Philosophical arguments against the existence of God

AnonymousRain · Dec 8, 2015

For my part, I don't presume to argue against something that in order to qualify for the title of god would necessarily be incomprehensible to humans.
Whereas, that I exist means at least for the duration I am the known creator of my life by choice and moment to moment.
And if there is something that is eternally powerful as well as benevolent, it can't be surprised when I act as it created me to be. And especially given two faith traditions, do so in the image and likeness of itself.

AnonymousRain · Dec 8, 2015

HitchSlap said:
How do you know this? Is "thou shall not throw battery acid on thy brother's face," in the bible?

If someone's own conscience doesn't inform them of the answer to that, nothing written down anywhere at all is going to change a thing.

anonymous person · Dec 8, 2015

HitchSlap said:
Sorry, what?

I'm asking how you know god thinks the face was not meant to have battery acid on it?

I asked you why you had an attitude.

HitchSlap · Dec 8, 2015

anonymous person said:
I asked you why you had an attitude.

No attitude.

Please answer the question.

anonymous person · Dec 8, 2015

AnonymousRain said:
If someone's own conscience doesn't inform them of the answer to that, nothing written down anywhere at all is going to change a thing.

You are just joining us. Welcome.

We are not here talking about knowing right or wrong, good or bad i.e. being informed about such concepts. Rather, we are discussing the grounding of said values and duties.

AnonymousRain · Dec 8, 2015

anonymous person said:
You are just joining us. Welcome.

We are not here talking about knowing right or wrong, good or bad i.e. being informed about such concepts. Rather, we are discussing the grounding of said values and duties.

Thank you. Yes, I am new. And I realize what's being discussed.
The point being and as my personal world view and grounded set of morals dictate, if someone doesn't know they shouldn't abuse others simply because that's not cool, how does a fear paradigm designed as man's or a deities law evoke what isn't innate in a person?

anonymous person · Dec 8, 2015

HitchSlap said:
No attitude.

Please answer the question.

You didn't know that there is no such command in the bible?

HitchSlap · Dec 8, 2015

anonymous person said:
You didn't know that there is no such command in the bible?

Then how do you know god doesn't like it?

anonymous person · Dec 8, 2015

HitchSlap said:
Then how do you know god doesn't like it?

Answer the question.

loveofourlord · Dec 8, 2015

anonymous person said:
That's great that you believe in God and Jesus.

I have never claimed science or empiricism were wrong, whatever that would mean. I think you just misunderstand what I am saying and that's ok too.

No and I never said that, what your doing is acting like limitations of science/emperiacism is some how filled by you, that by saying, "Science can't do X." you imply YOU can do X, show show it or explain why you insist on pointing out flaws in science and such that you can't fix yourself.

Can YOU give a method to prove were not in the matrix, or not a brain in a vat, or the world wasn't created yesterday, becaus if you can't then don't bring it up with science.

loveofourlord · Dec 8, 2015

anonymous person said:
You are just joining us. Welcome.

We are not here talking about knowing right or wrong, good or bad i.e. being informed about such concepts. Rather, we are discussing the grounding of said values and duties.

A better question is, what would you use to inform a muslim that throwing acid in the face is wrong? You can't use god, or bible beccause the muslim thinks god is okay with it, and doesn't agre with the bible, we would have to use the same methods atheists use, because telling someone who does't belive in god, or your god that Jesus doesn't like X doesn't do anything. Any more then a Muslim trying to convince you that throwing Acid in the face of girls that want a education is moral, because woman shouldn't learn.

Davian · Dec 8, 2015

AnonymousRain said:
If someone's own conscience doesn't inform them of the answer to that, nothing written down anywhere at all is going to change a thing.

Try looking at this from the position of someone that believes that life without a biblical-type god is ultimately nihilistic.

HitchSlap · Dec 8, 2015

anonymous person said:
Answer the question.

I'll ask you again. How do you know god doesn't want battery acid thrown on people's faces?

anonymous person · Dec 8, 2015

HitchSlap said:
I'll ask you again. How do you know god doesn't want battery acid thrown on people's faces?

I have learned much from you. I hope you have learned something from me that will ultimately benefit you in some way. I think for now, it is best for me to not talk to you in this public forum. Thanks again. If you would like to talk privately, feel free to PM me.

anonymous person · Dec 8, 2015

Davian said:
Try looking at this from the position of someone that believes that life without a biblical-type god is ultimately nihilistic.

I think life without God is absurd. I do think atheism logically leads to nihilism. And no thanks, I don't feel the need to provide a falsifiable hypothesis for you to substantiate any of this.

AnonymousRain · Dec 8, 2015

Davian said:
Try looking at this from the position of someone that believes that life without a biblical-type god is ultimately nihilistic.

I did. But that would necessarily require the observation that such a person has never read the bible. Else they'd comprehend that in order to obey the edicts of a higher power, said higher power would have to demonstrate of itself a higher moral example than those it seeks to command to obey a set of moral laws.

AnonymousRain · Dec 8, 2015

HitchSlap said:
I'll ask you again. How do you know god doesn't want battery acid thrown on people's faces?

How many people have you assaulted by throwing battery acid in their face?

bhsmte · Dec 8, 2015

HitchSlap said:
I'll ask you again. How do you know god doesn't want battery acid thrown on people's faces?

He wont answer.

Davian · Dec 8, 2015

anonymous person said:
I think life without God is absurd.

"God" being something that you are unable to define in manner that would demonstrate it to be more than a character in a book. What do you mean by "absurd"?

I do think atheism logically leads to nihilism.

Yet, with few exceptions, that is not what we observe. Perhaps you are projecting your own difficulties with nihilism onto others.

And no thanks, I don't feel the need to provide a falsifiable hypothesis for you to substantiate any of this.

Well, it would be for you to provide as a means of substantiating your claims, and I didn't think you could.

anonymous person · Dec 8, 2015

Davian said:
"God" being something that you are unable to define in manner that would demonstrate it to be more than a character in a book. What do you mean by "absurd"?

Yet, with few exceptions, that is not what we observe. Perhaps you are projecting your own difficulties with nihilism onto others.

Well, it would be for you to provide as a means of substantiating your claims, and I didn't think you could.

It's not that I can't. It is that I don't feel the need to.

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