Paul's presents Genesis as literal and not parable.

[Speedwell]

Is it possible to believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ IF you don't believe His Father's account of the Creation?

It is not even necessary to believe it is His Father's account.

 

[Aman777]

But I do believe the Genesis creation accounts. I believe they are allegories.

Are you saying that one must believe in the Genesis creation accounts as literal history in order to be saved?

Changing God's Holy Word into allegory is the same as making up your own religion, your own belief. I seek the AGREEMENT of Scripture, Science and History and EVERY other discovered Truth of mankind. Faith plus Fact equals God's Truth IF you have the correct interpretation. Only the Christians of the "last days" can understand. Dan 12:4

 

[Speedwell]

Changing God's Holy Word into allegory is the same as making up your own religion, your own belief.

Not if it was allegory to start with.

 

[Aman777]

It is not even necessary to believe it is His Father's account.

Then tell us WHERE to get the Faith to believe that Jesus rose from the dead the third day since it is NOT of yourselves, lest any man boast.

 

[Aman777]

Not if it was allegory to start with.

It's empirical (testable) Truth which will be understood by the people of the last days before Jesus returns. This includes ALL flesh which means it comes from the scientific discoveries of our time. Otherwise, evolutionists, scoffers and unbelievers would never accept it. Want evidence of WHEN God started to reveal this last year?

 

[Speedwell]

Then tell us WHERE to get the Faith to believe that Jesus rose from the dead the third day since it is NOT of yourselves, lest any man boast.

What does the historicity of the creation stories in Genesis (which is what we were talking about) have to do with the truth of the Resurrection? In any case, I cannot answer your question because my true opinion of Sola Scriptura would not stand the scrutiny of the forum moderators.

 

[Archivist]

Changing God's Holy Word into allegory is the same as making up your own religion, your own belief. I seek the AGREEMENT of Scripture, Science and History and EVERY other discovered Truth of mankind. Faith plus Fact equals God's Truth IF you have the correct interpretation. Only the Christians of the "last days" can understand. Dan 12:4

So I and many other Christians--probably the majority of Christians--are "making up" our own religion simply because we do not believe Genesis is literal history.

What of the people on this thread who have said that the bread of Holy Communion is not the body of Christ? Are they also making up their own religion?

 

[Aman777]

What does the historicity of the creation stories in Genesis (which is what we were talking about) have to do with the truth of the Resurrection? In any case, I cannot answer your question because my true opinion of Sola Scriptura would not stand the scrutiny of the forum moderators.

Because you MUST believe that God IS and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him, in order to receive the saving Gift of Faith.

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.

One MUST believe in the God of Creation and that He gives them the gift of Faith to believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, in order to be drawn to Jesus. We are His workmanship and one should give the Father credit for His Love in creating mankind in Christ Spiritually.

Jhn 6:44 No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Today is the last Day. Today is the 6th Creative Day. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

So I and many other Christians--probably the majority of Christians--are "making up" our own religion simply because we do not believe Genesis is literal history.

What of the people on this thread who have said that the bread of Holy Communion is not the body of Christ? Are they also making up their own religion?

A religion is a belief. Genesis one is the complete history of God's 6 Day/Age Creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven. It AGREES in every way with EVERY other Truth which has been discovered by mankind. Faith plus Fact equals God's Truth which is the Truth in every way.

Eating bread, being circumcised, or baptized, is a work of man, which is NOT the power of God unto Salvation.

Eph 2:8 For by grace (unmerited reward) are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

[Archivist]

Because you MUST believe that God IS and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him, in order to receive the saving Gift of Faith.

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.

One MUST believe in the God of Creation and that He gives them the gift of Faith to believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, in order to be drawn to Jesus. We are His workmanship and one should give the Father credit for His Love in creating mankind in Christ Spiritually.

Jhn 6:44 No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Today is the last Day. Today is the 6th Creative Day. God Bless you

But believing in the God of Creation is different than believing in a literal reading of Genesis.

 

[Archivist]

A religion is a belief. Genesis one is the complete history of God's 6 Day/Age Creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven. It AGREES in every way with EVERY other Truth which has been discovered by mankind. Faith plus Fact equals God's Truth which is the Truth in every way.

Eating bread, being circumcised, or baptized, is a work of man, which is NOT the power of God unto Salvation.

Eph 2:8 For by grace (unmerited reward) are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Baptism and Holy Communion are both Sacraments.

 

[-57]

No, A and B are both interpretations of the same story. A is not "the Bible," it is your interpretation of the Bible.

Let me get this straight...the bible say Man was formed from the dust....B says man was formed from the apes.
How do you go from dust to ape? Especially when apes is not in the bible....it's not my interpration of the bible but rather exactly what the bible says.

 

[rjs330]

So I and many other Christians--probably the majority of Christians--are "making up" our own religion simply because we do not believe Genesis is literal history.

What of the people on this thread who have said that the bread of Holy Communion is not the body of Christ? Are they also making up their own religion?

There is SCRIPTURAL evidence that could lead one to consider that the body and blood of communion may not be literal. It may be literal also. God certainly has the power to such a miracle. But there is scriptural statements that could lead us to consider it as not actual. However there are NO scriptures that could lead us to consider that Genesis is allegory. In fact there are many scriptures that tell us its not allegory. So, it would be foolish of me to say, I have zero scriptures that point to Genesis as allegory and many that state it's historical, but I believe it's allegory anyway without any scriptural evidence.

Meanwhile on the idea of the blood and body of Christ I have scriptures that would lead me to believe that cannibalism is not good therefore God wouldn't ask me to be a cannibal. However Jesus did say this is my body so somehow God uses a miracle to change the bread into actual flesh after it goes down therefore it's not really cannibalism. So I believe it is his real flesh and blood. There is an scriptural argument for both. Whereas there is NO scriptural argument for Genesis being allegory.

 

[Speedwell]

There is SCRIPTURAL evidence that could lead one to consider that the body and blood of communion may not be literal. It may be literal also. God certainly has the power to such a miracle. But there is scriptural statements that could lead us to consider it as not actual. However there are NO scriptures that could lead us to consider that Genesis is allegory. In fact there are many scriptures that tell us its not allegory. So, it would be foolish of me to say, I have zero scriptures that point to Genesis as allegory and many that state it's historical, but I believe it's allegory anyway without any scriptural evidence.

Meanwhile on the idea of the blood and body of Christ I have scriptures that would lead me to believe that cannibalism is not good therefore God wouldn't ask me to be a cannibal. However Jesus did say this is my body so somehow God uses a miracle to change the bread into actual flesh after it goes down therefore it's not really cannibalism. So I believe it is his real flesh and blood. There is an scriptural argument for both. Whereas there is NO scriptural argument for Genesis being allegory.

I don't think you have the problem stated correctly. There is no question that Gen 1 & 2 are allegorical. Figurative interpretations of Genesis are almost as old as the book itself and have been entertained by many Christian theologians over the centuries. That is where the greatest value of the stories lies.

No, the pertinent questions are 1. Is Genesis also (not instead of) 100% literal history and 2. Is it necessary to salvation to believe it is?

 

[Archivist]

Let me get this straight...the bible say Man was formed from the dust....B says man was formed from the apes.
How do you go from dust to ape? Especially when apes is not in the bible....it's not my interpration of the bible but rather exactly what the bible says.

Because dust is presented as part of an allegory.

 

[Archivist]

There is SCRIPTURAL evidence that could lead one to consider that the body and blood of communion may not be literal. It may be literal also. God certainly has the power to such a miracle. But there is scriptural statements that could lead us to consider it as not actual. However there are NO scriptures that could lead us to consider that Genesis is allegory. In fact there are many scriptures that tell us its not allegory. So, it would be foolish of me to say, I have zero scriptures that point to Genesis as allegory and many that state it's historical, but I believe it's allegory anyway without any scriptural evidence.

Meanwhile on the idea of the blood and body of Christ I have scriptures that would lead me to believe that cannibalism is not good therefore God wouldn't ask me to be a cannibal. However Jesus did say this is my body so somehow God uses a miracle to change the bread into actual flesh after it goes down therefore it's not really cannibalism. So I believe it is his real flesh and blood. There is an scriptural argument for both. Whereas there is NO scriptural argument for Genesis being allegory.

Speedwell is, as usual, correct. Many over the years have considered Genesis to be allegory.

Wouldn't you agree that there is a major difference between Biblical admonishments regarding parents eating that own children and Jesus telling us "this is my body?"

My point is that you are picking and choosing what to believe. You are saying that we all must believe two differing stories written by unknown authors probably at different times, one of which involves a talking snake, as literal history while ignoring the plain meaning of the words of our Lord and savior. Unlike you, I am not trying to tell anyone what to believe. As I have said over and over, you are free to your own interpretation of scripture.

 

[Aman777]

But believing in the God of Creation is different than believing in a literal reading of Genesis.

Not if you have the proper interpretation of Genesis. You will know when you have the correct interpretation WHEN every other discovered Truth of Science and History AGREES in every way with God's story of the creation in Genesis one. It's the way God has chosen to reveal His Truth to the people of the last days of this Earth.

 

[Aman777]

Baptism and Holy Communion are both Sacraments.

Amen, of some denominations. For Baptists they are an outward expression of an inward happening. The thief on the cross next to Jesus didn't have time to be baptized or to take communion BUT he will be with us in Heaven. Amen? Luk 23:43

 

[Aman777]

Let me get this straight...the bible say Man was formed from the dust....

Amen. Genesis 2:4-7 says that man was formed of the dust BEFORE the plants herbs and trees GREW on the 3rd Day.

*** B says man was formed from the apes.

Amen. Today's Humans (descendants of Adam) have the superior intelligence of Adam inside them...AND....our DNA is from the common ancestor of Apes. This AGREES with Genesis 1:21 which shows that "every living creature that moveth" came forth from WATER.

*** How do you go from dust to ape? Especially when apes is not in the bible....it's not my interpration of the bible but rather exactly what the bible says.

Read Genesis 6:1-4 and you should see that the combination of the sons of God (prehistoric people) and Humans (descendants of Adam) makes today's Humans who have Adam's intelligence which is like God's Gen 3:22 AND the DNA of prehistoric people who descended from the common ancestor of Apes. God's Truth is the Truth in every way

 

[Archivist]

Not if you have the proper interpretation of Genesis. You will know when you have the correct interpretation WHEN every other discovered Truth of Science and History AGREES in every way with God's story of the creation in Genesis one. It's the way God has chosen to reveal His Truth to the people of the last days of this Earth.

And of course you claim to have the proper interpretation, and those who disagree with you do not.

And, of course, as I have said multiple times, you are entitled to your interpretation.