philosophy is philology

[sarxweh]

Sarxweh, I just looked up 'philology'. The study of linguistics and language in literature.

I don't see how that IS philosophy? Is my drive belt slipping?

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[sarxweh]

(Pereant qui ante nos)

Here we are in front of us? Sounds like one of my dreams, actually.

"To the Devil with those who published before us / Perish those who said our good things before us." -Donatus


"He that sleeps feels not the tooth ache"

Which is Shakespeare in his cymbaline, who I named my first daughters

 

[Gottservant]

I think your perspective is capable of a subtle understanding, but to have so must face the possibility of a greater finality than it can entertain and a more lasting strength than it can deny

if you can achieve that then good, but I think what you will find when you do, is that you are much less concerned with definitions in general and more with the power of movement between words that follows a much stricter path towards the Message of God

I continue to be impressed, I just worry that you will consider yourself wise enough to control your tongue, when no man can (because you say "I know how I define my life")

PS. If you have a moment, you could delete a few hahaha's and allow the formatting to be corrected (thanks)

 

[Archie the Preacher]

Sarxweh, I just looked up 'philology'. The study of linguistics and language in literature.

I don't see how that IS philosophy? Is my drive belt slipping?

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You just looked up philology?

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Okay. You're as confused as I am. Never mind.

 

[sarxweh]

Okay. You're as confused as I am. Never mind.

Probably am, but I don't know you well enough to say.

Philology is a lot more than a history of language. Its more like reading the score of a classical piano piece. Sure, each note is "just a note in its natural environment". But the same note will mean different things at different points in the song.

Studying the historical development of what has been meant by terms (especially when they are special) and being able to track those meanings through seeing their usage in different historical writing has created the very categories we presently use in thinking.

Words ought to be protected like beautiful underage daughters, but have too often been wantonly raped and impregnated, and some even have children aborted when the consequences and implications got too intense. Can I get an amen

 

[Gottservant]

I think the truth is you actually respond really well to pressure and believing you know enough of something origin to care about feeds into that dynamic perfectly well (at least for the purposes you have discovered so far).

The thing is, most people prefer more natural observations than that, since the stuff of dreams is best recorded by a one to one relationship with reality (if you will accept my argument, you may not). Resorting to word definitions is far too cold to fire the imagination, without the rest (of life) at least being there.

Then there is the fact that, by resorting to the claim that philosophy is philology you cheapen philosophy without ever actually understanding what is meant by it or what inspired it, precisely because you are relying on definitions that blind you to it.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but don't be too quick to think you've cornered philosophy with a single blow to the crotch.

 

[sarxweh]

Do words begin as concepts or do concepts begin with words?

Philology can't stand alone any more than Philosophy. I don't see that as a hit below the belt. I see it as a fascinating map and intriguing stimulant for thought. Science could also be said to be philology. To me the more important question would be the direction of it all.

Many of my own ideas I would like to believe are original, but alas, I do tend merely to speak the language...

 

[Archie the Preacher]

Philology is a lot more than a history of language.

You should really attempt to read, Sarxweh. The study of linguistics and language in literature is different than merely the history of language.

Studying the historical development of what has been meant by terms (especially when they are special) and being able to track those meanings through seeing their usage in different historical writing has created the very categories we presently use in thinking.

That is quite correct.

Words ought to be protected like beautiful underage daughters... Can I get an amen

Yes. May it be so. Sadly, words are vandalized and used without regard to meaning. The word 'gay' comes to mind. Not to mention 'imply' and 'infer'.

From this, I would admit that philology is a sub-title of philosophy. To equate the two is the same error in use of words as claiming 'arithmetic' is the same as 'mathematics'. And like arithmetic in relation to mathematics, it may be one of the more used and important sections of philosophy.

Now I'm curious why you didn't answer the first time I asked?

 

[Archie the Preacher]

Do words begin as concepts or do concepts begin with words?

I tend to think words began with concepts. At some point, Og wanted Og (a very popular name at the time) to hand him some wood so he - Og - could invent fire.

Obviously, the two had to agree on how to designate 'wood', how to designate 'fire' and the more complicated idea of 'making fire'. Left to their own devices, it would take a while.

Science could also be said to be philology.

Most of what we currently call 'science' was at one time called 'natural philosophy'. There is no doubt a common link of 'how does "this" work?'

To me the more important question would be the direction of it all.

Sorry. The direction of what 'all'?

Many of my own ideas I would like to believe are original, but alas, I do tend merely to speak the language...

They quite possibly are your own ideas. But Solomon said some three thousand years ago, "There is nothing new..." I have come up with ideas on my own that I later found to be already discovered by someone before me. This is a process known colloquially as 'reinventing the wheel'. It only happens to those who actually consider a problem and a possible solution.

 

[sarxweh]

You should really attempt to read, Sarxweh. The study of linguistics and language in literature is different than merely the history of language.

I couldn't disagree more. We have no way to track present meaning in language other than historical literature.


I'm open for any reading suggestions.

 

[Gottservant]

A written word, never negates the authority of someone who could write most things (selah)

I think you are opening yourself up to a "philosophy" that does not discriminate between obtuse and ill-defined language, but that would be based on an assessment that you would either be over-confident and pursue fiction or under-committed and blinded by fancy (in part, I could be wrong).

I couldn't do philosophy if I didn't write things down, but the subtlety of that is that philosophy is not necessarily something I "do" (foremost of all, let's not kid ourselves, philosophy does do something).

Tracking where it is going is a matter of knowing, how it is you have come to believe that you have said enough, not what more you could say (though that helps).

 

[sarxweh]

When a word can help in describing yet another word, we have philology at its prime.

When a philosophy attempts to redefine its own heritage and hope, we have a vanity.


I love philosophy. But words are better wombs for fodder.

Suck it, Trebek.

 

[GrowingSmaller]

sounds poetic but i dont understand it.

 

[dms1972]

philosophy is philology

Nope.

Philosophy is Philosophy

Philology is Philology

One is love of Sophie

the other is study of Phil



Just kidding

 

[dms1972]

When a word can help in describing yet another word, we have philology at its prime.

Are you sure you are not talking about a dictionary?

 

[dms1972]

This thread reminds me of a classic advert from the 80s

You got an "ology" !!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK5-2fPyCjA