Pelosi - Healthcare an entrepreneurial bill..."

[Toot La-Rue]

“We see it as an entrepreneurial bill,” Pelosi said, “a bill that says to someone, if you want to be creative and be a musician or whatever, you can leave your work, focus on your talent, your skill, your passion, your aspirations because you will have health care.” Source.

Tell me, you who supported this administration's healthcare "reform" - was this the purpose you had in mind? Was it your belief that the purpose of health care reform was to speak to artists and musicians, telling them they are now free to entrepreneurially pursue their creative aspirations at the taxpayer's expense?

That's how they saw it. Is that how you saw it?

...and this from the woman who said we've got to pass healthcare "so the people can know what's in it."

Well, now we know...

 

[laconicstudent]

Tell me, you who supported this administration's healthcare "reform" - was this the purpose you had in mind? Was it your belief that the purpose of health care reform was to speak to artists and musicians, telling them they are now free to entrepreneurially pursue their creative aspirations at the taxpayer's expense?

That's how they saw it. Is that how you saw it?

...and this from the woman who said we've got to pass healthcare "so the people can know what's in it."

Well, now we know...

Do you know what "Entrepreneur" means?

 

[Toot La-Rue]

I do indeed - what is your point? Is the question confusing, unclear?

 

[laconicstudent]

I do indeed - what is your point? Is the question confusing, unclear?

It is a little strange that you view entrepreneurial endeavors as a bad thing.

 

[salida]

Toot- the woman is a rapid flaming control monger. Her idol is power-she dribbles her saliva all over herself when she gets power. Its like a dog with a bone.

There is nothing enterpreneurial about it. She uses words and twist their meaning to deceive and lie. Its just plain old governmental takeover called socialism-nothing new! And not a new invention to start a business in capitalism which is the true meaning of this word. She is an univeral kook.

 

[BoltNut]

I want to be an Entrepreneur and sell sculptures made of horse manure on the side of the road. Do I qualify?

 

[laconicstudent]

Toot- the woman is a rapid flaming control monger. Her idol is power-she dribbles her saliva all over herself when she gets power. Its like a dog with a bone.

How witty.

 

[Toot La-Rue]

It is a little strange that you view entrepreneurial endeavors as a bad thing.

Is it your intent to avoid answering the question and spout pithy little jibes instead, purposely misinterpreting altogether the point of the OP?

 

[laconicstudent]

Is it your intent to avoid answering the question and spout pithy little jibes instead, purposely misinterpreting altogether the point of the OP?

Temper. Anyhow, since unlike you I consider entrepreneurship a good thing for the economy, my answer would obviously be yes.

 

[Saving Hawaii]

It's a great bill for entrepreneurs and innovators. These folks see business opportunities, but there's a price to pay in taking those opportunities. I've got a good job with insurance coverage. If I were to give up that steady job, taking the risk of starting up a small business, I couldn't afford coverage on the individual insurance markets today. They're ridiculously expensive.

When the full provisions of this bill kick in, that won't be nearly as much of a concern. Innovators seeing an opportunity and grabbing it won't risk having themselves or somebody in their family get sick while they didn't have insurance.

Like Pelosi said, that's one of the real strong marks of this bill. It's a good bill for entrepreneurs.

 

[chaz345]

I couldn't afford coverage on the individual insurance markets today. They're ridiculously expensive.

Well yes a full coverage plan is very expensive. But if you get a decent major medical policy and pay for routine care with cash, you really aren't spending all that much assuming that you are generally healthy.

The biggest problem with the healthcare system is the mistaken notion that we have to have insurance to pay for everything.

 

[BoltNut]

It's a great bill for entrepreneurs and innovators. These folks see business opportunities, but there's a price to pay in taking those opportunities. I've got a good job with insurance coverage. If I were to give up that steady job, taking the risk of starting up a small business, I couldn't afford coverage on the individual insurance markets today. They're ridiculously expensive.

When the full provisions of this bill kick in, that won't be nearly as much of a concern. Innovators seeing an opportunity and grabbing it won't risk having themselves or somebody in their family get sick while they didn't have insurance.

Like Pelosi said, that's one of the real strong marks of this bill. It's a good bill for entrepreneurs.

I understand all that and, yes, it does provide opportunity for some to venture out on entrepreneurial endeavors. What happens when another 15 million people decide to "take the chance"? Are the rest of us suppose to be happy and encouraging of this sort of behavior while footing the bill for these new entrepreneurs?

 

[Toot La-Rue]

It's a great bill for entrepreneurs and innovators. These folks see business opportunities, but there's a price to pay in taking those opportunities. I've got a good job with insurance coverage. If I were to give up that steady job, taking the risk of starting up a small business, I couldn't afford coverage on the individual insurance markets today. They're ridiculously expensive.

When the full provisions of this bill kick in, that won't be nearly as much of a concern. Innovators seeing an opportunity and grabbing it won't risk having themselves or somebody in their family get sick while they didn't have insurance.

Like Pelosi said, that's one of the real strong marks of this bill. It's a good bill for entrepreneurs.

But the fact is, this bill isn't going to help TRUE entrepreneurs - all the small businesses out there right now who are going to pay, and pay heavily for providing all this stuff. Small businesses - entrepreneurships are worried sick how they're going to pay for this bill, and rightfully so.

These artists that Pelosi claims now have similar opportunities for entrepreneurship have always HAD those opportunities. If there was a market for what these artists want to do, they could do it, with or without healthcare "reform" - cuz ultimately what pays for medical insurance, health insurance - is the product or service that an entrepreneur goes into business to market.

Fundamentally then all Pelosi is touting is the fact that this health care bill will now SUBSIDIZE those who previously could not go into business for themselves, not because health care was too expensive, but because there was no market for what these artists could provide. If there was, we wouldn't even be talking about this right now.

Per Pelosi - all this is is a subsidy. Nothing more.

 

[Toot La-Rue]

Temper. Anyhow, since unlike you I consider entrepreneurship a good thing for the economy, my answer would obviously be yes.

I consider entrepreneurship vital for the economy. But this isn't about entrepreneurship - it's about subsidizing people who haven't an otherwise marketable skill or product.

Still, whether entrepreneurship was a "good" thing or not wasn't the question - the question was - "Was it your belief that the purpose of health care reform was to speak to artists and musicians, telling them they are now free to entrepreneurially pursue their creative aspirations at the taxpayer's expense?"

One pro-Pelosi comment on the link I provided had this to say by way of rebuttal:

...she's making the point that people will, theoretically, no longer be tied to their jobs for healthcare. Her argument is that, through the reforms, even people who are trying to make a living doing art and music will be able to afford their own insurance coverage.

...which pretty much proves what I've said above - that this is nothing more than a subsidy.

I realize health care costs are expensive and growing, but "untying" people from their jobs so they don't have to worry about an expense like healthcare (like all entrepreneurs today have had to worry yet somehow are able to make a go of their particular businesses), is a subsidy - it's subsidizing people whose particular skills or talents (or "aspirations") won't pay their bills - because frankly, there's insufficient demand for them. So per Pelosi, we're subsidizing them. Is that what you supported when you supported this bill?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

There is nothing enterpreneurial about it. She uses words and twist their meaning to deceive and lie. Its just plain old governmental takeover called socialism-nothing new! And not a new invention to start a business in capitalism which is the true meaning of this word. She is an univeral kook.

Socialists disagree.