged just by how *you* are effected, but also by what you are doing to the other person.
*slinking my non-male non-Catholic little self out of here.........
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That's not exactly what I meant in No. 2. What I meant was, "roaming of the hands", presumably in addition to kissing. Sorry for the confusion.
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So if a girl is engaging in prolonged kissing with a guy and she grabs his butt, she is taking something from him?
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Perhaps I need to clarify my position. When I say "petting", I do not mean heavy or exclusive petting. What I mean is grabbing someone's butt, or rubbing their back, etc., while the prolonged kissing is being engaged in.
Disclaimer: Sorry, I don't know a better word for butt.
Disclaimer: Sorry, I don't know a better word for butt.
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My point is, I believe that both prolonged kissing, and prolonged kissing with "light petting," are both sins.
Edit: The reason why I made this statement, is because someone argued earlier that prolonged kissing was not sinful if not accompanied by "roaming hands." My position is that both No. 1 and No. 2 achieve the same ends, and by that reasoning, prolonged kissing by itself is, indeed, sinful.
Edit: The reason why I made this statement, is because someone argued earlier that prolonged kissing was not sinful if not accompanied by "roaming hands." My position is that both No. 1 and No. 2 achieve the same ends, and by that reasoning, prolonged kissing by itself is, indeed, sinful.
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Joe, from a woman's perspective -- kissing and petting are perceived differently. At least from mine. Maybe it is different for a guy, I don't know. But my point was that you are responsible for each other as well as yourselves.
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Oh no offense here. Thanks for checking though.
It is good that you are working through this.
It is good that you are working through this.
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I'm trying really hard to understand things. I feel embarrassed that I didn't understand what you were talking about with girls.
But I understand it better now, which I wouldn't have, had I not talked about it. Thank you EM. I always seem to work through things in a fiery fury. Go figure... 
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