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Perpetual Victimhood Concept

Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality' started by IceJad, Jul 20, 2019.

  1. IceJad

    IceJad Regular Member

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    Let me define my understanding of the concept of perpetual victimhood. A group of people either by nationality, ethnic, racial or religion internalized the injustice experienced a percentage of them to be injustice done to all of them eternally and passes down from generation to generation. And those who did the injustice will have their entire group eternally carries the same crime from generation to generation.

    My stance is that I don't subscribe to it. It is a cycle of indefensible hate for another based solely on the person's associations. And many time that association is not by choice, rather by circumstance beyond reasonable control.

    It also creates enemies where none are to be found. For victims to exist there must be victimizers. This forces the victims to project innocent people as their victimizers based on association.

    Because this is inter-generational, the victims are people who have never experience the injustice on an individual level. They just take the experience of injustice as their own and force others to accept likewise whether others want to or not. This leave the next generation of "victims" forever demanding restitution and apologies. And the next generation of "victimizers" forever paying recompense and apologizing for acts they never do.

    Perpetual victimhood only stumbles the future generations from moving forward. And it absolutely destroys the chance of reconciliation. I'm not for forgetting the past but for removing inter-generational internalization of injustice.

    The sins of the father is not the sins of the son. This is not justice. It the exact opposite.

    I do not have to ask forgiveness on other's behalf as I want not an apology from a person on another's behalf.
     
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  2. essentialsaltes

    essentialsaltes Stranger in a Strange Land

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    I don't think anybody does.
     
  3. RayJeena

    RayJeena Humble and proud of it. Supporter

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    Exactly.

    This is why I don't subscribe to the concept of Adam and Eve's
    sin being my sin. My individual wrongdoings, done by me -- the
    individual -- are the ones for which I'm personally responsible.
     
  4. LaBèlla

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    For me, victimhood is a death sentence and a slow march to its fulfillment. I’ve never embraced that concept or wedged a pity pot beneath me either.

    Things happen and sometimes they’re bad. No one would dispute this. But what defines a man isn’t the things that happen to him; but how he deals with them.

    Sometimes challenges are opportunities for greatness or our obliteration. Pointing fingers never won any medals or measure of achievement. That requires effort and grit.

    If given the choice between a bar and a pit I’m going to start leaping. Failure isn’t an option nor is quitting. The lone choice I have is to utilize the gifts and talents I’ve been given to create opportunities for tomorrow.
     
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  5. IceJad

    IceJad Regular Member

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    While it's a desired state. Daily I find too many real life examples that prove otherwise. In every part of the world. There are people who practice victimhood.

    It is so pervasive that politicians and governments have weaponized it as a cudgel against their rivals. It has been too easy to rile up support solely by playing the victimhood card.
     
  6. essentialsaltes

    essentialsaltes Stranger in a Strange Land

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    Such as?

    reference: "injustice done to all of them eternally and passes down from generation to generation"
     
  7. zephcom

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    The one which comes to mind for me are the decedents of those who fought for the former Confederate States. They do appear to have adopted generational victim-hood.
     
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  8. Desk trauma

    Desk trauma Atheist Capitalist Supporter

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    Oh but they have.

    Still flying the flag of their failed rebellion, pushing all kinds of lost cause nonsense history, casting dispersion on their fellow countrymen, crying they will rise again.
     
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  9. Landon Caeli

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    I think Trump supporters like myself are the biggest victims of bullying. People just seem to act all weird and stuff when I tell them Trump is my idol... But he is.

    ...I guess everyone must experience this feeling in one way or another at least once in a while.
     
  10. RayJeena

    RayJeena Humble and proud of it. Supporter

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    If they're fellow Christians, they may just be stumbling over the "idol"
    part of the statement. Idolatry is supposedly a no-no in many Christian
    circles.
     
  11. Landon Caeli

    Landon Caeli Well-Known Member

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    I swear... Trump's my idol.
     
  12. bhsmte

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    IMO, victimhood is a tool used by many who would rather play victim, than be accountable.
     
  13. Kaon

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    Someone asking you to say sorry for what your parents did may be them acting like a donkey; a white kid born after 9/11, for example, shouldn't have to apologize for slavery.

    However, the problem is that there are many of us who are still reaping the benefits of segregation and racist law and practice. What causes problems is the ignorance of these things, or a straight out denial.

    Too many people in America ignore the framework of racism and discrimination ingrained in systems because

    1) it forces them to be responsible for their exploitation of a system that benefits them and detriment other groups

    2) it forces them to confront their own involvement in perpetuating this system.

    1) and 2) are where legitimate guilt can come in - especially if one is honest enough to examine one's self through these two alone.

    It is clear America's little problem with people who are darker than a manilla folder, or have a name that sounds like they came from a $##@ country, but the problem is getting all the people who benefit from that system to fight the denial, and be honest about it - which would endanger the benefits in the first place.

    At this point, there is no point in trying to mend race relations in America, because they cannot be mended until we are honest about the isms and discrimination in the nation, and how we passively marginalize these people with our complacency and ignorance - or by calling them liars every time they "play the victim" of something we don't pay any attention to.
     
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  14. Strathos

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    That is problematic. And if you had said that Obama or Bernie Sanders were your idol, that would be equally problematic.
     
  15. Pommer

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    Why?
     
  16. RayJeena

    RayJeena Humble and proud of it. Supporter

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    I hear ya. I have my idols, too (not anyone in the political arena at the
    moment, though).
     
  17. IceJad

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    I'm not an American or a Westerner or White. My post is mostly influence by the things happening in East Asia and South East Asia. But I'm well verse on US history. I know of the American Civil War to the civil rights movement to the divisive politics that permeate American society now.

    Everyone reaps benefits from acts of others whether is good or bad. Doesn't give us the right to force the "benefactors" to pay recompense. To ask others to check their privilege is the wrong mind set. It's an extension of crime by association. It's no different that walking up to their face and telling them they are the victimizers.

    Every country has racism problem. From every race of people. It's not unique to the US. Racism is not unique to one race. Your focus on benefits and how people should be honest with it is far from fixing the root of the problem. You're just appropriating blame on other people. Do you believe that people in general go out of their way to make sure others don't get the same benefits as themselves?

    The way to fix the problem is not to dismantle the system now but to make sure everyone regardless of race benefits from the system. Everyone gets to participate in the system that have benefited what was previously exclusive to only certain people. Instead of saying "check your privilege" how about "let's get all the same privilege". The outcome will be the same but the way you get there will be different. One makes enemies of people the other open doors for friendship.

    The point of no return is when the point you give up.
     
  18. Kaon

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    It doesn't matter if you are American or Western, really. It follows the same psychological pattern everywhere, because humans are easily manipulated through psychology and sense of security.


    False equivalencies breed more ignorance and confusion. Racism is a very specific beast. Marginalizing racism is why all of us are where we are today. Ignoring racism until a group or groups feel like it is too much (despite the pleas of others) is why we are where we are today. It is about comfort, tribalism and anthropological totem. Ethnic minorities aren't welcome anywhere except for a facade of multiculturalism that one hopes hides one's own ignorance and prejudice. People can lie to themselves all they want; that is their sovereign right as a human.

    You can also fight a wall if you want, or you can gather the tools to make a hole through it. Doing the same things we have been doing, with an "invictus" attitude is EXACTLY why you have your question in the OP.

    False equivalencies and fighting walls is why the world is where it is, and it is the fault of the people for buying into false equivalencies and psychological ignorance. Now that we are in "it," people want to cry out, protest and join/start a cause? Wow.



    This stuff is only an issue because people that are considered worth something/matter were starting to feel the effects of a broken, ridiculous system of privilege, pride and discrimination. Now, we have to do something, yea?

    Like I said, everyone is too late. We already ignored as many people as possible who told us all about this several decades ago - around the world. Activism now is EXACTLY what is expected of our race of lemmings - which is why we are always "caught off gaurd" by something.

    And, by the way: I said it is futility to mend race relations unless people are honest with themselves.
     
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  19. LaBèlla

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    I don’t believe anyone should apologize for being born into conditions that are better than others. Irrespective of hue.

    I have not and will never feel guilt or apologize for where God placed me, brought me, or what He’s leading me towards.

    That doesn’t give me the right to be unkind or belittle anyone. But it doesn’t entitle others to scorn or demands.
     
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