Peter's Vision

[dqhall]

"Sin IS transgression of the Law" 1 John 3:4 KJV

Well there you have it.

and of course:

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” (Lev 19:19 from the Law of Moses) you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” Ex 20
also said, “Do not commit murder.” Ex 20
Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.

1 Cor 6
7 Actually, then, it is already a defeat for you, that you have lawsuits with one another. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be defrauded? 8 On the contrary, you yourselves wrong and defraud. You do this even to your brethren.
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God

I heard an account of a Christian revival in the parish of Barvas on the Island of Lewis (UK). People crowded in to listen to Duncan Campbell preach. They had Christian meetings in their homes afterward. They were praying and rejoicing singing hymns. They had no instruments in their churches. Drunks got sober. The island’s 18 police had little to do, but direct traffic at public events.

The faith in loving one another greatly reduced the crime rate. People had Christ inspired ideas about what is moral and immoral. They desired to avoid the loss and destruction of their souls. Instead they sought the blessings of God’s guidance.

 

[Der Alte]

Why would you call Yahshua a liar? That's pretty offensive.
All this happened to Yahshua's disciples. It was happening before Paul ever went on the road to Damascus.

Good you acknowledge that Christians were persecuted by the Jews. They were even killed. When did that persecution stop?
According to my post [#87] above the persecution never stopped. If anything it got worse, just like Jesus said.

 

[HARK!]

Good you acknowledge that Christians were persecuted by the Jews.

Yahshua wasn't talking to Paul's disciples. He was talking to his own direct followers, right there in Judaea. Now why would you call Yahshua a liar?

 

[Der Alte]

Yahshua wasn't talking to Paul's disciples. He was talking to his own direct followers, right there in Judaea. Now why would you call Yahshua a liar?

Where did I say or imply that Jesus was talking to Paul's disciples? Did the Jewish persecution ever stop. It certainly continued through the time of Paul. And according to the Jewish Encyclopedia the persecution never stopped. The Jews thought that even the best of gentiles deserved death. But according to some folks around here gentile Christians were welcomed into the synagogues with open arms.

 

[HARK!]

Where did I say or imply that Jesus was talking to Paul's disciples? Did the Jewish persecution ever stop. It certainly continued through the time of Paul. And according to the Jewish Encyclopedia the persecution never stopped. The Jews thought that even the best of gentiles deserved death. But according to some folks around here gentile Christians were welcomed into the synagogues with open arms.

You either trust the scripture or you don't; regardless of what you might infer from the Jewish Encyclopedia.

Acts 18:4
And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Your inferences don't negate scripture, nor do they make Yahshua a liar.

 

[Der Alte]

You either trust the scripture or you don't; regardless of what you might infer from the Jewish Encyclopedia.
Acts 18:4
And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
Your inferences don't negate scripture, nor do they make Yahshua a liar.

No! You make Yeshua a liar by denying that Christians were not persecuted beaten and killed as Yeshua said. There is no such name as Yahshua!
One incident does not a consensus make.
I don't infer anything. I let the facts speak for themselves. The Jews for the most part despised gentiles and and especially Christians. Scripture does not state any different. No matter how much you INFER it does.

 

[pescador]

There appears to be an argument of this form being presented in this thread:

1. Israel was given the food laws;
2. The Gentiles are grafted into Israel;
3. Therefore, the Gentiles should now follow the food laws.

There is a big flaw with this: it could be the case that this new Israel - composed of both Jews and Gentiles - could be liberated from the written code of the Law of Moses.

And the evidence that this is the case is strong indeed.

Never mind the evidence; it's not needed. The "new Israel" is entirely liberated from the written code of the Law of Moses.

 

[1213]

...15 And again, a second time, a voice came to him, "What God cleanses, do not you count contaminating!"....

No, I don’t think it is a green light to violate YHWH's Torah. People should not eat anything unclean. However, if something is cleaned by God, it is not unclean anymore and therefore it can be eaten.

 

[HARK!]

No! You make Yeshua a liar by denying that Christians were not persecuted beaten and killed as Yeshua said.

I did no such thing.

There is no such name as Yahshua!

Nonsense.

One incident does not a consensus make.

Covered this already.

I let the facts speak for themselves.

FACT:


Acts 18:4
And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.


FACT:

(CLV) Ac 15:20
but to write an epistle to them to be abstaining from ceremonial pollution with idols, and prostitution, and what is strangled, and blood.

(CLV) Ac 15:21
For Moses, from ancient generations, city by city, has those who are heralding him, being read on every sabbath in the synagogues."

FACT:

And it came to pass in Iconium, that they went both together into the synagogue of the Jews, and so spake, that a great multitude both of the Jews and also of the Greeks believed.

FACT:

Acts 13:42
And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

 

[expos4ever]

As usual, people bring out statements by Jesus that the Law will continue until "heaven and earth pass".

What they very conveniently do not tell you - and some do this disingenuously since they know otherwise - is that the Bible, as well as other Jewish literature of the time, often uses such "end of the world" imagery as a metaphor to denote significant socio-political change.

 

[pescador]

No! You make Yeshua a liar by denying that Christians were not persecuted beaten and killed as Yeshua said. There is no such name as Yahshua!
One incident does not a consensus make.
I don't infer anything. I let the facts speak for themselves. The Jews for the most part despised gentiles and and especially Christians. Scripture does not state any different. No matter how much you INFER it does.

There is no such name as Yeshua either. Yahshua and Yeshua are both transliterations of יֵשׁוּעַי

 

[HARK!]

Never mind the evidence; it's not needed. The "new Israel" is entirely liberated from the written code of the Law of Moses.

Ezekiel speaks of the Kingdom to come:

(CLV) Ezk 44:23
They shall direct My people to distinguish between the holy and the profane, and they shall inform them the difference between the unclean and the clean.

(CLV) Ezk 44:24
In a controversy it is they who shall officiate in judgment; in accord with My ordinances, thus they will judge it; My laws and My statutes shall they observe at all My appointed times, and My sabbaths shall they hallow.

 

[pescador]

No, I don’t think it is a green light to violate YHWH's Torah. People should not eat anything unclean. However, if something is cleaned by God, it is not unclean anymore and therefore it can be eaten.

There is no such thing as "unclean food". That is a practice of the Old Testament.

Mark 7:18-19... " “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

 

[Der Alte]

There is no such name as Yeshua either. Yahshua and Yeshua are both transliterations of יֵשׁוּעַי

Yeshua is the best יֵשׁוּעַי can be represented in English. Most people don't read Hebrew.

 

[Der Alte]

I did no such thing.



Nonsense.



Covered this already.



FACT:


Acts 18:4
And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.


FACT:

(CLV) Ac 15:20
but to write an epistle to them to be abstaining from ceremonial pollution with idols, and prostitution, and what is strangled, and blood.

(CLV) Ac 15:21
For Moses, from ancient generations, city by city, has those who are heralding him, being read on every sabbath in the synagogues."

FACT:

And it came to pass in Iconium, that they went both together into the synagogue of the Jews, and so spake, that a great multitude both of the Jews and also of the Greeks believed.

FACT:

Acts 13:42
And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Your "facts" cannot supersede these facts.

Matthew 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
Matthew 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
Mark 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
Luke 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
John 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.​

 

[HARK!]

Yeshua is the best יֵשׁוּעַי can be represented in English. Most people don't read Hebrew.

Yahshua lived long before the niqqud.

Yeshu (ישו in the Hebrew alphabet) is the name of an individual or individuals mentioned in rabbinic literature,[1] which historically has been assumed to be a reference to Jesus when used in the Talmud. The name Yeshu is also used in other sources before and after the completion of the Babylonian Talmud. It is also the modern Israeli spelling of Jesus.

Another explanation given is that the name "Yeshu" is actually an acronym for the formula (ימח שמו וזכרו(נו (Y'mach Sh'mo V'Zichro(no)), meaning "may his name and memory be obliterated".

Yeshu - Wikipedia

 

[HARK!]

Your "facts" cannot supersede these facts.
Matthew 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
Matthew 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
Mark 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
Luke 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
John 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

Works both ways my friend. The facts be the facts. Live with it.

 

[pescador]

Yeshua is the best יֵשׁוּעַי can be represented in English. Most people don't read Hebrew.

Just your opinion.

 

[pescador]

Your "facts" cannot supersede these facts.

Matthew 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
Matthew 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
Mark 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
Luke 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
John 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.​

What is this in reply to?

 

[Der Alte]

Just your opinion.

I rarely give my unsupported opinions. I doubt your knowledge of Hebrew is superior to that of the native Hebrew speaking scholars who wrote this article.

Jewish Encyclopedia-Names of God
In appearance, Yhwh (יהוה) is the third person singular imperfect "kal" of the verb ( הוה ("to be"), meaning, therefore, "He is," or "He will be," or, perhaps, "He lives," the root idea of the word being, probably, "to blow," "to breathe," and hence, "to live." With this explanation agrees the meaning of the name given in Ex. iii. 14, where God is represented as speaking, and hence as using the first person—"I am" (אהיה, from ( היה, the later equivalent of the archaic stem ( הוה). The meaning would, therefore, be "He who is self-existing, self-sufficient," or, more concretely, "He who lives," the abstract conception of pure existence being foreign to Hebrew thought. There is no doubt that the idea of life was intimately connected with the name Yhwh from early times. He is the living God, as contrasted with the lifeless gods of the heathen, and He is the source and author of life (comp. I Kings xviii.; Isa. xli. 26-29, xliv. 6-20; Jer. x. 10, 14; Gen. ii. 7; etc.). So familiar is this conception of God to the Hebrew mind that it appears in the common formula of an oath, "hai Yhwh" ( חי־יהוה = "as Yhwh lives"; Ruth iii. 13; I Sam. xiv. 45; etc.).
If the explanation of the form above given be the true one, the original pronunciation must have been Yahweh ((יהוה) or Yahaweh (יהוה). From this the contracted form Jah or Yah (יה ) is most readily explained, and also the forms Jeho or Yeho (יהו ), and Jo or Yo (יו contracted from יהו , which the word assumes in combination in the first part of compound proper names, and Yahu or Yah (יהו ) in the second part of such names. The fact may also be mentioned that in Samaritan poetry יהוה rimes with words similar in ending to Yahweh, and Theodoret ("Quæst. 15 in Exodum") states that the Samaritans pronounced the name Iαβέ. Epiphanius ascribes the same pronunciation to an early Christian sect. Clement of Alexandria, still more exactly, pronounces 'Iαουέ or 'Iαουαί, and Origen, 'Iα. Aquila wrote the name in archaic Hebrew letters. In the Jewish-Egyptian magic-papyri it appears as Ιαωουηε. At least as early as the third century B.C. the name seems to have been regarded by the Jews as a "nomen ineffabile," on the basis of a somewhat extreme interpretation of Ex. xx. 7 and Lev. xxiv. 11 (see Philo, "De Vita Mosis," iii. 519, 529). Written only in consonants, the true pronunciation was forgotten by them. The Septuagint, and after it the New Testament, invariably render κύριος ("the Lord").
Jewish Encyclopedia online​