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Funny thing that is. But in deferrence to your intent, I shall refrain from posting to you in the future, with the exception of official actions, of which I will recuse myself and defer to other moderators.That sucks, I can't ignore a moderator whose being rude?
Many left Jesus because of His "Hard teachings" just as they left Paul here.
This one "anti-Paul" site took advantage of it.
2 Timothy 1:15 thou hast known this, that they did turn from/apestrafhsan <654> me--all those in the Asia, of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes;
http://www.judaismvschristianity.com/paulthe.htm
If these five reasons are not enough to seriously call into question Paul's status as an apostle there is one more. It is a most interesting quote from Paul's own pen that finally seals the fate of his supposed apostleship. It comes from his second letter to Timothy, which was also written during the same Neronian persecution in which John was given the Revelation. This letter is believed by many scholars to contain the last recorded words of Paul. Here he makes a short statement of lament that seems to have gone unnoticed. The implications of which are astounding if one is able to hear everything that is being said. Paul says to Timothy:
"This you know, that all those in Asia have turned away from me." 2Timothy 1:15
Asia! All of them! Rejecting Paul! And when he says, "This you know", it sounds like this must have been relatively common knowledge at that time. Asia! The very place that Yahshua told John to write, where his seven churches were! And they were alive, and obviously had been established for some time. Again, notice that Paul did not say that Asia had rejected Yahshua. Obviously they hadn't rejected Yahshua if there were thriving churches there that Yahshua wanted to address through John. Instead Paul said that all Asia had rejected him personally!
do you mean at the time of the crucifixion ?
Thanks !Hi ThelkaNo he was speaking of here I believe
Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
Peace
Fireinfolding
Thanks !
I was trying to figure out what you were meaning ... thats all I could think of
Hi ThelkaNo he was speaking of here I believe
Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
Peace
Fireinfolding
Duh.Just for the sake of keeping things upfront and forthright...
Amor and I have asked each other for forgiveness, apoligies have been accepted and forgiveness granted.
Now, off to do yard work.
God bless,
Jay
LOL Evryone looked to Peter and then Paul corrected him.
No where are we told to imitate Peter. we are told to imitate Paul as he imitates Christ.
Why didn't they pick Paul for the first pope? Did the lots just not fall that way?
Because "they" didn't do it, Christ did. Take it up with Him.
The Word of Yahuweh can't be any plainer than this.
The Savior for whom the Rock was named, asked His disciples the most important question ever posed: "Who do you say (lego - affirm and maintain, advise and teach) I Am (eimi - I exist and am present as)?" To which, a disciple named for the astuteness of his revelation, responded: "Simon (a transliteration of the Hebrew name Shimown, meaning to listen, understand, discern, regard, and proclaim) Petros (a masculine proper name meaning pebble or stone) gave the answer, The Messiah, the Son of the living God." (Matthew 16:15-16)
Affirming this live-saving truth, "Yahushua said (lego), Blessed (makarios - a poetic term denoting transcendent happiness in a life beyond labor and death) are you Shimown (the one who listens, understands, discerns, regards, and proclaims), son of (bar) Yonah (from yownah, meaning the dove; the name of a Yahudi sent to Nineveh, Assyria whose life and book serve as a prophetic metaphor for Yahushua saving Gentiles), because flesh and blood did not make this manifest (apokalupto - disclose by baring), but My Father who is in Heaven." (Matthew 16:17) As is usually true with Scripture, every name and nuance was carefully chosen, revealing subtle and profound truths.
What follows is important. Petros/Peter isnt the petra/bedrock. The recognition that "Yahushua is the Messiah, the Son of the living God," is the foundation upon which the ekklesia/called-out assembly would be restored and established. Beyond the evidence sprinkled throughout the Tanach, identifying the Rock with Yahshua, "Petros" was a man and every reference to "petra/bedrock" is feminine.
"Indeed (de), I (kago) say (logos) concerning this (hoti - as a marker of equivalence for identifying and explaining this) to you (soi), you (su) are (ei) Petros (a masculine proper noun meaning pebble or stone), and (kai) upon/by/in/with (epi - "upon" when used with things that are at rest, "by" when used in relationship to people, "with" when used in connection with authority, and "in" used in reference to an observation) this one (taute - singular feminine demonstrative pronoun) Rock (petra - bedrock, a feminine noun; a large stone which projects itself) I shall build by edifying, promoting, and restoring (oikodomeo - rebuild and establish, strengthen and enable, instruct and improve) My (mou) called out gathering (ekklesia)." (Matthew 16:18)
English translations all leave "hoti/concerning this" out of their renderings of Yahshuas answer. Had it been included, no rational person would have thought that Petros, rather than his answer, was the foundation of the ekklesia. The source of edification and restoration is the Savior, not his flawed and imperfect disciple.
Believing Peter is the Rock is irrational and delusional. The evidence of Yahuweh's Word is irrevocable/irrefutable and supercedes, trumps, pre-empts, negates, refutes, and proves to be a lie all that oppose/contradict it, whether said opposition is human or church dogma.
Reminds me of the story of the King of Babylon when he came to a "crossroad".
Ezekiel 21:21 For stood hath the king of Babylon at the head of the way, At the top of the two ways, to use divination, He hath moved lightly with the arrows, He hath asked at the teraphim, He hath looked on the liver.
Jesus was expressing His elegant sense of humor & irony by naming Peter "Rock".
Make the bufoon the leader to emphasize dependance upon God, not man. I mean, Peter was definitely enthused, but wantin' to heap stones at the transfiguration, denying Jesus thrice, cavin' in to circumcision... definitely not infallible.
Well then, I will just be "Bullwinkle".It works because I'm a papist. If Jesus can use a guy like Rocky, certainly he can use a guy like me!
My heart is filled with joy.
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