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Sorry. Just if there was some al powerful group co ordinating everything, I'd expect empirical evidence. Plenty of evil, immorality and misguidedly harmful good intentions around, sure. I see no reason to believe they're all somehow organised.
Of course not. Satan doesn't plan and no one works with him.
I get that.
So in your mind, you got me.
I never said you said...
lol,... never mind.
Be happy, don't worry.
So we're invoking Satan as the driving force here? OK. Pretty pointless to get too worked up about it then.
I didn't get you. Just pointing out that you have yet to prove anything.
OK, "gotcha" must not not mean what I thought it did.
Pardon my confusion, and thank you for pointing out I have yet to prove anything.
I don't consent to "invoking", but since he wants God's place, and him being the most evil "driver",....
But of course, you're right. No point. Stay calm.
Sorry. Just if there was some al powerful group co ordinating everything, I'd expect empirical evidence. Plenty of evil, immorality and misguidedly harmful good intentions around, sure. I see no reason to believe they're all somehow organised.
Perhaps I should clarify, or simplify my comment.
When I used the term 'gotcha', I was saying I understand. I understand that you have yet to prove anything. Nothing but a running commentary that has led nowhere.
why do you think evidence?
if they are as powerful as is being presented, they would cover up as much evidence as they could?
here is one attack by the Massonic group P2 in Italy that infiltrated the Vatican Bank and was involved in money laundering
Roberto Calvi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Freemasonry has as one of its aims, the destruction of the Church because Freemasonry and Catholicism are incompatible
The problem with conspiracy mocking coincidence theorists, is that want to believe everyone pushing the conspiracy along, does it knowingly.
You can repeat it endlessly in myriad ways that lower level functionaries are only told what they need to know to accomplish their specific task. They act like the soldiers in the trenches are privy to everything the generals know.
That isn't how any of it works.
Goes to scale. If this super big, super powerful conspiracy were so super big and super powerful, they'd leave evidence. People make mistakes.why do you think evidence?
if they are as powerful as is being presented, they would cover up as much evidence as they could?
Like I said, I'm happy to accept any sufficiently large group will have self serving members who misuse their connections to do wrong. Be it Freemasons or Boy Scouts. Or the Church, for that matter. But one instance of one lodge "infiltrating" one bank does not a global conspiracy make.here is one attack by the Massonic group P2 in Italy that infiltrated the Vatican Bank and was involved in money laundering
Roberto Calvi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I'm still just not seeing it. Catholicism is incompatible with a lot of things, but I don't take that as prima facie evidence that those other things are bent on the destruction of the church.Freemasonry has as one of its aims, the destruction of the Church because Freemasonry and Catholicism are incompatible
ok, thank you for being honest about it
Forgive me for pointing out confirmation bias & other biases also explain the denial of evidence.Sorry. I've researched this a bit previously, and my honest opinion is that confirmation bias and a few other cognitive biases explain the existence of the belief in this conspiracy far better than, you know, an actual secret global conspiracy.
I was being sarcastic Rhamiel.
In all the years, in all the states, in all the countries I've attended lodge in, I've never heard anything negative concerning the Church.
Far to many Catholics are freemasons for that to be true.
In fact I've pointed out to you that there are long standing theories that there are freemasons in the Vatican.
You can't have it both ways.
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