Perception of reality

[Yanni depp]

An analogy, radio frequencies exist in the same "space," and when your radio is tuned into one station, the other stations still exist even tho you cant hear them.

That was a microcosm for our dimension along with the other dimensions, And how we only see this dimension as we are "tuned in" through our five senses of the body despite the other dimensions existing in the same space. When we die we tune into another station, leaving this five-sense reality behind to something that will probably feel more "real" than this earth ever had.

In the same way we can only see visible light (a sliver) in the electromagnetic spectrum. And there is ultraviolet and infored that exists in waveform information that we dont see.

In a nutshell the universe was compared to the internet, and our bodies, the computer, decoding the waveform information of our universe.

Everything we experience with our five senses is a frequency that is decoded into our perception of reality, the images, smells, solid matter, its all waveform information that would not be decoded and percievable without a living body to experience it.

I imagine these concepts could fit in with my Christian beliefs.

Any opinions or higher learning on the matter?

 

[royal priest]

 

[Resha Caner]

It's a nice analogy, but I'm not sure what I would do with it.

 

[Shempster]

An analogy, radio frequencies exist in the same "space," and when your radio is tuned into one station, the other stations still exist even tho you cant hear them.

That was a microcosm for our dimension along with the other dimensions, And how we only see this dimension as we are "tuned in" through our five senses of the body despite the other dimensions existing in the same space. When we die we tune into another station, leaving this five-sense reality behind to something that will probably feel more "real" than this earth ever had.

In the same way we can only see visible light (a sliver) in the electromagnetic spectrum. And there is ultraviolet and infored that exists in waveform information that we dont see.

In a nutshell the universe was compared to the internet, and our bodies, the computer, decoding the waveform information of our universe.

Everything we experience with our five senses is a frequency that is decoded into our perception of reality, the images, smells, solid matter, its all waveform information that would not be decoded and percievable without a living body to experience it.

I imagine these concepts could fit in with my Christian beliefs.

Any opinions or higher learning on the matter?

This applies to those who's spiritual antennas are turned on and picking up signals.
For the most part, people just believe what they are told to believe.

 

[Yanni depp]

Yeah its interesting @royal priest, I feel like ive known this concept, but i didnt understand it until now. And i wanted other Christians thoughts on this, because my one Brother in Christ was giving me a hard time for a bit while i was researching these things.

@Resha Caner i agree, i just think its fascinating that this could be the case. It completely changes my view on our universe. This "reality" can be so constricting at times, even suffocating with its trials and problems. But after its all said and done, it was all just frequencies vibrating around our dimension, they were never "real" .....!

I remember an experiment where a man took 2 jars of rice, filled with water also. He said "i love you" to the first jar, and to the second, "i hate you." He did this three time a day. For a month. The love jar started to ferment and it emitted a sweet aroma. In the hate jar the rice turned black and started to rot. The water was absorbing the frequencies of those three little words.

Furthermore another experiment showed that water retained memory (just as shown from the frequencies in the rice experiment.) Different people took multiple drops of water from the same bowl, and observed them under a microscope. The water retained patterns specific to each person...! It recorded who touched the water.
And we are 70% water ourselves so make of that what you will with this and the rice.

This all just seems to be backing up this theory. And @Shempster, i honestly thought it was just a theory but its actually been scientifically proven that matter is just wave form energy. I just found this out today. I think you guys will really appreciate this 5 min video.

This gives a greater fear of God in me in a sense. That i know He created this universe through frequencies and vibrations. Its completely awe inspiring. Sin and hell must be the most unspeakable frequencies. And it makes me appreciate prayer and hearing the Word more. Matthew 4:4

 

[Resha Caner]

i agree, i just think its fascinating that this could be the case. It completely changes my view on our universe.

Maybe I was too subtle. I've also played with such ideas, so I've no room to criticize. However, I was subtly trying to warn you not to start equating analogies with reality. Don't go all mystical on me. It's too easy to wrap yourself in a cocoon of vague language that sounds cool but means nothing as a protection against challenges to your faith.

 

[Yanni depp]

Maybe I was too subtle. I've also played with such ideas, so I've no room to criticize. However, I was subtly trying to warn you not to start equating analogies with reality. Don't go all mystical on me. It's too easy to wrap yourself in a cocoon of vague language that sounds cool but means nothing as a protection against challenges to your faith.

Thanks for your concern.

Its just people trying to understand the universe, creation and how we experience it and percieve it. Analogies are supposed to help you understand, thats all. The sole purpose of this thread wasnt intended to discuss apologetics.

But did you get a chance to watch that video i posted? On the double slit experiment?

 

[Resha Caner]

But did you get a chance to watch that video i posted? On the double slit experiment?

I didn't, but I'm familiar with wave-particle duality.

 

[Yanni depp]

Its completely fascinating

@Resha Caner, this didnt phase you in the least when you first learned about it?

 

[Resha Caner]

No, I don't recall that it had much of an impact on me. I think what startled me more was learning things like Godel's incompleteness or the instrumentalist nature of science.

 

[Yanni depp]

No, I don't recall that it had much of an impact on me.

Well thanks for your thoughts

 

[Resha Caner]

Well thanks for your thoughts

We all have different skills. My skill seems to be an ability to spot trends in chaos. Therefore, concepts like infinity, duality, etc. come naturally to me. I've always done well with theory and mathematics.

That's why instrumentalism was such a shock to me. It was a realization that I am cut off from the world. It created this weird, dislocated loneliness that I struggled with for quite some time. Reading Hartry Field's Science Without Numbers was both fascinating and like a cruel piling on to my shortcomings.

It fascinates me to observe the keen emotional intelligence of my wife - something I lack. If I have to approach an uncomfortable situation with another person, I often go to her and ask, "How should I say this?" Those are the things that mystify me.

 

[royal priest]

The question I have is, what implications would that have on God's revelation of reality to His creatures through nature and the Bible?

 

[Yanni depp]

i can appreciate that you have gifts @Resha Caner, and if you made a thread about your experiences it would probably be very interesting. But the double slit experiment is not extremely complicated, and the fact that the duality of the electrons was impingent on an observer--just a witness being present--is absolutely bananas. Its like drax and baby groot dancing in a pot, but its the building blocks of our universe that are acting like that lol.

 

[Yanni depp]

The question I have is, what implications would that have on God's revelation of reality to His creatures through nature and the Bible?

Im not entirely sure. If youre talking about romans 1:20, i feel it is embellishing Gods revelation, from my perspective. Id be happy to hear other thoughts on it tho

 

[royal priest]

Im not entirely sure. If youre talking about romans 1:20, i feel it is embellishing Gods revelation, from my perspective. Id be happy to hear other thoughts on it tho

It is embellishing revelation. Picking up with Romans 1, the things which God has made are a very plain and clear revelation of His power. So much so that men are entirely without any excuse whatsoever. It seems that God has removed any excuse (not to say that you are making an excuse) for us to say things like, "perhaps we could see more if only this and what if that?" No. God has made it plain. He has provided all that we need to clearly see by the things He has created. Then comes in His revelation through the Scriptures. Now there is no room for mistaking. By His Word, He has taught us how to interpret and perceive the things which He has made. This is where the red and blue pills come into play, so to speak. Will we believe the Gospel and repent? Or shall we continue suppressing the truth in unrighteousness?

 

[RaymondG]

I believe the scripture to be a mystery until it is revealed by the holy spirit. There are multitudes who follow and believe that they hear and see.....but seeing they do not see and hearing they do not hear. It was given to the disciples to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to those who are without, all this are done in parable.

The Word, is reveal individually from the mouth of God, and I believe this to be very different from reading and understand any words in any book.

Now we see as through a dark glass dimly, but then, we when know as we are known.

To know we have to have a desire to stop believing....to understand we have to realize that we dont understand. Pluck out offending eyes. There is more out there than we can see....but we have to remove our eyes and take off our shoes before we can see them... For the ground we are about to stand on is holy....and the light too bright for our eyes to bear....

 

[pat34lee]

The Universe Is a Symphony of Vibrating Strings - Video

 

[Ron Gurley]

Your OP ignores complete "reality".

A: The Body/Soul combo is mortal and returns to dust/clay/ at "death".

B: SPIRIT is immortal and will be Judged:

Hebrews 9:27
And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die (Body/Soul combo=mortality) once
and after this comes judgment, (of immortal SPIRITS)

Let's do some Biblical math!

God created Man in His own SPIRITUAL Image, CHARACTER Likeness (Genesis 1:26)(ALL NASB)

God has no BODY.(sarx/soma) God has no SOUL.(psyche)

God is PURE AND PERFECT SPIRIT.(pneuma) (Worship Him in SPIRIT and in TRUTH) ...John 4:24

Soul (psyche) and SPIRIT (pneuma) are separate and different.

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword,
and piercing as far as the division of SOUL (psyche) and SPIRIT (pneuma),
of both joints and marrow,(Body?=sarx/soma)
and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the "heart".(center OF conscience?)

1 Thessalonians 5:23
Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely;
and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete,
without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

SPIRIT "communes" with and is "Housed" in the Body/Soul combo.

1 Corinthians 6:19
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of (GOD) the Holy Spirit who is in you,
whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?

of the heart...GREEK 2588...kardia...denotes the (INTERACTIVE) centre of all physical and spiritual life
b.of the understanding, the faculty and seat of the intelligence c.of the will and character (CONSCIENCE?)

Ecclesiastes 12...Remember God in Your Youth: AT DEATH, SPIRIT returns to God
Remember also your Creator in the days of your youth, before the evil days come and the years draw near when you will say, “I have no delight in them”;...
For man goes to his ETERNAL (SPIRITUAL) home while mourners go about in the street....
7 then the dust (Body/Soul combo) will return to the earth as it was, (Genesis 2:7)
and the SPIRIT ("breath of life") will return to God who gave it. (Genesis 1:26)
8 “Vanity of vanities,” says the Preacher, “all is vanity!”

Isaiah 42:5 Thus says God the Lord,
Who created the heavens and stretched them out,
Who spread out the earth and its offspring,
Who gives breath to the people on it (Body/Soul combo)
And SPIRIT to those who walk in it,

Zechariah 12:1 ...Thus declares the Lord
who stretches out the heavens,
lays the foundation of the earth, and
forms the SPIRIT of man within him,(Body/Soul combo)

Psalm 139:14
I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Your works, And my soul knows it very well.

Psalm 139:13
For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb.

Job 31:15
“Did not He who made me in the womb make him, And the same one fashion us in the womb?

1 Thessalonians 5:23
Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your SPIRIT and SOUL and BODY be preserved complete,
without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

THUS: ManKIND is divided into 3 parts:

1. SPIRIT = (~God conscience/ spiritual GOD Image = pneuma),
2. SOUL = (~psyche / personality / God CHARACTER~ Likeness = psyche) and
3. BODY = (~man's machine, controlled by brain bucket/CNS = sarx/SOMA)

The SOUL of Mankind (male and female) is also a DYNAMIC REACTION of its 3 parts:
1. MIND...the process of intellect...stored brain knowledge...its function is "thinking"/ THOUGHTS / "reasoning"
2. WILL...your decision maker...your computer-reactor...your balancer
3. EMOTIONS...how you "feel"...natural reactions / intuitive responses

The Body of Man has its 5 senses / sensors (maybe 6?=ESP?) to interact with environment....Biology 101

The Soul of Man is the "snowflake" individual personality which starts with some genetic predispositions and is generally developed in and around the brain "bucket" and CNS electrical conductions...Psychology 101

The Spirit of Man searches for its Creator,..Bible 101
At the time of salvation, the battle begins:
OLD MAN: BODY / SOUL against God ...VERSUS... NEW MAN: BODY / SOUL / SPIRIT / Indwelling God The Holy SPIRIT.

Jewish tradition (?) believed that you:
1. KNOW in your "heart"...Spirit / conscience
2. FEEL in your "gut"...emotions
3. DECIDE in your "head"/brain...mind

MIND:

Proverbs 15:14
The mind of the intelligent seeks knowledge, But the mouth of fools feeds on folly.

The mind...Hebrew 3820...leb...I.inner man,...will, heart, understanding

Proverbs 18:15
The mind of the prudent acquires knowledge, And the ear of the wise seeks knowledge.

Matthew 22:37...And He said to him, “
‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’

MIND...Greek 1271...dianoia...I.the mind as a faculty of understanding, feeling, desiring; IV.THOUGHTS, either good or bad

Romans 12:2
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind,
so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.

Philippians 4:7
And the peace of God, which surpasses all comprehension, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

 

[Yanni depp]

Your OP ignores complete "reality".

A: The Body/Soul combo is mortal and returns to dust/clay/ at "death".

B: SPIRIT is immortal and will be Judged:

Hebrews 9:27
And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die (Body/Soul combo=mortality) once
and after this comes judgment, (of immortal SPIRITS)

Let's do some Biblical math!

God created Man in His own SPIRITUAL Image, CHARACTER Likeness (Genesis 1:26)(ALL NASB)

God has no BODY.(sarx/soma) God has no SOUL.(psyche)

God is PURE AND PERFECT SPIRIT.(pneuma) (Worship Him in SPIRIT and in TRUTH) ...John 4:24

Soul (psyche) and SPIRIT (pneuma) are separate and different.

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword,
and piercing as far as the division of SOUL (psyche) and SPIRIT (pneuma),
of both joints and marrow,(Body?=sarx/soma)
and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the "heart".(center OF conscience?)

1 Thessalonians 5:23
Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely;
and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete,
without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

SPIRIT "communes" with and is "Housed" in the Body/Soul combo.

1 Corinthians 6:19
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of (GOD) the Holy Spirit who is in you,
whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?

of the heart...GREEK 2588...kardia...denotes the (INTERACTIVE) centre of all physical and spiritual life
b.of the understanding, the faculty and seat of the intelligence c.of the will and character (CONSCIENCE?)

Ecclesiastes 12...Remember God in Your Youth: AT DEATH, SPIRIT returns to God
Remember also your Creator in the days of your youth, before the evil days come and the years draw near when you will say, “I have no delight in them”;...
For man goes to his ETERNAL (SPIRITUAL) home while mourners go about in the street....
7 then the dust (Body/Soul combo) will return to the earth as it was, (Genesis 2:7)
and the SPIRIT ("breath of life") will return to God who gave it. (Genesis 1:26)
8 “Vanity of vanities,” says the Preacher, “all is vanity!”

Isaiah 42:5 Thus says God the Lord,
Who created the heavens and stretched them out,
Who spread out the earth and its offspring,
Who gives breath to the people on it (Body/Soul combo)
And SPIRIT to those who walk in it,

Zechariah 12:1 ...Thus declares the Lord
who stretches out the heavens,
lays the foundation of the earth, and
forms the SPIRIT of man within him,(Body/Soul combo)

Psalm 139:14
I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Your works, And my soul knows it very well.

Psalm 139:13
For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb.

Job 31:15
“Did not He who made me in the womb make him, And the same one fashion us in the womb?

1 Thessalonians 5:23
Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your SPIRIT and SOUL and BODY be preserved complete,
without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

THUS: ManKIND is divided into 3 parts:

1. SPIRIT = (~God conscience/ spiritual GOD Image = pneuma),
2. SOUL = (~psyche / personality / God CHARACTER~ Likeness = psyche) and
3. BODY = (~man's machine, controlled by brain bucket/CNS = sarx/SOMA)

The SOUL of Mankind (male and female) is also a DYNAMIC REACTION of its 3 parts:
1. MIND...the process of intellect...stored brain knowledge...its function is "thinking"/ THOUGHTS / "reasoning"
2. WILL...your decision maker...your computer-reactor...your balancer
3. EMOTIONS...how you "feel"...natural reactions / intuitive responses

The Body of Man has its 5 senses / sensors (maybe 6?=ESP?) to interact with environment....Biology 101

The Soul of Man is the "snowflake" individual personality which starts with some genetic predispositions and is generally developed in and around the brain "bucket" and CNS electrical conductions...Psychology 101

The Spirit of Man searches for its Creator,..Bible 101
At the time of salvation, the battle begins:
OLD MAN: BODY / SOUL against God ...VERSUS... NEW MAN: BODY / SOUL / SPIRIT / Indwelling God The Holy SPIRIT.

Jewish tradition (?) believed that you:
1. KNOW in your "heart"...Spirit / conscience
2. FEEL in your "gut"...emotions
3. DECIDE in your "head"/brain...mind

MIND:

Proverbs 15:14
The mind of the intelligent seeks knowledge, But the mouth of fools feeds on folly.

The mind...Hebrew 3820...leb...I.inner man,...will, heart, understanding

Proverbs 18:15
The mind of the prudent acquires knowledge, And the ear of the wise seeks knowledge.

Matthew 22:37...And He said to him, “
‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’

MIND...Greek 1271...dianoia...I.the mind as a faculty of understanding, feeling, desiring; IV.THOUGHTS, either good or bad

Romans 12:2
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind,
so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.

Philippians 4:7
And the peace of God, which surpasses all comprehension, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

Not sure how this is coherently related to anything i said.....