Personal project the Trinity

[Clintjohnson]

Hello I am fairly new here and wanted to know where to post this, just wanted some help about finding scripture that proves the trinity for myself and if it is good enough maybe I will share elsewhere too. Thanks


TRINITY

1 There is only one God:

Rom 3:30 - Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

2 The Father is God:

Jhn 6:27 - Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

3 Jesus is God:

Jhn 8:58 - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Jhn 10:30 - I and my Father are one.

4 The Holy Spirit is God:

Act 5:3 - But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Act 5:4 - Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
Act 5:5 - And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.

5 The three are distinct persons but are only one God:

Jhn 14:16 - And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Jhn 14:17 - Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

 

[St_Worm2]

Hi @Clintjohnson, I think this might have been better placed on the General Theology board, or on one of its sub-forums, specifically this one: Paterology, Christology & Pneumatology

As for Scriptures that help us understand the nature of the Godhead, these few come immediately to mind.

Genesis 1
26 God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

Matthew 28
19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the 'name' [singular] of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit." (IOW, we are to baptize in the name of God ... and His name is, "the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost" - one God/three Persons)

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.

14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
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God bless you!

--David

 

[Clintjohnson]

Thank you david o was baptized in jesus name is that sufficient because name is singular does that mean he name to the father son and holy spirit is jesus?

 

[Clintjohnson]

I'm trying to figure out the denominations that agree with the trinity. So I can go to church nearby. Are jahovas into the trinity? Sorry if it is a.silly question same for oneness pentecostals jahovas I think do not look at jesus as God so they are probably not my church

 

[Clintjohnson]

I will post this tomorrow in the right category

 

[St_Worm2]

...does that mean .. the father son and holy spirit is jesus?

Absolutely not

Being baptized in Jesus' name is certainly appropriate however (He is God, after all, as is His Father and the Holy Spirit, of course), even if it does not follow the exact instructions that the Lord gave us in Matthew 28.

I don't believe that a proper Christian baptism requires that we follow an exact method, or that an exact set of words are spoken in a prescribed order, like we are performing some kind of incantation (and I think that Jesus commanding us to baptize in the Triune Name, and St. Peter choosing to baptize in Jesus' name instead, helps us understand that fact .. I believe St. Peter chose to baptize in Jesus' name when He did for a specific reason, just FYI).

--David

 

[Clintjohnson]

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.

14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.


does rhis show all three in action?

 

[Clintjohnson]

Silly question is just because I am weird and have autism I feel that it is in correct. But to baptize in the holy spirit would he wrong right? Now if jesus was baptized in the father son and holy spirit. Why do so many peoe say it is wrong g and that jesus is the only name?

 

[St_Worm2]

I'm trying to figure out the denominations that agree with the trinity. So I can go to church nearby. Are jahovas into the trinity? Sorry if it is a.silly question same for oneness pentecostals jahovas I think do not look at jesus as God so they are probably not my church

Oneness folks believe that Jesus is the Father and the Holy Spirit too. JW's believe that Jesus is Michael the Archangel, a created being, and that the HS is simply a force of some kind from/of God, not a Divine Person. So neither Oneness nor JW's believe in the Trinity/the Triune nature of the Godhead.

Here's something that is a fun way of learning what the Trinity is, and particularly what it is not. Be sure to listen all the way to the end for the funny tag at the end of the video

 

[hedrick]

Silly question is just because I am weird and have autism I feel that it is in correct. But to baptize in the holy spirit would he wrong right? Now if jesus was baptized in the father son and holy spirit. Why do so many peoe say it is wrong g and that jesus is the only name?

Jesus was baptized with the baptism of John. Christian baptism is connected with it, but isn't quite the same thing. I don't think you should feel that you have to use the same words that John did.

 

[Clintjohnson]

The what creed? St worm 2 from that cartoon.

 

[St_Worm2]

Silly question is just because I am weird and have autism I feel that it is in correct. But to baptize in the holy spirit would he wrong right? Now if jesus was baptized in the father son and holy spirit. Why do so many peoe say it is wrong g and that jesus is the only name?

I believe that only Oneness Pentecostals and one or two other denominations insist that baptism in Jesus' name only is required. They also believe that the grace of salvation is imparted in the waters of baptism ALONE*.

*(I was part of an ecumenical prison ministry, and we took turns, the various denominations/churches, that is, delivering the sermon each Sunday. I remember standing up out of my seat when a pastor from the Church of Christ denomination (non-instrumental, I believe) was preaching and told the inmates that they could 1. come to faith in Christ today if they wanted to, but that 2. they'd have to wait until they got out of prison to actually be saved, because they couldn't be properly baptized until then (completely submersed in water with the exact words from Acts spoken over them while they were).

Fortunately, there was always a time after the sermon for interacting with/counseling the inmates, so I spent my time reassuring as many as I could that whenever they choose to come to saving faith in Christ, even if they are still locked up, that they would be saved from the very moment that they first believed .. cf John 5:24 (as did everyone from every other church/denomination that was represented there that day).

--David

 

[Clintjohnson]

That is powerful:
John 5:24 King James Version (KJV)
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Wow that is powerful. I to believe that deep down the word is where it is at and he who believes I it shall not parish but have everlasting life.

 

[Clintjohnson]

Still not sure on the church to attend. I've been studying for 17 years on my own and now want to attend a church. This will be more on the aspect of their similarities to my beliefs thou for bible study and hot their worship. It hard because some do not believe in hell or turn pr burn. I am still I the process of turning and want to find a church that accepts sinners and hot just saints. I believe a church should be a boot camp for saints and that some should let In sinners to repent

 

[Clintjohnson]

How's this church:
Home - Grace Bible Church of Windsor

 

[St_Worm2]

That is powerful:
John 5:24 King James Version (KJV)
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Wow that is powerful. I to believe that deep down the word is where it is at and he who believes I it shall not parish but have everlasting life.

I agree And it is perhaps even more so when you realize what the Greek verb tenses are & mean when the Lord used them here to say,"hath" everlasting life (present tense with the contextual aspect being, "now and forevermore") ... as well "is passed" from death to life is in the perfect tense (which refers to a present reality or state of being that is the result of an action that has already been completed)

 

[Clintjohnson]

I read that jesus forgave a murderer on the cross and he did not get baptized. Was this correct or just person with faith?

 

[St_Worm2]

I read that jesus forgave a murderer on the cross and he did not get baptized. Was this correct or just person with faith?

Jesus forgave/saved a thief who was hanging on one of the crosses next to Him (I don't believe that he was a murderer too?), and yes, his salvation was obviously accomplished apart from water baptism.

That is an excellent point

 

[Radagast]

I'm trying to figure out the denominations that agree with the trinity.

Pretty much all Christians accept the Trinity. You need to accept the Trinity to be counted as a Christian here on CF.

These people do NOT accept the Trinity:

• Jehovah's Witnesses
• Oneness Pentecostals
• (Some) Messianic Jews
• Mormons
• Unitarians

 

[Clintjohnson]

Thanks radagast I am..almost there.