Peter Is Not The Rock!

beamishboy · Sep 26, 2008

Annolennar said:
The greek word for riffraff is "hoi polloi". I wonder if thats in the NT?

Yes, it's found in the NT and sometimes translated "the Apostles". That's what they were - riff-raffs or hoi polloi.

Annolennar · Sep 26, 2008

beamishboy said:
Don't know about sarcasm. I'm not good at that. My teacher always complains that I miss the sarcasm in a piece of prose when it's there. I'm sometimes tempted to tell him that the beamishboy is a Knight of Truth and Knights of Truth don't do sarcasm. We just call a spade a spade. Hehe.

But riff-raffs is a variant of "veritas" which means TRUTH in Latin. I can understand why Annolennar says the RCC strives to keep it out.

Sarcasm?

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 26, 2008

Originally Posted by Annolennar

The greek word for riffraff is "hoi polloi". I wonder if thats in the NT?

Sounds pretty close to this word

Reve 9:11 and they are having on them a king, the messenger of the abyss, name to him to-Hebrew, abaddwn <3>, and in the greecian name he is having apolluwn <623>. [Exodus 12:23/Luke 21:28]

623. Apolluon ap-ol-loo'-ohn active participle of 622; a destroyer (i.e. Satan):--Apollyon

Annolennar · Sep 26, 2008

LittleLambofJesus said:
Sounds pretty close to this word

Reve 9:11 and they are having on them a king, the messenger of the abyss, name to him to-Hebrew, abaddwn <3>, and in the greecian name he is having apolluwn <623>. [Exodus 12:23/Luke 21:28]

623. Apolluon ap-ol-loo'-ohn active participle of 622; a destroyer (i.e. Satan):--Apollyon

Ooh, thats interesting.

I must admit though, I always thought it sounded like some kind of fish. Maybe grilled in some sauce... Mmmm.

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 26, 2008

Annolennar said:
Ooh, thats interesting.

I must admit though, I always thought it sounded like some kind of fish. Maybe grilled in some sauce... Mmmm.

Kinda like how grapes are made into wine?

John 15:1 I AM the Vine/ampeloV <288> the True, and the Father of Me the Farmer/Dresser/gewrgoV <1092> is.

Reve 14:18 And another messenger came out of the altar having authority upon the fire, and he sounds a voice great, to the one having the sickle, the sharp, saying: "Send! of thee the sickle, the sharp/keen, and pick! the clusters of the Vine/ampelou of the land, that ripe the grapes of her. 19 And did cast the messenger the sickle of him into the land, and picks the Vine/ampelon of the land. And he did cast into the winepress of the fury of the God, the great. [Isaiah 5/Matt 13]

Annolennar · Sep 26, 2008

LittleLambofJesus said:
Kinda like how grapes are made into wine?

John 15:1 I AM the Vine/ampeloV <288> the True, and the Father of Me the Farmer/Dresser/gewrgoV <1092> is.

Reve 14:18 And another messenger came out of the altar having authority upon the fire, and he sounds a voice great, to the one having the sickle, the sharp, saying: "Send! of thee the sickle, the sharp/keen, and pick! the clusters of the Vine/ampelou of the land, that ripe the grapes of her. 19 And did cast the messenger the sickle of him into the land, and picks the Vine/ampelon of the land. And he did cast into the winepress of the fury of the God, the great. [Isaiah 5/Matt 13]

White wine goes well with halibut.

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 26, 2008

Annolennar said:
White wine goes well with halibut.

What does Red wine go with?

Reve 14:20 And was trodden the winepress outside of the City, and came out blood out of the winepress until of the bits of the horses, from stadias, thousands six-hundreds.

Revelation 11:2 and the court, the without of the Sanctuary, be thou Casting-Out/ek-bale <1544> (5628)! out-side, and no her thou should be measuring,

Annolennar · Sep 26, 2008

LittleLambofJesus said:
What does Red wine go with?

Reve 14:20 And was trodden the winepress outside of the City, and came out blood out of the winepress until of the bits of the horses, from stadias, thousands six-hundreds.

Revelation 11:2 and the court, the without of the Sanctuary, be thou Casting-Out/ek-bale <1544> (5628)! out-side, and no her thou should be measuring,

I think its supposed to go well with beef. So white wine with fish and chicken, and red wine with heavier meats.

However, If I were going to drink red wine, I'd make sure I knew which winepress it was coming out of first.

sunlover1 · Sep 26, 2008

Annolennar said:
I think its supposed to go well with beef. So white wine with fish and chicken, and red wine with heavier meats.

However, If I were going to drink red wine, I'd make sure I knew which winepress it was coming out of first.

OT
Sheeeeeesh, you're making me hungry already lol.
And thirsty too. I have white and also red in the fridge,
wine that is but not sure where it came from.. hmm
I think I'll have white wine, with red meat, (ribs sounds good)
just to be a rebel.

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 26, 2008

Annolennar said:
I think its supposed to go well with beef. So white wine with fish and chicken, and red wine with heavier meats.

However, If I were going to drink red wine, I'd make sure I knew which winepress it was coming out of first.

I prefer a Lone Star Beer but would not pass up Red Wine

Luke 3:6 And shall-be-seeing All flesh the Salvation of the God.'

Reve 19:17 And I perceived one messenger standing in the sun and he cries in voice, great, saying to all the birds, the ones flying in the mid heaven, "hither! be ye being gathered! into the Supper, the great, of the God. 18 That ye may be eating fleshes............" [Ezekiel 38/39]

sunlover1 · Sep 26, 2008

LittleLambofJesus said:
I prefer a Lone Star Beer but would not pass up Red Wine

Luke 3:6 And shall-be-seeing All flesh the Salvation of the God.'

Reve 19:17 And I perceived one messenger standing in the sun and he cries in voice, great, saying to all the birds, the ones flying in the mid heaven, "hither! be ye being gathered! into the Supper, the great, of the God. 18 That ye may be eating fleshes............" [Ezekiel 38/39]

I think beer would go much better with ribs. Sam Adams.
But I drink wine... like Peter did... in moderation.

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 26, 2008

sunlover1 said:
I think beer would go much better with ribs. Sam Adams.
But I drink wine... like Peter did... in moderation.

Yeah. A little wine is good for the body. I actually like a Jack Daniels and coke before a steak dinner then Tea afterwards
Remember how they thought they were drunke with wine at Pentecost? I was reading thru Genesis and that event in Chapt 15 kinda stood out at me for some reason as it resembled this event. Maybe I also am "drunk on wine"

Acts 2:1 And in to the to be together-filled the day of the Pentecost were all likewise upon the same. 2 And became suddenly out of the Heaven a blare, as-even of carrying of blast, forcible and it fills whole the house where they were sitting. 3 And were seen to them as dividing tongues as if of fire and is seated upon one each of them. 4 And they are filled all a spirit, holy-one, and they begin to be speaking to different tounges according as the spirit gave to be uttering to them. 5 There were yet in Jerusalem dwelling Judeans, pious men from every nation of the under the Heaven.

Genesis 15:17 And the sun is become set and twilight became and behold! an oven of smoke and a torch of fire which passed between the severed-ones, these, 18 In that day YHWH cut with Abram a Covenant to say of 'to thy seed I give this land from river of Egypt as far as the river, the great river Euphrates.19 the Qeyniy and the Q@nizziy and the Qadmoniy and the Chittiy and the P@rizziy and the rapha' and the 'Emoriy and the K@na`aniy and the Girgashiy and the Y@buwciy'

Photini · Sep 26, 2008

mmmmm.....beer and ribs......

Annolennar · Sep 26, 2008

Its past lunchtime where I'm at, and I still haven't eaten. -sad-

What about venison? I guess it would go well with the same things as beef would?

sunlover1 · Sep 26, 2008

LittleLambofJesus said:
Yeah. A little wine is good for the body. I actually like a Jack Daniels and coke before a steak dinner then Tea afterwards

Woah, I dont know that I could do that jack and coke and stay sober.
But what's up with the tea after? lol.

Remember how they thought they were drunke with wine at Pentecost? I was reading thru Genesis and that event in Chapt 15 kinda stood out at me for some reason as it resembled this event. Maybe I also am "drunk on wine"

Why DID they think they were drunk Lamb?
And yeah, sometimes I wonder bout ya too

Photini said:
mmmmm.....beer and ribs......

Mmm, lol ribs and bar-b-q sauce.

Annolennar said:
Its past lunchtime where I'm at, and I still haven't eaten. -sad-

That is sad! Me too. I had five crackers and five pieces of cheddar cheese
for lunch so I'm feeling your pain.

What about venison? I guess it would go well with the same things as beef would?

Well I eat venison often, do you hunt your own or do they sell it
where you live?
We usually have it with water or milk

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 26, 2008

Woah, I dont know that I could do that jack and coke and stay sober.
But what's up with the tea after? lol.
Why DID they think they were drunk Lamb?
And yeah, sometimes I wonder bout ya too

For the same reason the atheists, Jews and Muslims think we are drunk or delusion on our view of the Lord JESUS.
Remember what Jesus did after turning the water into wine

John 2:10 and saith to him, `Every man, at first, the good wine doth set forth; and when they may have drunk freely, then the inferior; thou didst keep the good wine till now.' 11 This beginning of the signs did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested his glory, and his disciples believed in him; 12 after this he went down to Capernaum, he, and his mother, and his brethren, and his disciples; and there they remained not many days. 13 And the passover of the Jews was nigh, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem, 14 and he found in the temple those selling oxen, and sheep, and doves, and the money-changers sitting, 15 and having made a whip of small cords, he put all forth out of the temple, also the sheep, and the oxen; and of the money-changers he poured out the coins, and the tables he overthrew,

Annolennar · Sep 26, 2008

sunlover1 said:
Well I eat venison often, do you hunt your own or do they sell it
where you live?

One of my favorite places to eat (a little family run place) has it (sometimes). I'm pretty good with a bow, but I'm not much for the whole hunting scene.

We usually have it with water or milk

That works too! Being in a dry county, thats probably my only option.

prodromos · Sep 26, 2008

archierieus said:
We can do that, and at the same time, if we are sincere, we reasonably will have a desire to find out more and more of God's truth from His holy Word, the Bible. And the Holy Spirit is sent to bring believers into one accord ON THE BASIS OF THE BIBLE. (Jn. 17)

God's Word encompasses much more than the bible.

John

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 26, 2008

prodromos said:
God's Word encompasses much more than the bible.

John

Does your church trust the words of the early ECFs more than you do of your own view of it?

archierieus · Sep 26, 2008

prodromos said:
God's Word encompasses much more than the bible.

John

And there, Monsieur, you have concisely stated a fundamental, indeed a watershed difference. The Reformed belief is that the Bible stands alone, in a class and on a height by itself, whereas the Early Christian Fathers and any other source are below, and to be judged according to the Bible.

As for the ECF's, I should like to point out that Paul the apostle warned that there would be a falling way, that "the mystery of iniquity doth already work," and that, as he said to the church leaders from Ephesus, "from among your own selves" grievous wolves would arise, not sparing the flock.

Starting as early as the Second Century, the falling away predicted by both Paul and Peter was already in progress. The apostolic generation, the "eyewitnesses of His glory" were the writers of the Bible. What came after them, just as what came after Joshua and the elders of Israel in their day, became more and more tainted with the world, hence unreliable as a standard of truth.

Thus the chasm between these two great religious systems. There are indeed points of commonality, but as for the standard of faith and belief, they are miles apart--"and never the twain shall meet." Why? Because adherents of the Reformed faiths will never--repeat never lower the standard of God's holy Word, the Bible--even should their lives be on the line. "Faith of our fathers, burning still, in spite of dungeon, fire and sword . . ."

Dave

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