PC Gaming Dead?

[SteelDisciple]

Read an interesting article on CNET asking if PC gaming is dead.

Personally..I don't think it's anywhere near dead. Though Microsoft and Sony deffinetly are growing in players rapidly.

Right now...PC gaming for ONLINE play only has a big advantage in that when you buy an online game...you are getting a multitude of quality games with it in the form of total conversion mods. Plus being able to mod your server...make new ways to prevent cheating (PC gaming is the safest way to play at the moment without cheaters) and made custom server rules.

But I think if there ever comes a time where console games can be modded...by creating a connection between an Xbox and a PC..where you can download tools for a specific game...create the mod on the PC and then upload it to your Xbox...THEN we are going to see console gaming by FAR exceed PC gaming.

But so far..it's the freedom of PC gaming that keeps it so popular. I would LOVE to see moddable console games. But for this moment in time...buying something like Call of Duty 2 for the PC is giving you a whole lot more for your money than buying it for a console where you play it once or twice and that's ALL you can do with it...(unless you count the shallow online play)


Just imagine being able to buy a game like Halo or Ninja Gaiden for your Xbox whatever...and then after you've beat the game...people had already finished a few mods..you go online and download new levels FREE for your games...or in the case of Halo..get an entirely NEW game, using the Halo engine but completely different in every other aspect. Now THAT would be awesome...and I believe that is where console gaming IS headed..maybe not with the Xbox 360..but you can tell already just by looking at its features..that PC's and consoles are going to intregrate more and more together until they really work as one.

 

[Hitokiri Battousai]

yeahh duh
people are not as ritch as game makers think they are.
i dont want to play a lot of money for a pc then i could get a Xbox ps2 or game cube for way less then new parts.
and with the Xbox 360 witch is just about as good as PCs i dont know why some one would want some thing that can slow down.
but if you have a mac you can just click delete on the things that are slowing down your pc..but who wants a mac

 

[JusttheFAQs]

I don't think it's dead by any stretch but as consoles become more powerful and PC-like, they are beginning to have many of the same games and consoles are finally matching PCs hardware-wise. If consoles take that next step and become enough like a PC WRT mods and controls for RTS and FPS, I think that will definately put PC gaming into a decline.

If I could buy a 360, hook it up to my PC monitor, attach a kb/m and play Age of Empires 3 or Quake 4, then download some AoE maps or play WoW, my PC would become a web-browsing email machine. Console makers aren't stupid and they are definately learning so I don't think it will be long before some of that happens. I'm hopeful anyway. I'd rather pay $400 for a 360 than $1000 for a decent gaming PC.

 

[SteelDisciple]

yeahh duh
people are not as ritch as game makers think they are.
i dont want to play a lot of money for a pc then i could get a Xbox ps2 or game cube for way less then new parts.
and with the Xbox 360 witch is just about as good as PCs i dont know why some one would want some thing that can slow down.
but if you have a mac you can just click delete on the things that are slowing down your pc..but who wants a mac

People buy PC games because they can be modded. When you buy a game like Battlefield 1942 you are getting a ton of quality games with it...all FREE and made by fans for the fans.

As for money...for the price of an Xbox 360 and a game or two you can upgrade your PC to play the most modern PC games out.

But anyway...this thread isn't about that...it's about seeing consoles eventually getting what PC gamers have enjoyed exclusively for so long. I BET it will happen on Microsofts next system..AFTER the 360.

 

[SteelDisciple]

I don't think it's dead by any stretch but as consoles become more powerful and PC-like, they are beginning to have many of the same games and consoles are finally matching PCs hardware-wise. If consoles take that next step and become enough like a PC WRT mods and controls for RTS and FPS, I think that will definately put PC gaming into a decline.

If I could buy a 360, hook it up to my PC monitor, attach a kb/m and play Age of Empires 3 or Quake 4, then download some AoE maps or play WoW, my PC would become a web-browsing email machine. Console makers aren't stupid and they are definately learning so I don't think it will be long before some of that happens. I'm hopeful anyway. I'd rather pay $400 for a 360 than $1000 for a decent gaming PC.

Oh yeah..I mean..if you look at the 360's features...it's already intregrated into the PC in a lot of ways...and the PS3 is suppose to do much of the same (and can we say Blueray? Ohhh yessssss, that's something Microsoft could learn from Sony) I mean..if we are already to this level..we will deffinetly see FULL intregration..meaning MODS for games made by fans in the next gen console...or MAYBE..just maybe the current gens like the 360 and the PS3...but not certain on that one...they have a lot of options and flexibility...I suppose it's possible to do it.

 

[Hitokiri Battousai]

The thing is Microsoft is dumb they dont want us to make are own maps on the 360 and xbox.

i have played some games ware thare makers dont care if people mod and hack the game and so people put more new stuff in the game thare self. and that was on the 1st xbox.

we can download games and demos from xbox live on the 360
and we can use video chat and a lot of other things.

it's not a matter of the 360 not being able to handle it thats not true people can down load lots of new maps for halo 2 and other games. and the 360 is just as good as PCs

they are going to have half life 2 on the xbox and xbox 360.

and the xbox 360 has a 20GB harddrive and i am sure we will be able to buy bigger ones.

as for up gradeing you still did not tell me how much it would cost to get a normal none gameing pc so it is good as the 360. if th ps2 can handle mmorpgs then the 360 can handle much more.

 

[SteelDisciple]

The thing is Microsoft is dumb they dont want us to make are own maps on the 360 and xbox.

i have played some games ware thare makers dont care if people mod and hack the game and so people put more new stuff in the game thare self. and that was on the 1st xbox.

we can download games and demos from xbox live on the 360
and we can use video chat and a lot of other things.

it's not a matter of the 360 not being able to handle it thats not true people can down load lots of new maps for halo 2 and other games. and the 360 is just as good as PCs

they are going to have half life 2 on the xbox and xbox 360.

and the xbox 360 has a 20GB harddrive and i am sure we will be able to buy bigger ones.

as for up gradeing you still did not tell me how much it would cost to get a normal none gameing pc so it is good as the 360. if th ps2 can handle mmorpgs then the 360 can handle much more.

It's not just maps. Modding can be a total conversion. Imagine taking Halo..and modding it so that it isn't even HALO anymore..it's a completely new game.
And you brought up a point I was about to post...it also depends on the company in charge of the system...Microsoft is wanting to charge for maps...I'm betting they wouldn't allow people to make mods because then people would buy less games..too busy playing mods....what they fail to understand is that modding sells more games...because you have to buy the GAME in order to play the mod.
Yes..Half-Life 2 is on the Xbox...but it's missing the most VITAL part that makes the game so great on the PC..the very active modding community. Total Conversion mods..NOT just maps. If Microsoft would allow for people to make total conversion mods...then that would be truely awesome.

As for price...I'd say around $700 for a PC that could handle games like Call of Duty 2 on the same graphics quality of the 360. PC parts have really gone down in price lately. You can get a great car for under $200..depending on where you shop.

 

[JusttheFAQs]

Yes..Half-Life 2 is on the Xbox...but it's missing the most VITAL part that makes the game so great on the PC..the very active modding community. Total Conversion mods..NOT just maps. If Microsoft would allow for people to make total conversion mods...then that would be truely awesome.

Absolutely. Sometimes I think Counterstrike became more popular than Halflife ever was itself.

 

[SteelDisciple]

Absolutely. Sometimes I think Counterstrike became more popular than Halflife ever was itself.

Heck yeah..for sure it did.
And actually with Battlefield 1942...tons of people who bought that game didn't even PLAY the game...they bought it for the Desert Combat mod =P

 

[Hitokiri Battousai]

but still.
you can mod a xbox and play on xb ox connect...i guss...
i have played some FPS for the PC and i know about mods but it was a long time ago and i forgot that part.

but still PCs slow down easy with fire walls so people cant hack
and fire walls update and slow stuff down some times.
and a lot of things go on that make the PC slower then the 360.
and the thing is mods can have stuff that can mess up your xbox and 360 and PC.

but yes, if you have the money sure buy a PC but a lot of great games are not going to be on the PC like halo 2 and animalcrossing.

 

[Macano]

I'm afraid that if/when console games are somehow made moddable, and mods are made by the fanbase, that you will only be able to access them through official means via Sony, Microsoft, or whomever, for a fee. I just have this gut feeling they would package them and sell them for download, rather than the way it works on pc's where you can get so much content for free.

 

[Hitokiri Battousai]

yeah..and when i think about it i guess i am just mad that i dont have a good pc (>_<)

 

[JusttheFAQs]

yeah..and when i think about it i guess i am just mad that i dont have a good pc (>_<)

I feel your pain.

Sitting on a 1GHz Athlon here so when I say Call of Duty 2 or Doom 3 it just starts laughing at me and says, "Yeah, right."

 

[Sketcher]

The thing is Microsoft is dumb they dont want us to make are own maps on the 360 and xbox.

I don't think Microsoft is dumb. When it comes to business, they are very smart.

There is more money for them right now in everything PC related than in the Xbox. Many people buy PCs for gaming, and you need Windows to play games decently. People don't want to mess with emulation unless they care more about Linux than their games. Microsoft has succeeded in making a good gaming platform in the Xbox, but less people may wind up getting Windows and Office if gamers abandon the PC. Open source software is getting stronger, and I don't think they want to let their guard down.

 

[Hitokiri Battousai]

But the thing is macs are better for gamers.
no spyware no hacking and so no slowing down.
but the thing is a lot of gamers are dumb and dont know a thing about games
and most none PC gamers dont know a thing about Mods and stuff.
so why would mistosoft want to let people break the copyrights or games and let people mod them. People have ben sued for makeing nude modles of DOA girls. but yes you are right microsoft is not dumb and thats how Bill gates got 44Billion. I have a windows PC and dont get me wrong i love the Xbox and i am going to get a 360 but i hate how microsoft puts so much windows fiels and stuff in are PCs so we cant switch to mac even if we want to.

 

[Silent Enigma]

Go to a Wal mart and compare the console game selection to the PC game selection. If PC gaming isn't dead, it's pretty close.

 

[JusttheFAQs]

Go to a Wal mart and compare the console game selection to the PC game selection. If PC gaming isn't dead, it's pretty close.

At the 2 Wal marts here there are more overall console games since they are split into 3 sections for 3 different consoles but if you group them by game title irrespective of platform, there are more PC games. Of course it could be a demographic thing too and not many PC games are sold in your area.

 

[FamilyFriendlyGaming]

There are tons of great Christian games out, and coming out, so no it is not anywhere near dead. It is just starting to get life (and life abundantly).

 

[Hitokiri Battousai]

Well i move a lot and let me tell you wal marts do have more PC games but a lot are not realygreat games a lot are games like "400 games!" amd "PC slots!" and dumb stuff like that.

and the thing is how offen do new good PC games come out? tell me as much as games for the xbox and the ps2? but i bet more then the gamecube seeing how they dont come out with a lot of games.

 

[JusttheFAQs]

and the thing is how offen do new good PC games come out? tell me as much as games for the xbox and the ps2? but i bet more then the gamecube seeing how they dont come out with a lot of games.

Usually at the same time they come out for Xbox and PS2 since most new games are cross-platform. Of course there are platform specific games but that includes PC as well with RTS and TBS and even a lot of those get a later port to PC (Halo, GTA, KOTOR, Fable, etc.). The only genre that's really lacking for PC, IMO, is platformers.