• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

Razare

God gave me a throne
Nov 20, 2014
1,051
394
✟25,847.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
So here is how it happened...

I was mushroom picking for Morel Mushrooms this season like I often do, but I got more enthused than normal. Then I learned you can grow mushrooms at home! So I bought some mushroom identification books and growing books.

Then I saw a graph chart in one chapter about "permaculture". This is basically planting and keeping animals in a life-cycle loop which is sustainable. It minimizes external inputs, and mushroom growing works perfectly along-side it since they will produce a great compost and food. Also, I was seeing I could put Morel spore solutions into my gardens, and they would grow symbiotically with plant root systems.

But Permaculture is much bigger than this! It is like putting together a system which operates on the local environment. I'm not a tree hugger either, I just think this would be fun.

Any good tips you guys got for living sustainable off the land?

And again, I'm interested from an enjoyment perspective, and to me, I've always been independent so the idea of growing all my own food seems much cooler than buying it.

I was drafting up an idea for a solar-powered dehydrator to preserve food instead of canning... seems like it would cost less than canning in terms of energy cost. And I could run a regular house on the normal power grid, but have a solar panel on a separate grid with an AC converter that could power several things, including a dehydrator for food preservation.

If I had a forest on the land I am getting, I could pressure cook to preserve using wood fire. So that would be cheap as well.
 

SavedByGrace3

Jesus is Lord of ALL! (Not asking permission)
Site Supporter
Jun 6, 2002
20,657
4,408
Midlands
Visit site
✟756,003.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
You are beyond me guy. We have thought about mushrooms but decided the quantity did not justify the effort. Now if we could grow pounds of the stuff then you would have me... but most of the kits and instruction seem to only return a couple handfuls of srooms. Sometimes just hunting them in the wild is easier.
 
Reactions: Razare
Upvote 0

Razare

God gave me a throne
Nov 20, 2014
1,051
394
✟25,847.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private

To do mushrooms so it pays off, you have to avoid the pre-made kits. Kits are nice, but it's just like a neat thing to try, not something to sustain yourself on. Maybe do it once when you start out to get some experience. To do mushrooms, what you basically do is make your own kits.

Material(seed / sawdust / coffee grounds) + Water + Canning Jar + Sterlization = Prepped Spawn Jar

Spawn Jar + Mushroom Spores / Spawn + Time = Spawn Jar Fully Colonized (can be used to start other jars, and keep the process going and going)

Spawn from Jar + Sterile Straw + Humidity + Time = MUSHROOMS!!!



So the cost here can be very cheap stuff, like seeds or straw, or sawdust. There are people who grow oyster mushrooms just on sawdust completely, and they mix in some minerals is all.

If you had a lot of spent coffee grounds, though, you could run mushroom farms on that and have some of the best leftover compost.
 
Upvote 0

SavedByGrace3

Jesus is Lord of ALL! (Not asking permission)
Site Supporter
Jun 6, 2002
20,657
4,408
Midlands
Visit site
✟756,003.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
That's what I am talking about. Mass production!
 
Upvote 0

Razare

God gave me a throne
Nov 20, 2014
1,051
394
✟25,847.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
That's what I am talking about. Mass production!

It really lends itself to a farmstead. When the mushrooms are done with the bulk material, having done their thing, they leave mushroom material all through it.

So it can be fed to pigs or chickens as food. It can be composted.
 
Upvote 0

Razare

God gave me a throne
Nov 20, 2014
1,051
394
✟25,847.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
Been doing some designing for a Michigan permaculture farm. Here are some starting ideas:

-----------------------------------------------
Chickens

Free Range, Dried Corn, Dehydrated Kale, Mushroom Leftover & Other Veg/Seed -> Chicken -> Egg Shells, Egg Whites, Yokes, Feathers, Meat, Bone, Manure

Egg Shells -> Seedling Starters, Painting Pigment, Raw Calcium for Mushrooms or other uses, Compost, Chalk, gifts & trinkets
Feathers -> Padding Material, Pens, Gifts / Trinkets, Clothing Uses, Bone
Bones -> Chicken Stock, Bone Meal
Manure -> Mushroom Material additive, Composting
-----------------------------------------------
Flax Plant

Compost if any + Seed + Rainfall or Water System -> Flax or Linseed * -> Seeds, Fiber, Flowers, Other?

Seeds -> Linseed Oil (cold pressing method), Edible?, Other uses?
Linseed Oil -> Painting Oil, Edible Oil?
Fiber -> Yarn, Linen, Rope
Flowers -> Edible?, Decoration, Pigment?, Infused Oils?, Essential Oils?
Infused / Essential Oils ingredient for -> Soaps, Shampoos, Cosmetic Products

*Flax plants favor fibers, and linseed plants favor seeds as production. They are the "same plant" bred down different strains for different uses. Maybe someone grows both? Or one suffices as both strains in a non-industrial situation, this is why it requires more research.
--------------------------------------------------
Milkweed (Common, Asclepias syriaca)

Nature -> Milkweed -> Pod Fluff, Stalks, Leaves, Flowers, Attracts Monarch Butterfly, Seeds

Pod Fluff -> Stuffing / Bedding (used for WWII life vests, more buoyant than cork), used with wool to make yarn
Stalks -> Fibers (used same as Flax Fiber), Edible when young (must be cooked, mildly poisonous but cooking removes most poison, some are allergic, do not mistake for dogsbane), Other?
Flower -> Edible?, Other?
Seeds -> ?
-------------------------------------------------

The core idea behind permaculture is to create a farm stead that manages itself, so you plant and compost, but do not till any soil. In my view, watering should also be automated as much as possible.

Once the farmstead is created, time should then ultimately be spent on higher level activities, such as harvesting food, preserving food, and making other products from what is harvested. A permaculture farm should in the end, be able to remain operational with as few external inputs as possible, especially inputs from industrial society that are non-sustainable products (ie. crude oil, coal electricity). Nothing against oil or coal, but why use that when you can grow it yourself!

If people really got hold of it, we could then do industrial level permaculture, with all the specialty fields and invention. Where a series of farms work together to produce a final product correctly, all while sustaining their workers with land, food and shelter. Metals are the only sort of hinderance to product inputs, but if that were the one exception to permaculture, that would be pretty good. In the end, there would be no reason we could not produce a permaculture vehicle even. So if it went industrial, no sacrifice in lifestyle is neccessary and improved lifestyle is gained.

For example, if someone worked in a permaculture factory, all factory equipment and building would be sourced back to permaculture outputs and design. The factory itself may double as a garden landscape with people living and tending those gardens. Such a factory has a positive environmental impact, and while it works like our factories today, it is a different kind of industry.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

MWood

Newbie
Jan 7, 2013
3,894
7,990
✟137,571.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Republican
You need to do a search on the permacultural life style that only ended in the 1960s. There is a wealth of info that you can add to what you have already figured out.
 
Reactions: Razare
Upvote 0

Razare

God gave me a throne
Nov 20, 2014
1,051
394
✟25,847.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
You need to do a search on the permacultural life style that only ended in the 1960s. There is a wealth of info that you can add to what you have already figured out.

Wow, great, thank you. I thought it was a new idea, shows what I know!!!

I learned quite a bit of basic stuff from my Dad, and then too my Grandmother. They both keep gardens using no-till methods.

My mom and step-dad also garden a great deal, but they do it the "traditional" way... pesticides, tilling, adding bulk lime supplement to the soil, work, work work. I tried gardening that way before I was saved, was too much of a hassle! And I didn't like spraying poisons to kill potato bugs.

Scripture says I was delivered from Adam's curse, so the last thing I'm going to do is garden like I'm still under it! Potato bugs? Chickens!
 
Upvote 0

Goodbook

Reading the Bible
Jan 22, 2011
22,090
5,107
New Zealand
Visit site
✟93,895.00
Gender
Female
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
In Relationship
theres books on permaculture but I find them too complicated and scientific.

Basically its a no-dig garden and you compost everything back into the soil, plus you have animals, like chickens that can eat the bugs.
Also the earthworms mix the compost in the soil for you.
 
Reactions: Razare
Upvote 0

Razare

God gave me a throne
Nov 20, 2014
1,051
394
✟25,847.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private

Yeah basically. I suppose I like it more from an independence point of view. Do your own thing, and you don't need society to lean upon.
 
Upvote 0