Petition against Nehemia Gordon from the Karaites

[Lulav]

What is the proper pronunciation?

Obviously, no one wants to use The Name flippantly, much less "in vain" (= falsely, to swear to something in His Name... and then not do it / not have it be true / not make it come true)

Matthew 5:37 = James 5:12


Which was better, Eden or the way things are now?

How would be a better preacher, Jesus Himself or anyone alive today?

New isn't automatically good -- Mr. Gordon does all this song and dance... and then comes right back to siding with the JWs on "Jehovah" (unless I'm somehow wildly misreading him) which everyone knows is the "hybrid" pronunciation from applying the vowel points of "Adonai" (subject to Hebrew grammar) to the tetragrammaton

Yet, your other post says otherwise.

Nehemia Gordon's impassioned book Conspiracy of Silence... details his research into the proper pronunciation of the sacred tetragrammaton YHWH. He learned that mainstream Rabbis have quietly preserved the correct vowels since the time of Christ -- originally outlawed since the martyrdom of Rabbi Taradion in the wake of the bar Kochba rebellion -- and that the correct vowel markings are evident here & there in at least four of the oldest surviving Masoretic manuscripts:

• Aleppo Codex
• Leningrad Codex
• Damascus Crown
• Cairo Codex

The correct pronunciation is, in fact, essentially that promulgated by the Jehovah's Witnesses -- although Nehemia Gordon was not able to confirm whether the ancient pronunciation involved a "W" or a "V" sound.

Sounds like New research done from pretty old sources and times.

 

[Rachel Rachel]

What is the proper pronunciation?

Obviously, no one wants to use The Name flippantly, much less "in vain" (= falsely, to swear to something in His Name... and then not do it / not have it be true / not make it come true)

Matthew 5:37 = James 5:12


Which was better, Eden or the way things are now?

How would be a better preacher, Jesus Himself or anyone alive today?

New isn't automatically good -- Mr. Gordon does all this song and dance... and then comes right back to siding with the JWs on "Jehovah" (unless I'm somehow wildly misreading him) which everyone knows is the "hybrid" pronunciation from applying the vowel points of "Adonai" (subject to Hebrew grammar) to the tetragrammaton

If Nehemiah Gordon has found multiple sources showing the vowel points, why shouldn't we believe him?
I only want the truth. And I would certainly take his word over the Catholic encyclopedia .

 

[Erik Nelson]

If Nehemiah Gordon has found multiple sources showing the vowel points, why shouldn't we believe him?
I only want the truth. And I would certainly take his word over the Catholic encyclopedia .

He himself acknowledges that what he has found is a few typos in four of the pre-eminent Masoretic texts (Aleppo, Leningrad, Damascus Crown, Cairo)

He is inferring that the scribes errantly wrote these typos because, knowing the pronunciation of YHWH, they wrote what they were thinking silently to themselves, not what Masoretic textual tradition demanded

He has constructed a plausible sounding narrative behind a handful of typos... but is that a strong case?

There are nearly 30,000 instances of the Divine Name in those four manuscripts, and he found (so far as I understand him) around one typo in each of those four manuscripts

How about this plausible-sounding narrative, "scribes are only human"... more parsimonious?

 

[Erik Nelson]

Yet, your other post says otherwise.



Sounds like New research done from pretty old sources and times.

End of the day, dust settling, bottom line:

1000 year old Masoretic traditional form:

Mr. Gordon's "secret" form:

Identical except for ambiguous vowels perhaps present on the final consonant