Pentecostal turned Reformed....?

[GrinningDwarf]

Well - the Assembly of God churches I belonged to taught that you could loose your salvation - which is wrong.

That's because it's the official AG position. I know...I used to be one.

They also did not practice the use of the gifts as laid out in 1 Corinthians 12.

Tha't normal Pentecostalism. One of the turning points for me was when I discussed this with one of my best friends from high school (who at the time of this discussion was an AG pastor and is now an AG missionary). I mentioned that Paul limits those speaking in tongues in a service to two or at most three, and requires an interpretation. He said, "I know that." I asked "Then why do we allow everybody to be speaking in tongues at the same time with no interpretation?" He said, "Because that's the way it's always been done."

I could go on and on... Just a lot of problems for me there - which is why I left. Bottom line for me - the gifts aren't the end all for me in regards to choosing a church. I'll take a solid Calvinist Presbyterian or Reformed Baptist church that believe the gifts have ceased over a pentacostal church that preaches/teaches that you have to work to maintain your salvation - or that you have to speak in toungues to evidence that you have the Holy Spirit.

Like I said - I could go on and on - but I'll stop....

Amen, bro!!

 

[gennaoanothen]

Well - the Assembly of God churches I belonged to taught that you could loose your salvation - which is wrong. They also did not practice the use of the gifts as laid out in 1 Corinthians 12. I could go on and on... Just a lot of problems for me there - which is why I left. Bottom line for me - the gifts aren't the end all for me in regards to choosing a church. I'll take a solid Calvinist Presbyterian or Reformed Baptist church that believe the gifts have ceased over a pentacostal church that preaches/teaches that you have to work to maintain your salvation - or that you have to speak in toungues to evidence that you have the Holy Spirit.

Like I said - I could go on and on - but I'll stop....

we are in agreement there, I do not believe a person can loose there salvation. I prayed for the sick and they were healed prior to speaking in tongues. at the AG church I curently attend, I have observed the order of speaking in tongues, recently as tongues was used, I was receiving the interpretation as another was giving the interpretation, almost like an echo effect, I already knew what the interpretor was going to say, and it was orderly.
Sometimes going to a church is not about what we can receive, but about what we can offer, to edify, sometimes it is about feeding sheep, and that is why the Lord may have a person where they are.
and yes I would agree with what I have heard some calvinist say here, my sheep hear my voice.

 

[gennaoanothen]

Well - the Assembly of God churches I belonged to taught that you could loose your salvation - which is wrong. They also did not practice the use of the gifts as laid out in 1 Corinthians 12. I could go on and on... Just a lot of problems for me there - which is why I left. Bottom line for me - the gifts aren't the end all for me in regards to choosing a church. I'll take a solid Calvinist Presbyterian or Reformed Baptist church that believe the gifts have ceased over a pentacostal church that preaches/teaches that you have to work to maintain your salvation - or that you have to speak in toungues to evidence that you have the Holy Spirit.

Like I said - I could go on and on - but I'll stop....

1 cor 12th chapter

why would any church want to deny the Gifts that God desires to give to them, the gifts are to be used for Gods purpose, to deny them and reject them is to deny the Will of God. I believe I have read somewhere you do not believe the gifts have ceased, perhaps you could be used to bring that to the attention of those that you assemble with, so that they could realize the gifts have not ceased.

while you were at the AG church did you try to take any steps in love, to show where they were wrong in their theology of "loosing salvation".
and I understand what you are implying on works based for salvation and the AG church, years ago I also attended one, and that is the same impression I got, my impression was wrong, I was looking at the outward apperance, I have noticed a comment from a calvinist, one way to know we are saved, is by our desire to do (or please) God, I have come to see that it is there hearts desire not to sin, which is not a works based faith, granted with a beliefe it is possible to loose salvation, one must be extremly carefull, in the motive of the heart.

now the calvinist miss it on several points, and if you go there (calvinist church) I will not try and persuade you out.
point 1 john 3:16 I have seen some proclaim John 3:16 means "kosmos" or the planet, well great, go tickle a tree huggers ears Jesus died and rose to save the enviroment???. Wrong Jesus died and rose for all of mankind.
point 2 The gifts haved ceased

 

[gennaoanothen]

. I actually saw many people's faith shipwrecked and a church split over Word-of-Faith teaching...the ultimate eisegesis.

I have to say that I'm still not a cessationist, because I see the Scriptures, and specifically Paul, as saying that the gifts would end when the perfect comes, and I simply cannot see the Scriptures referring anywhere to the completed Bible as 'the perfect one coming'...a phrase I see used exclusively for Christ and His return. (And, please, I've read MacArthur, White, and a bunch of other guys whose exegesis I usually respect, and none of them have convinced me otherwise, so please don't bombard me with cut-and-paste treatises on the topic!) I just think most everybody who practises give today has it wrong!!

examining what you have said above from a calvinist standpoint, if a persons faith was shipwrecked then obviously they were not of the elect.

you may call it the ultimate exegesis if you choose, but it is scriptural, this is an ask the calvinist thread though, perhaps you could answer my question for calvinist "what did John Calvin mean here"
http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7322839

have you had the oportunity to show others how they are operating in the gifts wrong? and are you currently operating in the gifts?

 

[AndOne]

1 cor 12th chapter

why would any church want to deny the Gifts that God desires to give to them, the gifts are to be used for Gods purpose, to deny them and reject them is to deny the Will of God. I believe I have read somewhere you do not believe the gifts have ceased, perhaps you could be used to bring that to the attention of those that you assemble with, so that they could realize the gifts have not ceased.

You must not have been paying attention to everything I wrote - those I assemble with do not believe the gifts have ceased. It is possible to be Calvinist and Charismatic.

now the calvinist miss it on several points, and if you go there (calvinist church) I will not try and persuade you out.
point 1 john 3:16 I have seen some proclaim John 3:16 means "kosmos" or the planet, well great, go tickle a tree huggers ears Jesus died and rose to save the enviroment???. Wrong Jesus died and rose for all of mankind.
point 2 The gifts haved ceased

I'm not real sure where you are coming from with point 1.... No Calvinsit I know of is going to proclaim a gospel of Jesus saving the environment. Are you sure you don't have us mixed up with a more liberal denomination like the PCUSA?

We would disagree that Jesus died and rose for all of mankind, though. He died and arose for His elect (which makes up all races of mankind - check the Greek in Jn3:16)....

Have you ever read the Canons of Dort? I suggest you do for a clear understanding of what people who post at Semper Reformda believe. http://www.lgmarshall.org/Creeds/dordrechtanae00.html

 

[gennaoanothen]

You must not have been paying attention to everything I wrote - those I assemble with do not believe the gifts have ceased. It is possible to be Calvinist and Charismatic.




I'm not real sure where you are coming from with point 1.... No Calvinsit I know of is going to proclaim a gospel of Jesus saving the environment. Are you sure you don't have us mixed up with a more liberal denomination like the PCUSA?

We would disagree that Jesus died and rose for all of mankind, though. He died and arose for His elect (which makes up all races of mankind - check the Greek in Jn3:16)....

Have you ever read the Canons of Dort? I suggest you do for a clear understanding of what people who post at Semper Reformda believe. http://www.lgmarshall.org/Creeds/dordrechtanae00.html

the Greek in John 3:16 is inhabitants

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κόσμος
kosmos
Thayer Definition:​

5) the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family​

6) the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ.

perhaps you could point me to a greek dictionary reference to show otherwise?​

thank you for the link I did take a look, did not notice anything concerning the gifts.​

Have a blessed Christmas​

 

[AndOne]

the Greek in John 3:16 is inhabitants

G2889
κόσμος
kosmos
Thayer Definition:​

5) the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family​

6) the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ.​

perhaps you could point me to a greek dictionary reference to show otherwise? ​

I'm not sure I need to - the point I was making was that his elect are not made up of strictly Jews.​

thank you for the link I did take a look, did not notice anything concerning the gifts.

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Have a blessed Christmas​

The link has nothing to do with the gifts - but on what specifically Calvinists believe in regards to salvation. Posted because it looked like you have a wrong view of what we believe....