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How similar are these two Churches?

(I know there are multiple Baptist and Pentecostal denominations)

Both of them believe in adult Baptism, have similar theology (from my understanding), and have many Churches in the Southern United States.

Is there worship style similar?

What are the major differences?

Blessings!
 

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Pentecostals, seek the power of God and gifts, and being filled with the Holy spirit, even do deliverance.
I think baptists don't do deliverance, or seek being filled with the Holy spirit as something that can happen after conversion.
By the way, for me being filled with the Holy spirit, like Pentecostals believe is the meaning of life itself.
 
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Pentecostals, seek the power of God and gifts, and being filled with the Holy spirit, even do deliverance.
I think baptists don't do deliverance, or seek being filled with the Holy spirit as something that can happen after conversion.
By the way, for me being filled with the Holy spirit, like Pentecostals believe is the meaning of life itself.
Thanks for the response!
 
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The order of the service in each I've attended is very similar. Both start out with worship were similar songs and hyms are sung. And then the pastor delivers a sermon. The sermons have been pretty similar in each.

That's in regard to Pentacostal churchs that are lowkey. Others can be a lot more charismatic. But I've never attended one of those.
 
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Pentecostals, seek the power of God and gifts, and being filled with the Holy spirit, even do deliverance.
I think baptists don't do deliverance, or seek being filled with the Holy spirit as something that can happen after conversion.
By the way, for me being filled with the Holy spirit, like Pentecostals believe is the meaning of life itself.
Baptists believe in being filled with the Holy Spirit. But they don't attach outward charismatic manifestations to it like speaking in prayer language tongues or being slain in the spirit and such. The believe the Holy Spirit can speak through you though, or at least guide you when teaching the gospel.
 
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How similar are these two Churches?

(I know there are multiple Baptist and Pentecostal denominations)

Both of them believe in adult Baptism, have similar theology (from my understanding), and have many Churches in the Southern United States.

Is there worship style similar?

What are the major differences?

Blessings!
They compliment each other.

They use the same theology books, but come to different conclusions.
 
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They compliment each other.

They use the same theology books, but come to different conclusions.
What do you mean by theology books? Theologically they’re Calvinist?
 
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What do you mean by theology books? Theologically they’re Calvinist?
I've met both Baptists and Pentecostals that end up with a Calvinist theology, and both with a non-calvinist theology.

Theology books, those books people read in seminary instead of the Early Church Fathers.
 
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I've met both Baptists and Pentecostals that end up with a Calvinist theology, and both with a non-calvinist theology.

Theology books, those books people read in seminary instead of the Early Church Fathers.
Ah, gotcha!
 
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What do you mean by theology books? Theologically they’re Calvinist?
The Doctrinal Stance on Scripture, the fallen state of man - salvation through Christ - the need for repentance - is the same.

My Baptist Brothers and Sisters differ in that they believe the Charisms (Gifts/Manifestations) of the Holy Spirit ended with Apostles - whereas Pentecostals believe they are valid and still available today through the Believer.

If you would like to see more of a scholarly approach, I would recommend two resources

"Bible Doctrines - a Pentecostal Perspective" - by Willam w Menzies.; Stanley Horton,

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"The Foundations of Pentecostal Theology" by Guy R. Duffield & Nathaniel M. VanCleave

Both are found on Kindle, both well written and properly footnoted.
 
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The Doctrinal Stance on Scripture, the fallen state of man - salvation through Christ - the need for repentance - is the same.

My Baptist Brothers and Sisters differ in that they believe the Charisms (Gifts/Manifestations) of the Holy Spirit ended with Apostles - whereas Pentecostals believe they are valid and still available today through the Believer.

If you would like to see more of a scholarly approach, I would recommend two resources

"Bible Doctrines - a Pentecostal Perspective" - by Willam w Menzies.; Stanley Horton,

and

"The Foundations of Pentecostal Theology" by Guy R. Duffield & Nathaniel M. VanCleave

Both are found on Kindle, both well written and properly footnoted.
Thanks! I appreciate it :)

God bless!
 
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How similar are these two Churches?

(I know there are multiple Baptist and Pentecostal denominations)

Both of them believe in adult Baptism, have similar theology (from my understanding), and have many Churches in the Southern United States.

Is there worship style similar?

What are the major differences?

Blessings!

In my opinion,.....

If you go back to the beginning history of the various old line protestant denominations, a lot of them started out on fire for GOD, being filled with The Holy Spirit and operating in the gifts and such. Very powerful for GOD.

At some point though, this all died down and eventually out, to the point that all of these various denominations now speak ill of the gifts, even attributing them to evil spirits being in those that operate in them, whilst slowly becoming Catholic-light in their services.

So,.... in the early 1900's GOD brought about a new, more modern protestant denomination called The Assemblies of GOD, that would hold onto the filling of The Holy Spirit and His gifts and fruits, and for the most part, we have. This time frame also saw a couple other denominations associated with us, having similar beliefs, as well as the Charismatic faith groups that arose shortly thereafter, all holding to the filling of The Holy Spirit beyond the born again experience.

At this point though, I would say that the only real visible thing that is similar between Baptists and Pentecostals is our choices of worship music. Everything else theologically beyond the teaching of being born again and such between us is different.
 
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In my opinion,.....

If you go back to the beginning history of the various old line protestant denominations, a lot of them started out on fire for GOD, being filled with The Holy Spirit and operating in the gifts and such. Very powerful for GOD.

At some point though, this all died down and eventually out, to the point that all of these various denominations now speak ill of the gifts, even attributing them to evil spirits being in those that operate in them, whilst slowly becoming Catholic-light in their services.

So,.... in the early 1900's GOD brought about a new, more modern protestant denomination called The Assemblies of GOD, that would hold onto the filling of The Holy Spirit and His gifts and fruits, and for the most part, we have. This time frame also saw a couple other denominations associated with us, having similar beliefs, as well as the Charismatic faith groups that arose shortly thereafter, all holding to the filling of The Holy Spirit beyond the born again experience.

At this point though, I would say that the only real visible thing that is similar between Baptists and Pentecostals is our choices of worship music. Everything else theologically beyond the teaching of being born again and such between us is different.
Remember hearing about the Second Great Awakening in the United States?

 
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The Doctrinal Stance on Scripture, the fallen state of man - salvation through Christ - the need for repentance - is the same.

My Baptist Brothers and Sisters differ in that they believe the Charisms (Gifts/Manifestations) of the Holy Spirit ended with Apostles - whereas Pentecostals believe they are valid and still available today through the Believer.
This is a good summary!

I was raised in the Southern US and raised as 'Pentecostal Holiness' but, even though I went to a Pentecostal church with my parents, most of the time I attended Baptist/Southern Baptist church with friends and other family.

Because of the similarities between the denominations, there is a phrase, 'PentaBaptist,' that I recently learned is used for those who consider their denominations to be overlapping or those who have considered it for them?

I was out of church for many years, until recently, and joined a non-denominational church in the UK which is very sympathetic to Pentecostals and has a Calvinistic leaning. I am not 100% sure what the differences between Pentecostal Holiness vs Pentecostal is, as I was taught to be Pentecostal Holiness, so I'm not sure how much my current church leans towards Holiness versus just Pentecostal.

As far as worship styles, some Pentecostal churches in the US are quite demonstrative and I've seen that type of worship in the non-denominational churches in the UK e.g. raising hands during singing and praying out loud. I prefer quiet prayer and I do not sing or raise hands during singing, but that's a personal preference, and I don't judge others for how they worship.

My church has alluded to tongues being a gift that has been given to some, along with other gifts, but I have not seen anyone speak in tongues like I have seen in Pentecostal churches in the US.

My Southern Baptist family, in the US, does not believe in tongues.

I do not attend a Pentecostal church in the UK because, from what I've seen, the Pentecostal churches here are overly demonstrative and seem to blend a lot of 'prosperity gospel' within their teachings, which I do not agree is biblical. I feel my parents were duped into this teaching in the 1980s via televangelists and it is a concept very much embraced by the Nigerian Christians who have a large presence in the Pentecostal church in the UK.

So, that's the only differences I recognize from personal experience.

I would be interested to learn more because I am currently attending church a fair distance away, due to it's non-denominational status, and would like to attend a Baptist church which is more local. However, I'm not entirely sure of the differences so not sure how aligned it would be to my beliefs where I consider Scripture to be the authority.
 
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I would be interested to learn more because I am currently attending church a fair distance away, due to it's non-denominational status, and would like to attend a Baptist church which is more local. However, I'm not entirely sure of the differences so not sure how aligned it would be to my beliefs where I consider Scripture to be the authority.
From the 1689 Second Baptist Confession of Faith, Chapter 1:

1. The Holy Scriptures are the only sufficient, certain, and infallible standard of all saving knowledge, faith, and obedience.1 The light of nature and the works of creation and providence so clearly demonstrate the goodness, wisdom, and power of God that people are left without excuse; however, these demonstrations are not sufficient to give the knowledge of God and his will that is necessary for salvation.2 Therefore, the Lord was pleased at different times and in various ways to reveal himself and to declare his will to his church.3 To preserve and propagate the truth better and to establish and comfort the church with greater certainty against the corruption of the flesh and the malice of Satan and the world, the Lord put this revelation completely in writing. Therefore, the Holy Scriptures are absolutely necessary, because God’s former ways of revealing his will to his people have now ceased.

Source: Chapter 1 - The Holy Scriptures - Founders Ministries

I would recommend reading the whole thing, if you have the time: 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith in Modern English - Founders Ministries That will tell you how well that the Baptists align with your beliefs. Out in the United States, we do have a problem where the Baptist churches are less cerebral/intellectual and focus more on Gospel altar calls and less on detailed Scripture memorization and exegesis than their non-denominational cousins, but in the UK I imagine that they might be focused more on the historic creeds than the rough country Gospel that is America's legacy from the pioneer days and the Great Awakenings. I would check it out if I were you. (I attend a non-denominational church FYI.)

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Is there worship style similar?

What are the major differences?
The major difference between Pentecostals and Baptist really comes down to attitudes about Spiritual Gifts, and also the weight that is placed on Scripture versus personal experience.

From the outside, it can look confusing here in the United States, because the Baptist churches here got all tangled up with American cultural history because, well, the Baptists fled here from England to avoid religious persecution, and the non-denominational churches bailed out of that to get back to deep Scriptural study and exegesis and away from the country gospel songs. :p If one spent some time listening to the Gaithers or even a recent tobyMac album (though the Gaithers are really the epitome) you'd be forgiven for thinking that Pentecostals and Baptists were the same, especially given the emphasis on emotion.

Pentecostals are more into ultra-modern worship music like Hillsong, though, and that's not a slam. I said like Hillsong. They have found better alternatives. Also, that's just talking about my area, I have a small Pentecostal church that I visited. Their music, like the country gospel music, invited more emotional expression. And I read a pamphlet from them afterwards that used Scripture as the authority to present the Gospel.

The difference has to do with spiritual gifts. Baptists, as quoted in the creed above, are cessationists. They believe that the canon of Scripture is closed and the sign gifts (speaking in tongues, miracles, etc) are no longer active. These miracles were to authenticate the Gospel message before Scriptural authority was available, and now that the canon is closed, there is no longer any need for those Sign Gifts and they are gone. I don't exactly what the Baptist believe about non-sign gifts, but the non-denominational "Bible Church" folk believe they are still active, just aligned with Scripture. For example, we believe that the gifts of teaching and prophecy and prayer still exist, they are just Scripturally guided.

By contrast, the Pentecostals believe that all of the spiritual gifts are still active and available today. People will speak in tongues in services. The Pentecostals also claim things like "your words determine your future" and that you can declare things to be true and they will be. They think prophecy is more than using a Scriptural understanding to realize how God likely will respond to your prayer request.

Likewise, Pentecostals put a lot of weight on emotion and your experience of God through faith. The Baptists may enjoy the Gaithers, but if you go to an actual Baptist service, you're going to realize that, for the Baptists, the Gathiers and tobyMac are just entertainment to us. Christian entertainment in line with the Scripture, to be sure, but entertainment nonetheless. The Pentecostals actually believe that emotional experience of God is important. The Baptists emphasize the head, rather than the emotions. It's what you know, and what you do based on what you know. The intellect comes first. The Scripture comes first.

If you come to a Pentecostal preacher with a spiritual experience, they will talk and agree, maybe give you a slight admonition to test the Spirits, and thank the Lord for blessing you. A Baptist preacher will give you a skeptical look, and start talking about what they Scripturally believe.

That's been my experience, anyway. I've attended non-denominational churches most of my life, but I have visited the local Baptist church and the local Pentecostal church in my area for various reasons, and that's my understanding.

If you wanted more information, reading the historical Baptist creeds could help as referenced above, as well as reading the Statement of Faith from the Assemblies of God webpage. I think you will notice some major theological differences very quickly.
 
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From the 1689 Second Baptist Confession of Faith, Chapter 1:



Source: Chapter 1 - The Holy Scriptures - Founders Ministries

I would recommend reading the whole thing, if you have the time: 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith in Modern English - Founders Ministries That will tell you how well that the Baptists align with your beliefs. Out in the United States, we do have a problem where the Baptist churches are less cerebral/intellectual and focus more on Gospel altar calls and less on detailed Scripture memorization and exegesis than their non-denominational cousins, but in the UK I imagine that they might be focused more on the historic creeds than the rough country Gospel that is America's legacy from the pioneer days and the Great Awakenings. I would check it out if I were you. (I attend a non-denominational church FYI.)

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The major difference between Pentecostals and Baptist really comes down to attitudes about Spiritual Gifts, and also the weight that is placed on Scripture versus personal experience.

From the outside, it can look confusing here in the United States, because the Baptist churches here got all tangled up with American cultural history because, well, the Baptists fled here from England to avoid religious persecution, and the non-denominational churches bailed out of that to get back to deep Scriptural study and exegesis and away from the country gospel songs. :p If one spent some time listening to the Gaithers or even a recent tobyMac album (though the Gaithers are really the epitome) you'd be forgiven for thinking that Pentecostals and Baptists were the same, especially given the emphasis on emotion.

Pentecostals are more into ultra-modern worship music like Hillsong, though, and that's not a slam. I said like Hillsong. They have found better alternatives. Also, that's just talking about my area, I have a small Pentecostal church that I visited. Their music, like the country gospel music, invited more emotional expression. And I read a pamphlet from them afterwards that used Scripture as the authority to present the Gospel.

The difference has to do with spiritual gifts. Baptists, as quoted in the creed above, are cessationists. They believe that the canon of Scripture is closed and the sign gifts (speaking in tongues, miracles, etc) are no longer active. These miracles were to authenticate the Gospel message before Scriptural authority was available, and now that the canon is closed, there is no longer any need for those Sign Gifts and they are gone. I don't exactly what the Baptist believe about non-sign gifts, but the non-denominational "Bible Church" folk believe they are still active, just aligned with Scripture. For example, we believe that the gifts of teaching and prophecy and prayer still exist, they are just Scripturally guided.

By contrast, the Pentecostals believe that all of the spiritual gifts are still active and available today. People will speak in tongues in services. The Pentecostals also claim things like "your words determine your future" and that you can declare things to be true and they will be. They think prophecy is more than using a Scriptural understanding to realize how God likely will respond to your prayer request.

Likewise, Pentecostals put a lot of weight on emotion and your experience of God through faith. The Baptists may enjoy the Gaithers, but if you go to an actual Baptist service, you're going to realize that, for the Baptists, the Gathiers and tobyMac are just entertainment to us. Christian entertainment in line with the Scripture, to be sure, but entertainment nonetheless. The Pentecostals actually believe that emotional experience of God is important. The Baptists emphasize the head, rather than the emotions. It's what you know, and what you do based on what you know. The intellect comes first. The Scripture comes first.

If you come to a Pentecostal preacher with a spiritual experience, they will talk and agree, maybe give you a slight admonition to test the Spirits, and thank the Lord for blessing you. A Baptist preacher will give you a skeptical look, and start talking about what they Scripturally believe.

That's been my experience, anyway. I've attended non-denominational churches most of my life, but I have visited the local Baptist church and the local Pentecostal church in my area for various reasons, and that's my understanding.

If you wanted more information, reading the historical Baptist creeds could help as referenced above, as well as reading the Statement of Faith from the Assemblies of God webpage. I think you will notice some major theological differences very quickly.
Thank you so, so much for this.

There is a huge gap in how I believe, versus my parents who claim Pentecostal as their denomination, and this captures the reasons perfectly, I think.

I will definitely pursue the reading you have suggested, thank you!

There are other issues within the UK which meant I did not attend church here for years. The main issue being that the Church of England, some Methodists and others celebrate 'pride' month and, without wishing to offend anyone, that does not align with scripture so I would not support those churches.

However, you've at least partially cleared one hurdle and inspired me to question further the pursuit and creed of the local church.

It would be interesting to understand the differences between the Baptists and Southern Baptists but I guess that understanding could possibly be attained, to some degree, with experience!
 
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By contrast, the Pentecostals believe that all of the spiritual gifts are still active and available today. People will speak in tongues in services. The Pentecostals also claim things like "your words determine your future" and that you can declare things to be true and they will be. They think prophecy is more than using a Scriptural understanding to realize how God likely will respond to your prayer request.

That would be "Word of Faith" teachings bleeding over into that particular church. The Assemblies of GOD as a whole do not hold to "name it and claim it" types of belief.

Likewise, Pentecostals put a lot of weight on emotion and your experience of God through faith. The Baptists may enjoy the Gaithers, but if you go to an actual Baptist service, you're going to realize that, for the Baptists, the Gathiers and tobyMac are just entertainment to us. Christian entertainment in line with the Scripture, to be sure, but entertainment nonetheless. The Pentecostals actually believe that emotional experience of God is important. The Baptists emphasize the head, rather than the emotions. It's what you know, and what you do based on what you know. The intellect comes first. The Scripture comes first.

As Pentecostals, we seek the touch of The Holy Spirit, not a furtherment of our emotions. There are folks that do confuse these things and tend to get "drunk in the blood of the Saints" too much, but we are not taught, nor do we teach, that we are to be demonstrating our emotions.

Relationship with Jesus comes first.
 
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