Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
The voicing changes from first person to third person. Usually that would indicate a parenthetical insertion by the transcriber or narrator--an especially important indicator in a language without quotation marks. You guys say not; what is your explanation for it?
It's right there in plain English. I agree that you would have to show it in the original Hebrew to a settle the case--go right ahead if you can, but people I know who can read Hebrew assure me that it is there.I don't agree there is a change of voicing.
.
What you are describing sounds a lot like Modalistic Monarchianism, which has been an heresy since the 4th century.For example, Adam walked and spoke with God, but we learn through the Scriptures that he was actually speaking with Jesus Christ, the son of God. Nobody, not even Adam before the fall, could look upon the face of God and survive. Nobody has seen the Father at any time but the Son.
Is it not enough that we know we are sinners in need of redemption?
Tell that to Bob Dole, who always referred to himself in the third person.The voicing changes from first person to third person. Usually that would indicate a parenthetical insertion by the transcriber or narrator--an especially important indicator in a language without quotation marks. You guys say not; what is your explanation for it?
Which is also in the third person.
And people generally considered him to be weird for doing it.Tell that to Bob Dole, who always referred to himself in the third person.
It is far from certain that he was referring to himself.Tell that to John, who always referred to himself as saying "The disciple Christ loved."
LOL! Read much?You won't see a lot of first person singular in classic literature either. You're presuming that the bible was written in contemporary english.
It was a question, not an argument. So far you haven't really answered it.That's a very lame argument compared to what KW Crazy has presented.
Exodus 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
Exodus 24:12 The Lord said to Moses, “Come up to me on the mountain and stay here, and I will give you the tablets of stone with the law and commandments I have written for their instruction.”
Exodus 31: 17-18 It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’ ”
When the Lord finished speaking to Moses on Mount Sinai, he gave him the two tablets of the covenant law, the tablets of stone inscribed by the finger of God.
So God personally wrote the Ten Commandments on stone tablets and in doing so twice referenced the six day creation. Jesus referenced and affirmed that these commandments were in fact from God. So there is no ambiguity, the Scriptures teach that the creation of man happened exactly as depicted in Genesis.
And he used the third person to do it--just as in Ex 20:11 and 31:17
So it was apparently the author of Exodus writing about God (third person) in between quoting His words (first person).So what?????????????????
So it was apparently the author of Exodus writing about God (third person) in between quoting His words (first person).
Thus my question: if not, why not?
Post 182 you said
In post 172 you said:"As I have said before...sin entered the world. Exactly how that happened is irrelevant." You didn't explain why or how...That's what I asked.
It's not an argument, it's a question. A plain reading of the text suggests that because of the choice of voicing, Ex 20:11 is a parenthetical comment by the author, rather than part of the text engraved in stone tablets by God. You people claim that Ex 20:11 is part of the engraved text, so you have to explain the voicing. Voicing is important, especially in a language like Hebrew which has no quotation marks. What is your explanation for the voicing change in that passage?I fail to see how that advances your argument. In fact I see it has no bearing on the argument...other than it confirms a literal 24 hour six day creation period with a day of rest.
No, I said no such thing, although I agree with what Speedwell said in that post.
That one I did write and, again, it is irrelevant. Sin entered the world. Why or how doesn't matter.
Sooooooooooooo, the bible tells us how sin entered...so it must matter. yes?
It's not an argument, it's a question. A plain reading of the text suggests that because of the choice of voicing, Ex 20:11 is a parenthetical comment by the author, rather than part of the text engraved in stone tablets by God. You people claim that Ex 20:11 is part of the engraved text, so you have to explain the voicing. Voicing is important, especially in a language like Hebrew which has no quotation marks. What is your explanation for the voicing change in that passage?
Come on, guys, this is a soft-ball layman's question; you should have a ready answer. You want to teach this stuff in the public schools? You are going to have to be better prepared.
You are. That passage does not address the question of what exactly was on those tablets, particularly Ex 20:11.22These are the commandments the Lord proclaimed in a loud voice to your whole assembly there on the mountain from out of the fire, the cloud and the deep darkness; and he added nothing more. Then he wrote them on two stone tablets and gave them to me.
I must be a bad layman soft ball player.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?