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[PERMANENTLY CLOSED] A problem at the bottom of reason

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True Scotsman

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Hopefully, the operator is.
It might be a computer. And relying on the results of the experiment would presuppose that we could accurately read the dials and read outs of the instrument doing the measuring without affecting them.
 
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(1) He said He was. I have no reason to doubt Him.
(2) That is a philosophical construct which may or may not have any connection to reality.
(3) Truth is a concrete reality; His name is Wonderful Counselor, The Mighty God, the Prince of Peace, AKA: Jesus of Nazareth, the Word of God.
(4) I don't want to say God is a concept any more than I would want to say that you are a concept.
(5) Yes, God is unique.

The problem with philosophy is that, while philosophers argue about the existence of their dinner, they starve to death.
 
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Metaphysical woo-woo.
 
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It might be a computer. And relying on the results of the experiment would presuppose that we could accurately read the dials and read outs of the instrument doing the measuring without affecting them.

That has worked pretty well so far. It has enabled man to go from the first powered flight to landing a man on the moon in 67 years.

They must have been reading the dials correctly.
 
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Truth Is Jesus, according to Jesus.

The problem with "non-contradictory, objective identification of the facts of reality" is that quantum mechanics has demonstrated that objective reality changes when you observe it.
If Jesus ever wrote anything, it didn't survive, so we have no idea of anything Jesus was according to.
 
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If Jesus ever wrote anything, it didn't survive, so we have no idea of anything Jesus was according to.

That is nonsense.

If you don't want to believe, just say so. You don't have to fabricate excuses.
 
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Well then what's the problem. If anything proves that we are able to observe reality without changing it it is the photos coming back from the Pluto probe. The fact that it is actually there is the result of a process where a tiny error would spell disaster. Also if it is true that observing a photon collapses the wave function, then that fact would obtain independently of anyone's conscious wishes or desires. Our senses work by being effected by the objects in reality, it's not at all unreasonable that this physical process would effect the photons in that interaction. It would be a part of the causal process that enables us to see. It would be a part of our means of awareness. The fact that our means of awareness has a specific set of attributes and acts in specific ways is what makes them possible
 
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Metaphysical woo-woo.
nOW...don't be tempted to look at things through worldly glasses and revert back to worldly terms. That will just mess you up. If you just stay on the shore and woo-woo, you may as well be the kid who was told not to get wet ... Jump in!
 
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nOW...don't be tempted to look at things through worldly glasses and revert back to worldly terms. That will just mess you up. If you just stay on the shore and woo-woo, you may as well be the kid who was told not to get wet ... Jump in!
The only person messed up here is the one who believes in metaphysical woo-woo. Good on ya'.
 
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Truth Is Jesus, according to Jesus.

The problem with "non-contradictory, objective identification of the facts of reality" is that quantum mechanics has demonstrated that objective reality changes when you observe it.

When did quantum mechanics demonstrate that?
 
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(2) That is a philosophical construct which may or may not have any connection to reality.

Really? Then the same would apply to your statement. So in other words we can't know anything for sure except the Bible is true, is that it? Give me a break.
 
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Really? Then the same would apply to your statement. So in other words we can't know anything for sure except the Bible is true, is that it? Give me a break.

Those are your "other words", not mine.

Take a break.
 
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Demonstrate which, that Jesus is the Truth or that reality changes when observed?

I was talking about reality changing when observed. I didn't think quantum mechanics got into Jesus much.
 
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