Peace be upon you....

[Ibrahim]

Im not here to stirr up trouble and such like many chrisitans do in the forums that im apart of, im just here to learn more about chrisitanity and perhaps we can learn from eachother. I am a muslim living in Rhode Island USA, and i am a revert to Islam and am from a Sicilian/ american family. I wanted to know for one what sect of christian are you all?
There is a ayat (passage) from the Quran that i came across months ago that made me want to find the answer.
You can learn much here about the unity of the righteous peoples (chrisitans/ muslims) here> (wont let me post link... if you want pm me or by the will of Allah i can post another time.... important to read though)


What im hopeing to achieve one day is to becoem an Islamic scholar and help bring the muslims and chrsiitans together in a brotherhood that once existed before the crusades. With the signs of the anti-chrsit ever encroaching upon us and a rise in ignorance and athiesm in western countries ..... the righteous need to stand firm together and realise we are all Brothers and sisters under Allah (God) and we all honor and revere Eesaa (Jesus) a prophet and righteous man .... and we all agree that he will come back to lead the righteous against the Dajjal (anti-christ). Now i don't know how any of you will take this... it seems most catholic's agree with me but i have never encountered baptist or protestant about this before. If you would pelase red the link above that talks about the Muslim- Christian Alliance which is written by Bediuzzaman Said Nursi < an Islamic scholar. Peace be upon you all....

 

[Ken]

Hi Ibrahim.... the "sect" I am from is a relatively small denomination known as "Reformed Baptist", this denomination is very conservative in it's beliefs, by "Reformed" it is meant that we are Augustinian/Calvinistic in regard to soteriology (the doctrine of salvation) but differ from other Reformed denominations, e.g. Presbyterian, Lutheran, Episcopalian/Anglican who baptize infants... in other words, we practice believer's baptism, only those who make a profession of faith are baptized....



The next part of my response will probably be more difficult for you, and in a way, is more difficult for me... the reason being that I cannot consider you a "brother" is due to your rejection of one of the central tenants of conservative Christianity, namely the deity of Christ... so the "Jesus" that you, as a Muslim, preach and teach, who is simply a righteous man and a prophet is simply not the Jesus of the Bible. (Which, I realize, as a good Muslim, you must also deny the veracity of the Bible, claiming that it is filled with errors etc) The Jesus of the Bible was and is preexistent, i.e. is eternal in nature just as the Father is, and so is equal to the Father, being very God Himself, was born of a virgin, lived a perfect sinless righteous life, went to the cross, was buried and 3 days later bodily rose from the dead conquering sin and death, appeared to many of the disciples and at one time to 500 other people, and ascended to heaven where He sits at the right hand of the Father... which denotes a place of equality with God, ever interceding for His people..... Now, if you can affirm all of these beliefs, then I can call you a brother......



Another way to look at it is like this... there is only 1 true God... and it is my belief that this 1 true God is Triune in its ontology (being), so any other doctrine that denies this in actuality is advocating and worshipping a false god, a god that doesn't in reality even exist... now theoretically, I could be wrong, and if I am, then I am worshipping a false god as well... but the bottom line is this, we both (Muslim and their understanding of who God is, versus the conservative Christian's idea of who God is) cannot both be right, the two views are absolutely antithetical to one another....

 

[Ibrahim]

I feel very similiarly to your beliefs but of course from my point of view and faith. I thin kchrsitians dumb down the sense that muslims have of Eesa..... we do not call himGod but we honor him as a great prophet just like ALL the prophets (Salallahu Alaihe Wa Salaam) ...... muslims have GREAT love for prophet Jesus and we belief and testify to his great miracles and righteousness to almighty Allah. Jesus was a a muslim (meaning he submitted to almighty Allah and prostrated to him). It says i nthe bible that Eesa bowed his head before God and it also mentions of many other instances of prostration done by other prophets... the prophets prayed as the muslims do...... in the holy land Arab chrsitans even call God Allah.... it is only the word of God nothing more. I really cannot explain hte full meaning of Islam and the reason why Islam is the salvation for chrsiitans and all humanity now but i urge you to learn this pieous faith if you do have TRUE faith in one Lord one Rabb. I am not asking for you to denounce the greatness of Eesa and go against him but to only learn a greater meaning to life and God. I have studied both christianity and Islam for several years now but i am no where near to the knowlege of a Imaam or scholar (by the will of Allah one day i will be) but i feel it is important for muslims and chrisitans to start talknig to one another instead of getting all our info from the media and bias sources. I am no missionary only a man who knows what it was like to be a good chrisitan and worship God in that religion.....i made my reversion 4 1/2 years ago and i have many years to go before im really qualified to talk about my religion so please bear with me and realise thta my intentions are not to argue and spread anger but to only engage in peaceful and calm discussion. Perhaps i am not your chrisitan brother ken but i am a righteous man Alhamdulilah or at least i try my bes to be...... i only ask for respect and to be treated as a worshipper of God just as i respect you as that..... the thing is that we have MUCH more in common (True chrisitans and muslims) than a jew does with a chrisitan..... Chrisitanity and Islam are almost identicle except muslims have the Hadith and Quran.... we also have the old testemant and Gospel Alhamdulilah. There is much you do not know about Islam and that is not your fault at all.... and there is much muslims do not know about the chrisitans.... i know both sides and both sides deserve respect. I only ask for a chance to learn and insha'allah if you will let me let you learn but that is up to you. Right now im really just feeling out this forum and seeing if the chrsiitans here are more like the chrisitans i know who are very good people and very good to me or more like Jerry falwell or the 700 club

 

[Lanakila]

*Mod Hat On* I moved this from the formal debates section of General Apologetics, because that is not designed for this type of debate, and this seems to fit here better. *Mod Hat Off*

 

[tcampen]

Ibrahim,

Welcome. You will find a great variety of people in these forums: Christians of all persuasion - from ultra conservative to very liberal in their beliefs and interpretation of the bible. But you will also find Wiccans, Buddhists, Atheists, Agnostics, Skeptics, Jews, Mormons, and Muslims such as yourself. Most Christians here, tho, I would consider to be far more on the conservative side of their belief - generally meaning a belief in an inerrant bible, that only a fairly particular belief in and acceptance of Jesus can provide salvation, a rejection of a natural origin of our natural world and its living inhabitants, as well as the expected conservative view on social issues, like abortion.

It can get pretty heated sometimes, even ugly, unfortunately. But that is not a reflection of the individuals themselves, but rather the passion they feel towards the subject matter. I rarely take it personally.

As for me? I don't consider myself a Christian, except perhaps in the way Thomas Jefferson did, sincerely attached to the moral teaching of Jesus, but reject the supernatural claims associated to him. I generally don't believe in a personal God, but I understand how others can, and that just fine with me. I believe personal revelation is the foundation of any individuals true faith, which is something I could never, or would never, argue with. Finally, I believe it is possible to faithfully hold to one's own spiritual beliefs, even Christian beliefs, , and still retain respect and empathy for people who believe otherwise - rather than condemnation.

I'll slide you a couple of my blessings to get you started. Good luck.

 

[mo.mentum]

The next part of my response will probably be more difficult for you, and in a way, is more difficult for me... the reason being that I cannot consider you a "brother" is due to your rejection of one of the central tenants of conservative Christianity, namely the deity of Christ... so the "Jesus" that you, as a Muslim, preach and teach, who is simply a righteous man and a prophet is simply not the Jesus of the Bible. (Which, I realize, as a good Muslim, you must also deny the veracity of the Bible, claiming that it is filled with errors etc)

Hi Ken Let me show you something!

Each time an older manuscript of the Bible is discovered, many changes are required in the Bible to bring it in line with the ancient manuscripts. Mark 1:1 reads as follows:

“The beginning of the Gospel about Jesus Christ, the Son of God.b” (Mark 1:1, New International Version).

At the end of that verse, there is a small letter directing us to look at the footnote at the bottom of the page. There we find that some manuscripts do not have “the Son of God.” And those were ancient, reliable manuscripts. The evidence was so compelling that the editors of one Bible just simply removed the title Son of God from the verse altogether. Thus in the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures the verse reads:

“The beginning of the good news about Jesus Christ” (Mark 1:1).

The title ‘Son of God’ is no longer in that verse.

Another such change had to be made in the Acts of the Apostles 8:37 in every honest translation of the Bible prepared in this century. Evidence from old manuscripts demanded that the verse be removed from all present Bibles. If you go to your New International Version Bible and look for Acts 8:37 you will not find it in the text. You will find verse number 36, and then verse 38, but not 37. If you wish to know what verse 37 used to say, you need to check the footnote at the bottom of the page. This verse used to contain a confession that Jesus is the Son of God. It had to be removed because its absence from the most ancient manuscripts meant that someone added it to the later manuscripts.

Some changes become evident just by comparing one Gospel with another in the present Bibles. You can do this investigation yourself. One example of this is the centurion’s confession that Jesus is the Son of God as reported in Mark’s Gospel as follows:

“Truly this man was the Son of God” (Mark 15:39).

The same confession of the same centurion at the same scene, at the very moment, is reported in Luke also. But in Luke the Centurion is reported as saying:

“Certainly this man was innocent” (Luke 23:47).

In Luke the title Son of God is missing. Mark and Luke cannot both be right here. The confession is reported incorrectly in at least one Gospel.

 

[ALLHISGOD]

Selam alaykum va rahmtullahi wa barakatuhu
BRO.IBRAHIM

how are you?

wessalam

 

[mo.mentum]

Salaam Ibrahim and ALLHISGOD, where are you guys anyway?

 

[jonah]

Hello Ibrahim. As I try to be selective in the forums I get involved with this one seems worthwhile and sincere.
I am a Christian. Not because I am an American. Not because I grew up in the 'southern belt' of Christianity. Because I believe that Jesus Christ is indeed who he claimed to be..the Messiah. I would consider myself a non-denominational Evangelical Christian.
A couple of years ago I had an incredible discussion with a Muslim man from Saudi Arabia. It was respectful and very thoughtful. If you are such, as you seem to be...then I will give you my thoughts sincerely.

I can see why from your pov that you would call Christians 'brothers and sisters' and I understand how the Muslims revere God/ Jesus..etc. But you need to understand from a biblical perspective in the Christian faith we cannot call Muslims brothers and sisters. Am I correct to say that Muslims generally believe that first Judism, then Christianity, then Islam...as in a replacement? That Islam is more pure and less tainted than Christianity? This would be the grounds in which Islam does accept the legitimacy of three major religions as Judism, Christianity, Islam.
However, from a Christian pov 'Christianity' is not a religion...it is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ made a unique claim...to be God. Not just a prophet or a good man. The Messiah, the completer of the covenant God made with Abraham. The Promised one. You could say that Christianity is the description of beliefs that Jesus completed the covenants of Judism God has with Isreal. This my friend, is the pinnacle of what divides us. Now, I do not mean for saying something pointed like this (ex. cannot call Muslims 'brothers or sisters in righteousness) to be mean or disrespectful. I'm just being direct.

 

[jonah]

Perhaps i am not your chrisitan brother ken but i am a righteous man Alhamdulilah or at least i try my bes to be...... i only ask for respect and to be treated as a worshipper of God just as i respect you as that..... the thing is that we have MUCH more in common (True chrisitans and muslims) than a jew does with a chrisitan..... Chrisitanity and Islam are almost identicle except muslims have the Hadith and Quran.... we also have the old testemant and Gospel Alhamdulilah. There is much you do not know about Islam and that is not your fault at all.... and there is much muslims do not know about the chrisitans.... i know both sides and both sides deserve respect. I only ask for a chance to learn and insha'allah if you will let me let you learn but that is up to you. Right now im really just feeling out this forum and seeing if the chrsiitans here are more like the chrisitans i know who are very good people and very good to me or more like Jerry falwell or the 700 club

Sorry, got to say more as I did not read the quote in it's entirety.
It is two different things to call someone a 'brother' in righteousness and considering yourself as righteous as far a Christian pov. You a most likely a very decent person who is doing all the morally right things. From my pov I couldn't call you a 'brother' of mine in righteousness in the respect of accepting Christ's blood as the payment of righteousness to God.
Christianity and Islam are not alike as Jesus is the thorn that makes it so. If you understand Chrisitanity in its entirety you would see that.
As far as Jerry falwell and the 700 club go...I don't know alot about either but you can't base general opinions of Christianity on their faults, they are just people...as we shouldn't due to 9/11? ( I don't mean that meanly, just pointedly)

 

[radorth]

Thus in the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures the verse reads:

“The beginning of the good news about Jesus Christ” (Mark 1:1).

The title ‘Son of God’ is no longer in that verse.

Another such change had to be made in the Acts of the Apostles 8:37 in every honest translation of the Bible prepared in this century. Evidence from old manuscripts demanded that the verse be removed from all present Bibles. If you go to your New International Version Bible and look for Acts 8:37 you will not find it in the text. You will find verse number 36, and then verse 38, but not 37. If you wish to know what verse 37 used to say, you need to check the footnote at the bottom of the page. This verse used to contain a confession that Jesus is the Son of God. It had to be removed because its absence from the most ancient manuscripts meant that someone added it to the later manuscripts.

Some changes become evident just by comparing one Gospel with another in the present Bibles. You can do this investigation yourself. One example of this is the centurion’s confession that Jesus is the Son of God as reported in Mark’s Gospel as follows:

“Truly this man was the Son of God” (Mark 15:39).

The same confession of the same centurion at the same scene, at the very moment, is reported in Luke also. But in Luke the Centurion is reported as saying:

“Certainly this man was innocent” (Luke 23:47).

Mo let me help your case for a change. The informed Chrsitian who reads commentaries and footnotes by scholars have known for a hundred years that about 2% of the NT is unsupportable. Some of these verses may have been inserted by God's little helpers. Some of Matthew's commentary on the resurrection appears exaggerated. The last verses in Mark appear to have been added. The verse "many are called but few chosen" was inserted.

Unfortunately for your case, there is no question about other verses such as

"I and the father are one."

Peter in Acts 2:

"Therefore being exalted to the right hand God...He poured out this which yu see and hear...Therefore let all Israel know that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified both Lord and Christ."

Peter clearly says "You are the Christ, the son of the living God!" and Jesus says this was revealed to Peter by God himself.

The apostles hear a voice from heaven saying "This is my beloeved Son in whom I am well pleased."

An angle tells Mary "He will be great and will be caled the Son of the Most high God."

John calls him "the only begotten Son"

John the baptist call him "the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world."

Jesus does call himself the Son, contrary to your assertions. "This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified through it." (John 11:4) Of course every time he said something like that, he risked an early crucifixion.

As you know, everytime he said anything publically like "I and the father are one," the Jews wanted to stone him. They often complained he made himself coequal with God, so there was no question in their minds that he thought he was the Son of God.

Paul calls Jesus "the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, upholding all things by the word of his power." This is no mere man born of woman, like Muhammed, as you would have us believe.

The problem Mo is that there are very few such references could have been inserted later, and which do not appear in early ms. And so what if 2 or 3 were added by scribes who thought they were reassuring the faithful? It doesn't change the basic facts at all. Only those of fragile faith would fall away if the found a few insertions were true, but I suppose that is the kind of Christian you are after here.

And of course you haven't one shred of evidence that Jesus was not crucified- a key to our faith which you will never gainsay hard as you try. Even atheists think this assertion by Muslims is historically absurd and certainly unprovable.

Nice try though. I guess you thought you could make a few Christians stumble, but you will never convince an informed Christian.

Rad

 

[mo.mentum]

Am I correct to say that Muslims generally believe that first Judism, then Christianity, then Islam...as in a replacement? That Islam is more pure and less tainted than Christianity? This would be the grounds in which Islam does accept the legitimacy of three major religions as Judism, Christianity, Islam.

Hey brother Jonah

You're almost there but not quite. Islam doesn't see itself as a replacement, or that the 3 religions are version 1.0, 2.0 and 3.0

In fact, our argument is that God has always sent messengers to mankind, some we know about (mentioned in the Bible and the Qur'an) others we don't. But the main thing is that trhough these men, God has always sent the same religion, one of submission to His Will as One God. Muhammad is actually the LAST prophet of Islam, Abraham being the first. To us, all prophets preached Islam, or submission to One God. Each messenger was given a Scripture to give to his own people. The Qur'an is like a compilation of all these and a bit more, with set rules and commandments for ALL aspects of life. We compare the Qur'an to Jesus himself, not the Bible. They were BOTH the Word of God, one in flesh, one in text.

However, from a Christian pov 'Christianity' is not a religion...it is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ made a unique claim...to be God. Not just a prophet or a good man. The Messiah, the completer of the covenant God made with Abraham. The Promised one.

We have the same, we don't see Islam as a religion. Religion is only one fraction of Islam, it's a state of mind, of being. You become aware of God in everything you do, and have a personal relationship with God Himself. The purpose of the 5 daily prayers (Salat) is to enter into a private communion with God on a daily basis, this is extremely helpful especially in our hectic 9-5 lives! The rest of the day, He's always with us.

So we have many similarities, just 'cause you conceive of Him differently, shouldn't put us at odds!

 

[mo.mentum]

From my pov I couldn't call you a 'brother' of mine in righteousness in the respect of accepting Christ's blood as the payment of righteousness to God.

That's fine. Would you call a Jewish person your 'brother' though? I don't see why they're sitll considered God's chosen people if they rejected Jesus. Can anyone enlighten me on this?

 

[mo.mentum]

Hey radroth.

Here's a piece I found by a non-muslim author on the history of the Jews: "...we can deduce that the inhabitants of Hijaz during Muhammad's time knew portions, at least, of 3 Enoch in association with the Jews. The angels over which Metatron becomes chief are identified in the Enoch traditions as the sons of God, the Bene Elohim, the Watchers, the fallen ones as the causer of the flood. In 1 Enoch, and 4 Ezra, the term Son of God can be applied to the Messiah, but most often it is applied to the righteous men, of whom Jewish tradition holds there to be no more righteous than the ones God elected to translate to heaven alive. It is easy, then, to imagine that among the Jews of the Hijaz who were apparently involved in mystical speculations associated with the merkabah, Ezra, because of the traditions of his translation, because of his piety, and particularly because he was equated with Enoch as the Scribe of God, could be termed one of the Bene Elohim(sons of God). And, of course, he would fit the description of religious leader (one of the ahbar of the Qur'ân 9:31) whom the Jews had exalted." G D Newby, A History Of The Jews Of Arabia, 1988, University Of South Carolina Press, p. 59.

Your thoughts?

 

[Ryoko Ozaki]

To Ibrahim,

A rise in atheism is not a bad thing. Please choose to believe and not to think that your religion is the turth. Christians like that already give us non-Christians a hard time.

I found exactly what I wanted in Buddhism, and am not in any kind of denial about anything, nor do I agree that Chrsitianity or Islam is the truth. So please try to get out of your own ignorance, and shed your ego.

Peace.

 

[jonah]

That's fine. Would you call a Jewish person your 'brother' though? I don't see why they're sitll considered God's chosen people if they rejected Jesus. Can anyone enlighten me on this?

No. I wouldn't. But I'll expound on it..might be long. (sorry)

As you know...Abraham is living his life in Haran when God comes to him. He says to leave his country, father's house and people and "go to the land I will show you" Gen 11.31 Of course Abraham does. God makes this covenant with Abraham that He would make him a great nation and will bless him, etc..all of which you know already. God continues His blessing through Issac. Abraham asked on behalf of Ishmael and God blessed him too...but the covenant was continued through Issac. Man would see this as unfair.. God chose Israel to bring the Messiah. When you think of how God made a nation out of nothing, makes a covenant sealed in blood with Abraham, and then promises to be as a husband to his ever unfaithful wife. It truly shows that God is interested in demonstrating some very key things he wants us to understand...and of course in only ways we can relate to.
How many of us could grasp what extreme love it would be to take a person in its infantcy. Make a faithful promise. Raise her. Love her. And then become a husband to her. But woe! She is constantly harloting herself to another! EZEKIAL 16 !! She comes from NOTHING, and no one has pity on her. He passes her by and sees her kicking in her own blood. He said to her "LIVE!" Her made her grow like a plant in the field. She became the most beautiful of jewels. Later He passes by and when she was old enough He loved her, and spread the corner of His garment around her. He entered a covenant with her "I gave you my solemn oath and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Sovereign LORD, and you became mine." (vs 8)
He loves her! No matter what!
Ok..here it comes..vs 15..."But you trusted in your beauty and used your fame to become a prostitute" And the story goes on! A must read!
You know, God used this to demonstrate in a very relevent way that He is faithful no matter what we do. He had His plan to bring the Messiah through the nation of Israel..with or without their obedience. Of course they would crucify Jesus...but so did I ..with my constant sin and unholiness without the payment of Christ's blood. Many Jews don't believe Jesus was who he uniquely claimed to be..the MESSIAH! The fulfillment of the covenant of God.
But God is so holy, pure, perfect...what could man do to come into His presence? From the start He required sacrifice. But Christ claimed to be the sacrifice. Not just a prophet.

Interestingly you may consider Christ a great prophet BUT HE NEVER CLAIMED TO BE THAT. He claimed to be SO MUCH MORE.
I hope that makes sense and answers that question.

 

[radorth]

Here's a piece I found by a non-muslim author on the history of the Jews: "...we can deduce that the inhabitants of Hijaz during Muhammad's time knew portions, at least, of 3 Enoch in association with the Jews. The angels over which Metatron becomes chief are identified in the Enoch traditions as the sons of God, the Bene Elohim, the Watchers, the fallen ones as the causer of the flood. In 1 Enoch, and 4 Ezra, the term Son of God can be applied to the Messiah, but most often it is applied to the righteous men, of whom Jewish tradition holds there to be no more righteous than the ones God elected to translate to heaven alive. It is easy, then, to imagine that among the Jews of the Hijaz who were apparently involved in mystical speculations associated with the merkabah, Ezra, because of the traditions of his translation, because of his piety, and particularly because he was equated with Enoch as the Scribe of God, could be termed one of the Bene Elohim(sons of God). And, of course, he would fit the description of religious leader (one of the ahbar of the Qur'ân 9:31) whom the Jews had exalted." G D Newby, A History Of The Jews Of Arabia, 1988, University Of South Carolina Press, p. 59.

Your thoughts?

They are not sinless

They are not called "the Lamb of God."

They are not called to die for the sins of the people as even Cephas tacitly acknowledged.

They are not seated at the right hand of God.

They were not resurrected from the dead.

They are not called "the Word, and the word was God."

They are not called "Lord and Christ."

They do not have authority to die for the sins of "the whole world"

They are not called "the express image of his person, upholding all things by the word of his power, having purged our sins"

They do not refer to themselves as the Son of God as Jesus did. They are called as a group the "sons of God."

Those are my thoughts. What are yours, that all these references are just incorrect translations? Or are you once again trying to cover the holes in your religious theories with flowered wallpaper?

Rad

 

[jonah]

Hey brother Jonah

You're almost there but not quite. Islam doesn't see itself as a replacement, or that the 3 religions are version 1.0, 2.0 and 3.0

In fact, our argument is that God has always sent messengers to mankind, some we know about (mentioned in the Bible and the Qur'an) others we don't. But the main thing is that trhough these men, God has always sent the same religion, one of submission to His Will as One God. Muhammad is actually the LAST prophet of Islam, Abraham being the first. To us, all prophets preached Islam, or submission to One God. Each messenger was given a Scripture to give to his own people. The Qur'an is like a compilation of all these and a bit more, with set rules and commandments for ALL aspects of life. We compare the Qur'an to Jesus himself, not the Bible. They were BOTH the Word of God, one in flesh, one in text.





We have the same, we don't see Islam as a religion. Religion is only one fraction of Islam, it's a state of mind, of being. You become aware of God in everything you do, and have a personal relationship with God Himself. The purpose of the 5 daily prayers (Salat) is to enter into a private communion with God on a daily basis, this is extremely helpful especially in our hectic 9-5 lives! The rest of the day, He's always with us.

So we have many similarities, just 'cause you conceive of Him differently, shouldn't put us at odds!

No. I don't feel at odds, emotionally speaking that is. And I appreciate the zeal for God that you obviously have and the desire to know God. I think Muslims in general are sincerely trying to seek out God and please Him.
Yes there are some similar points but there are some differences that prevent Islam and Christianity from being the same.
I am curious though, do you consider yourself a Sunnis or a Shias, or something else?

 

[mo.mentum]

I am curious though, do you consider yourself a Sunnis or a Shias, or something else?

I am Sunni, like 90% of Muslims. But the differences with us and the Shia (and betwene most Muslim denominations) are purely political, they regard affairs of state. The theology and conception of God and His prophets is identical in other aspects. The Qur'an is of course the same for all Muslims, denominations don't have different versions.

Yourself?

 

[Ryoko Ozaki]

I warship Mash Potatoes and Gravy.