Paul's Man of Sin Doesn't Enter the Jewish Temple

[Dale]

Christ also said that Satan was the ruler of the world (John_14:30) so what Satan claimed there is true. Satan also performed a type miracle or expression of power as well:

Luk 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

But as we know, Christ was not impressed by any of this and rebuked satan.

Ewq,

The statement that Satan is the "prince of this world" or the "ruler of this world" means that Satan is the ruler of the worldly. The worldly are under the Devil's influence. It doesn't imply that Satan has any control over natural events or anything else.

 

[ewq1938]

Ewq,

The statement that Satan is the "prince of this world" or the "ruler of this world" means that Satan is the ruler of the worldly. The worldly are under the Devil's influence. It doesn't imply that Satan has any control over natural events or anything else.

He did in Job. Either way the Earthly kingdoms are ultimately controlled by him and he could actually offer them to Christ because it was true.

 

[Revealing Times]

RT: "The Man of Sin, Little Horn, Anti-Christ are all the same, a MAN/Beast. Rev, 12 is the Dragon Beast Satan as denoted by the CROWNS on the 7 Heads, in Luke 4 we see Satan tells Jesus that ALL these Kingdoms are his to do as he wills with, so the CROWNS on the 7 Heads denote Satan as that Beast. "

I don't know how you claim to know that the Little Horn in Daniel, a political and military leader, is the same person as Paul's Man of Sin, a religious leader. You say that "Satan tells Jesus that ALL these Kingdoms are his" during the Temptation of Christ. Maybe Satan exaggerates what he can deliver.

The Man of Sin is indeed a Geo-political leader of Government like all the other Beasts were !! The False Prophet Religious leader does not arise from the sea, he arises from the earth/land [Israel]. Paul states it clearly, Satan is the god of this world. Jesus takes it back in Rev. 11, it says so. Look at the world, whose Image is it in ? .........Think about it, we are a Light unto the worlds Darkness. there is 20 million babies aborted in China alone each year. Remember the Canaanites offering their children to the god Moloch ? It is far worse today, God's Wrath will be here very soon.

RT: "The Rev. 17 Beast is Apollyon, the King of the Bottomless Pit who WAS....IS NOT....YET IS. He has NO CROWNS."

You seem to be contradicting yourself. Revelation Chapter 9 tells us that Apollyon is the King of Locusts. Most likely Apollyon is another name for Satan and calling him the King of Locusts is simply portraying the horror people will feel as their food supply is consumed by hordes of insects. Since Apollyon is King of Locusts, he must have a crown in that capacity so it makes no sense to identify him as having no crowns. In addition, you just called him "the King of the Bottomless Pit," awarding another crown to Apollyon. You are saying that Apollyon does and doesn't, have a crown. A title like King of the Bottomless Pit plainly shows us that Apollyon is almost certainly another name for Satan.

Satan is cast out of Heaven, he is not in the Bottomless Pit. Apollyon was the prince of Persia that withstood Michael for 21 days in Dan. 10. You see, too many people confuse the Beast Figure of Seven Heads {Mediterranean Sea Region POWER} with the ENTITY being denoted. In Rev. 12 the Dragon has 7 CROWNS because he is over all 7 Heads of which the Anti-Christ is the LAST HEAD. So we know Rev. 12 is about Satan. In Rev. 13 we see the CROWNS on the 10 Kings, thus we know it denotes the Last Beast/Anti-Christ/Man of Sin/Little Horn as being over the TEN KINGS !! But as being Subject to Satan who gives him his Power !!

Rev. 17 is tougher to decipher, but lets start out with the fact that it has NO CROWNS at all. Thereby its not denoting the Red Dragon OR the Man Beast/Anti-Christ, so who is it denoting ? Well, the chapter explains it unto us, he arises from the Bottomless Pit. We can track him !!

Rev. 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Rev. 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Rev. 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Two-witnesses Killed !! Below:

Rev. 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

We can track Apollyon via the Holy Word of God !! Satan, the Red Dragon is in Heaven, and thus cast out of Heaven, Rev. 12 tells us that, the Scarlet Colored Beast is released from the Bottomless Pit, Rev. 9, 17 and 11 demonstrates this clearly. Just like the Anti-Christ is a BEAST and Satan is a BEAST so is Apollyon a BEAST. The word Beast is only just as a fill in for an Animalistic type Oppressor. Satan gave all of the Beasts their Power, hes over Apollyon and all Demons. Remember the Dan. 10 chapter where the prince of Persia {Apollyon} RESISTED Micheal for 21 days ? This shows how BEAST POWER WORKS !! Satan is over all the World, God has to allow him to do things against Israel, BUT when they disobey God uses these same nations to take Israel into bondage. So in Dan. 10, Apollyon [and Satan his Master] wanted Persia to stay in power, and Micheal, via God/Jesus wanted Alexander the Great to come to power. So even though these Beasts are given this POWER, they must obey God's will, of course at times. Apollyon was a Demon Spirit placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region.

Ephesians 6:12, KJV: "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

All Regions have a Demon over them, cities like New York have a Demon over them, states like Alabama have a Demon over them, etc. etc. Apollyon was placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region by Satan, his job was to DESTROY Israel, thus they call him the Destroyer. He was over Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia.......then resisted the change.......Greece and Rome. After Israel rejected Christ Jesus, God refused to ACKNOWLEDGE Israel as an entity, and thus for nigh 2000 years God saw Israel as Dead Men's Bones, he forsook them and INSERTED the Church Age. Jesus told his disciples that the gates of hell could not overcome his Church. Thus the MORTAL WOUND to the Beast. Apollyon which WAS around for Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome was then placed in the Bottomless Pit where he remains to this day thus he IS NOT, he will be released at the 1st Woe, he will kill the Two-witnesses, he will once again be placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region and ordered by Satan to GO DESTROY Israel !! He thus YET IS.

There can be NO BEAST as long as the Church is on earth. Thus that which WITHHOLDETH is the Church. Once we Depart, the Beast can Arise again. {2 Thess. 2}.

Apollyon has NO CROWN via this Worlds 7 Headed Beast because Satan is over all the Kingdoms of this World. He is not Human so he can't be an EARTHLY King. But he is the King of the Bottomless Pit, now that Makes this verse understandable !! WATCH:

Rev. 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

God gives us such riddles !! That is why no one can understand them until God so desires to reveal them unto us in these last days, Amen. He is of the 7 in that he was over Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome......He is an 8th King in that he is the King of the Bottomless Pit, but has NO CROWNS via the Mediterranean Sea Region, he not Human, and hes not over Satan.......And he will be over the Anti-Christ once hes released.

So he is a King over the Bottomless Pit where he is over the Demons placed there. Hes a Scarlet Colored Beast with NO CROWNS as per the 7 Headed Beast of the Mediterranean Sea Region.

I will finish in another post, this got a bit long. .

 

[Revealing Times]

RT: "THE MAN OF SIN IS HERE..........That was 1986. The bible easily confirms who the Man of Sin is."

I don't see how the Man of Sin was evident in 1986 or the present.

I said the Man of Sin is easily confirmed by the bible. Not that you can confirm my vision. We know who the Man of Sin is via the bible, he is the Little Horn/Anti-Christ of the End Times.

RT: "The False Prophet will also be a High Priest who tries to turn the Jews into WORLDLY TYPES and tries to get them to forsake their God. "

The Second Beast, or False Prophet, is introduced in Revelation 13. Let's look at the passage.

14 Because of the signs it [the Second Beast] was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it [the Second Beast] deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It [the Second Beast] also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads ...
Revelation 13: 14-17 NIV


RT, your interpretation says that the Second Beast/False Prophet is a Jewish High Priest, presumably at a Temple that hasn't been built yet. Yet the text of Revelation doesn't say that the First Beast or the Second Beast are Jews. It doesn't say that they have set up their headquarters in Israel. What it does say is that the Second Beast deceives "the inhabitants of the earth" and forces "all people" to receive the Mark of the Beast. It sounds much more like this is a worldwide occurrence, a worldwide movement, not something that happens in Israel or among Jews.

The Bible is about Israel in General, it just is, after the Church has be taken to heaven, or think of it like this, after the Church Age has been lifted out of the equation, the Beast Kingdoms suddenly all FIT TOGETHER AGAIN !! The Statue without the Church Age FITS TOGETHER !!

Dan. 7 tells us this Little Horn {Man} will arise from the Fourth Beast in the End Times. Dan. 8 tells us this Little Horn {Man} arises from one of the Four Generals Kingdoms in the Latter Times. Thus we can solve this Riddle ONLY by joining them together, this Little Horn can ONLY ARISE from Greece, because out of the Four Generals ONLY Greece is in the E.U. and thus ONLY Greece can produce a MAN {Little Horn} that can arise to be the King of the E.U.

Now lets fast forward to Dan. ch. 11, now we can see why Gabriel gave Daniel such DETAIL via chapter 11. The detail is astounding !! We were given the arch type of the Anti-Christ/Little Horn in Antiochus. He had a name that seemed to infer that he was God {Epiphanes means God Manifest} and he profaned the Temple of God via Sacrificing a pig on the Altar. We have our TYPE in verses 21-33-maybe 34. Then we get THE ANTI-CHRIST in verses 36-45. Daniel was never told about the coming False Prophet, John was, and I have figured out why. The False Prophet TYPE was Jason, who bribed Antiochus to become the High Priest. He tried to Hellenize the Jews, but why wasn't Daniel given this along with the Antiochus TYPE ?

Just like King Herod tried to kill Baby Jesus, can you image what would have happened unto every High Priest if Daniel had of been given the coming False Prophet Prophecy ? The Jews would have killed every other High Priest down through the ages, fearing the coming False Prophet !! So Daniel was not given this detail. John was told about the coming False Prophet, but he was not told about the Arch TYPE in Jason, I figured it out because that is what I do, see Apollyon, I figured that out, this is my calling, I ask God to show me and He does !! I figured it out by mistake, I was researching Antiochus and I saw where he was bribed into naming Jason {real name Yeshua} the High Priest, and thus had Onias III, a Pious High Priest and brother of Jsason killed, I then saw how the Maccabeans Revolted and I had my BIG PICTURE, of course......EUREKA......We don't just have the Arch TYYPE of the Anti-Christ/Little Horn, we have the Arch TYPE of the Dynamic DUO....The Government Beast {Antiochus} and the Religious Beast {Jason} who spoke looked like a Lamb or of God BUT spoke like a Dragon !! To Hellenize meant to try to get the Jews to SERVE the gods of the Greeks !! Its so obvious these two are the Arch TYPES !! That is why we get such DETAIL in Dan. 11. Amen.

The First Beast comes out of the Sea, meaning like all, the other Gov. Beasts hes a Geo-Political Leader. The Religious Beast comes out of the earth/land, meaning hes a Jew. Thus he looks like a Lamb [of God] but speaks like a Dragon [of Satan]. He a Jewish High Priest. I understand why he does what he does also, but just as Jason had his reasons, he will not win in the end. I don't contend the Beast sets up in Israel/Jerusalem, I contend the Religious Beast places an IMAGE of the Beast in the Temple of God, this BEAST might be placed over the Whole World or over the Mediterranean Sea Region in General, or just over the Jews, the bible is about the Jews in general. Many times we see the WHOLE EARTH when it means the earth/land being spoken about, for instance we can see that in Dan. ch. 2 where Daniel is interpreting the Kings Dream.

Dan. 2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

Now do you think the third Kingdom ruled over ALL THE EARTH ? No, of course not, Greece ruled over ALL THE EARTH being spoken about. That's just a figure of speech so to speak. So I wouldn't put too much stock in the ALL THE EARTH/All the world verses, there are many more just like the one I show above where all the earth just means all the land being spoken about.

The 2nd Beast ACTS FIRST in reality, he places the IMAGE of the European Union President in the Temple at the 1290, which comes BEFORE the 1260. The 1335 comes BEFORE both of those, each number is a number of days until THESE WONDERS END {Second Coming of Jesus ends these Wonders}.

The 1335 = Blessing = Two-witnesses turning Israel back unto God BEFORE the Day of the Lord {1260} comes. {Malachi 4:5-6} So 1/3 of the Jews repent, Just like Zechariah 13:8-9 says. That is why they understand to FLEE Judea when they see this Abomination, the Temple is made whole because Israel have accepted Jesus as their Messiah !!

The 1290 is the False Prophet {High Priest} who hates Jesus. like most Religious Jews do today, and this mocks those trying to serve Jesus by placing an IMAGE of the E.U. President in the Temple of God. Hes just going to throw in with this Gov. Beast, hes a SELL OUT like Jason was !!

The 1260 is when the Anti-Christ/Little Horn Conquers Israel/Jerusalem and the MANY NATIONS in the Mediterranean Sea Region to become the LAST BEAST over the Region. We KNOW hes a Man via Scriptures !!

Dan. 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Rev. 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Daniel was given the SAME THING as John, but he was NOT GIVEN the False Prophet understanding WHY ? Because the False Prophet will be a Jewish High Priest, if it was a Gentile he would have been given that understanding, but God couldn't have the Israeli Kings killing every other High Priest until Jesus came !! Its Obvious, Antiochus AND Jason were the Arch TYPES !!

 

[Douggg]

The 2nd Beast ACTS FIRST in reality, he places the IMAGE of the European Union President in the Temple at the 1290, which comes BEFORE the 1260. The 1335 comes BEFORE both of those, each number is a number of days until THESE WONDERS END {Second Coming of Jesus ends these Wonders}.

The 1335 = Blessing = Two-witnesses turning Israel back unto God BEFORE the Day of the Lord {1260} comes. {Malachi 4:5-6} So 1/3 of the Jews repent, Just like Zechariah 13:8-9 says. That is why they understand to FLEE Judea when they see this Abomination, the Temple is made whole because Israel have accepted Jesus as their Messiah !!

RT, you leave out what day(s) on the timeline, the 1335 days fall, and the 1290 days fall, and the 1260 days fall.

The timeline is 7 years long. 2520 days.

The subject matter is too complex to expect people to follow a verbal explanation and mentally put everything together in their head. Especially when that explanation is incomplete.

 

[Revealing Times]

RT, you leave out what day(s) on the timeline, the 1335 days fall, and the 1290 days fall, and the 1260 days fall.

The timeline is 7 years long. 2520 days.

The subject matter is too complex to expect people to follow a verbal explanation and mentally put everything together in their head. Especially when that explanation is incomplete.

Everything is just REVERSED. The 1260 is day 1261 in reality, its 1260 days until the Second Coming, and that means its on day 1261. That means day 1290 happens 1290 days from the Second Coming, on day 1230. That means the 1335 happens 1335 days from the Second Coming, on day 1185.

The 70th week or final 7 Years = 2520 DAYS.

Day 1185 is the day the Two-witnesses show up to turn Israel back unto God {Malachi 4:5-6}, its 1335 days from this day until the Second Coming ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS !!

Day 1230 is the Day the False Prophet places the IMAGE of the European Union President in the Temple of God, it happens 1290 days Second Coming ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS !! {Jews Flee}

Day 1261 is the Day the Beast Conquers Jerusalem/Israel/Many Nations in the Mediterranean Sea Region, it happens 1260 days from the Second Coming, in the Middle of the Week, in 1260 days the Second Coming will END ALL THESE WONDERS !!

The Two-witnesses show up BEFORE the anti-Christ becomes THE BEAST at the 1260 {1261}, thus when they DIE at the 6th Trump BEFORE the Beast dies at the 7th Vial, that ADDS UP....Thus both the Beast and the Two-witnesses can have their offices for 1260 days on earth. Their timelines MUST be staggered.

If you have it figured out make me a Graph, you can put my name on it. As you can see, I know this is of God even if no one else gets it. {a few have gotten it}. God is giving me much, I am about to write a book on this stuff. As soon as I get my new computer. The computer I have now is not a very good one, I can't make any graphs yet. That's why I haven't been around much lately, I have been researching a lot, plus I have prostrate cancer surgery scheduled for Nov. 19, I am going to get that sucker taken out.

 

[ewq1938]

There can be NO BEAST as long as the Church is on earth.

No, that's wrong. The whole purpose of the beast empire and it's leader the AC is to persecute the church, killing many of them and deceiving many of them. Even what I would say are two leaders of the church are killed by the AC proving the church is on the Earth during the GT. Even the 144k sealed are on the Earth and they are faithful Christians of Jewish descent. The church is persecuted during the GT. Christ told us this in the OD and the same timeframe in Rev:

The olivet discourse (Matthew):

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

False Christ's are warned about.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

These are Christians being delivered up not Jews. Hated because of Christ's name! This proves that Christ is talking about Christians when he says "you".

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.


The gospel of the kingdom is about Christ and is delivered by Christians.


Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

"Ye" are Christians.

So, the AoD is going to affect "all the world" and Christians are the targets! Christians are persecuted and murdered for the testimony of Christ and because they carry his name.

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

"Ye" is still the same people, Christians. That's the church on Earth.


Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

The elect are Christians.

Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

Again, a warning about false Christs given to "you" which are Christians.

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Another reference to false Christ's and the Christian elect.


Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

You=Christians and yet again another false Christ reference. There is a false Christ coming to deceive Christians and those not deceived will be delivered up, persecuted and killed.

Nothing about Jews at all because Jews are not the target of the Antichrist and tribulation.


Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


And here is the second coming.


The olivet discourse (Mark):

Mar 13:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
Mar 13:4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
Mar 13:5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:

He is talking to his Christian disciples.

Mar 13:6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

This is the false Christ that Christians are warned about.

Mar 13:7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.
Mar 13:8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
Mar 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

"for my sake" means the reason they are delivered to councils and beaten in Jewish synagogues is because they are Christians! This is not about Jewish persecution or punishment at all.

Mar 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

That's the Christian gospel of Christ not a Jewish gospel.


Mar 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

"you" here is still the same people he is talking about, Christians.

Mar 13:12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
Mar 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Here iit is again. Those that carry the name of Christ, Christians, will be the ones persecuted.


Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
Mar 13:15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
Mar 13:16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
Mar 13:17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mar 13:18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
Mar 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
Mar 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

The elect here are the same people in the entire OD, Christians!


Mar 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:

Again Christians are being warned about the false Christ.


Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

Same Christian elect here as well.


Mar 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
Mar 13:25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
Mar 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Mar 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

And here is the second coming of the Christian Messiah and the rapturing/gathering.


Mar 13:28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
Mar 13:29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
Mar 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
Mar 13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Mar 13:33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
Mar 13:34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
Mar 13:35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
Mar 13:36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
Mar 13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.


The OD is fully and completely about Christian persecution and Christians are the church.

Let's see what Revelation says about persecution in the great tribulation:


Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


The ones persecuted are Christians!


Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

The ones persecuted are Christians!


Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Christians are Satan's target!


Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

The saints are Christians not Jews. The tribulation is war on Christianity.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The witness of Jesus means they are Christians. The ones persecuted are Christians!

The church isn't gone and none of these are new Christians just converted in the GT. They all were Christians and the church before, during and after the GT.

The only time scripture describes any Christian being removed up to the clouds is after the GT has ended when Christ comes for them and they are only in the clouds to be gathered together from wherever they were to one place together, and that's to join Christ as he returns as his army along with angels and the resurrected dead.

 

[Dale]

The Man of Sin is indeed a Geo-political leader of Government like all the other Beasts were !! The False Prophet Religious leader does not arise from the sea, he arises from the earth/land [Israel]. Paul states it clearly, Satan is the god of this world. Jesus takes it back in Rev. 11, it says so. Look at the world, whose Image is it in ? .........Think about it, we are a Light unto the worlds Darkness. there is 20 million babies aborted in China alone each year. Remember the Canaanites offering their children to the god Moloch ? It is far worse today, God's Wrath will be here very soon.



Satan is cast out of Heaven, he is not in the Bottomless Pit. Apollyon was the prince of Persia that withstood Michael for 21 days in Dan. 10. You see, too many people confuse the Beast Figure of Seven Heads {Mediterranean Sea Region POWER} with the ENTITY being denoted. In Rev. 12 the Dragon has 7 CROWNS because he is over all 7 Heads of which the Anti-Christ is the LAST HEAD. So we know Rev. 12 is about Satan. In Rev. 13 we see the CROWNS on the 10 Kings, thus we know it denotes the Last Beast/Anti-Christ/Man of Sin/Little Horn as being over the TEN KINGS !! But as being Subject to Satan who gives him his Power !!

Rev. 17 is tougher to decipher, but lets start out with the fact that it has NO CROWNS at all. Thereby its not denoting the Red Dragon OR the Man Beast/Anti-Christ, so who is it denoting ? Well, the chapter explains it unto us, he arises from the Bottomless Pit. We can track him !!

Rev. 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Rev. 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Rev. 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Two-witnesses Killed !! Below:

Rev. 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

We can track Apollyon via the Holy Word of God !! Satan, the Red Dragon is in Heaven, and thus cast out of Heaven, Rev. 12 tells us that, the Scarlet Colored Beast is released from the Bottomless Pit, Rev. 9, 17 and 11 demonstrates this clearly. Just like the Anti-Christ is a BEAST and Satan is a BEAST so is Apollyon a BEAST. The word Beast is only just as a fill in for an Animalistic type Oppressor. Satan gave all of the Beasts their Power, hes over Apollyon and all Demons. Remember the Dan. 10 chapter where the prince of Persia {Apollyon} RESISTED Micheal for 21 days ? This shows how BEAST POWER WORKS !! Satan is over all the World, God has to allow him to do things against Israel, BUT when they disobey God uses these same nations to take Israel into bondage. So in Dan. 10, Apollyon [and Satan his Master] wanted Persia to stay in power, and Micheal, via God/Jesus wanted Alexander the Great to come to power. So even though these Beasts are given this POWER, they must obey God's will, of course at times. Apollyon was a Demon Spirit placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region.

Ephesians 6:12, KJV: "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

All Regions have a Demon over them, cities like New York have a Demon over them, states like Alabama have a Demon over them, etc. etc. Apollyon was placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region by Satan, his job was to DESTROY Israel, thus they call him the Destroyer. He was over Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia.......then resisted the change.......Greece and Rome. After Israel rejected Christ Jesus, God refused to ACKNOWLEDGE Israel as an entity, and thus for nigh 2000 years God saw Israel as Dead Men's Bones, he forsook them and INSERTED the Church Age. Jesus told his disciples that the gates of hell could not overcome his Church. Thus the MORTAL WOUND to the Beast. Apollyon which WAS around for Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome was then placed in the Bottomless Pit where he remains to this day thus he IS NOT, he will be released at the 1st Woe, he will kill the Two-witnesses, he will once again be placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region and ordered by Satan to GO DESTROY Israel !! He thus YET IS.

There can be NO BEAST as long as the Church is on earth. Thus that which WITHHOLDETH is the Church. Once we Depart, the Beast can Arise again. {2 Thess. 2}.

Apollyon has NO CROWN via this Worlds 7 Headed Beast because Satan is over all the Kingdoms of this World. He is not Human so he can't be an EARTHLY King. But he is the King of the Bottomless Pit, now that Makes this verse understandable !! WATCH:

Rev. 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

God gives us such riddles !! That is why no one can understand them until God so desires to reveal them unto us in these last days, Amen. He is of the 7 in that he was over Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome......He is an 8th King in that he is the King of the Bottomless Pit, but has NO CROWNS via the Mediterranean Sea Region, he not Human, and hes not over Satan.......And he will be over the Anti-Christ once hes released.

So he is a King over the Bottomless Pit where he is over the Demons placed there. Hes a Scarlet Colored Beast with NO CROWNS as per the 7 Headed Beast of the Mediterranean Sea Region.

I will finish in another post, this got a bit long. .

RT: "Apollyon was the prince of Persia that withstood Michael for 21 days in Dan. 10."

Abaddon/Apollyon is not mentioned in the book of Daniel.


RT: "Satan is cast out of Heaven, he is not in the Bottomless Pit."

Are you trying to tell me that Satan is still in heaven and will only be cast out at a later time? While Apollyon was cast out thousands of years ago?

You seem to believe that there are multiple rebellions of angels followed by multiple falls of rebel angels. Are we supposed to believe that every year a few more angels rebel and are cast out?

But surely Satan rebelled a long time ago.

I don't get it.



RT: "The False Prophet Religious leader does not arise from the sea, he arises from the earth/land [Israel]."


You are drawing a connection that isn't justified. "Earth" doesn't stand for Israel and "land" doesn't stand for Israel. I have checked John Gill's commentary and he thinks the False Prophet is a pagan, speaking for the barbarous religions found in the Roman Empire. Gill would know if there was any reason to believe "earth" or "land" had anything to do with Israel or Palestine.

There is no reason to connect the False Prophet with Judaism or Israel.

 

[ewq1938]

RT: "The False Prophet Religious leader does not arise from the sea, he arises from the earth/land [Israel]."


You are drawing a connection that isn't justified. "Earth" doesn't stand for Israel and "land" doesn't stand for Israel. I have checked John Gill's commentary and he thinks the False Prophet is a pagan, speaking for the barbarous religions found in the Roman Empire. Gill would know if there was any reason to believe "earth" or "land" had anything to do with Israel or Palestine.

There is no reason to connect the False Prophet with Judaism or Israel.

Doesn't he rule from there? The two prophets are killed in the city by him so it makes sense that the beast that rises from the Earth would do so in Israel and likely Jerusalem....but the Mt of Olives or Zion are also possible places.

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

If not in Israel, where does he rise from?

 

[Revealing Times]

RT: "Apollyon was the prince of Persia that withstood Michael for 21 days in Dan. 10."

Abaddon/Apollyon is not mentioned in the book of Daniel.

Neither was Jesus, but he is the "Man in Linen".

RT: "Satan is cast out of Heaven, he is not in the Bottomless Pit."

Are you trying to tell me that Satan is still in heaven and will only be cast out at a later time? While Apollyon was cast out thousands of years ago?

Yes, see Rev. 12 and Daniel 12. Micheal STANDS UP and he casts Satan down to earth where it Says that Satan has been cast to earth and is angry, because his time is short. That all happens about 1260 days from the Second Coming.

God decided to lock Apollyon up in the Pit. He is all powerful, I assume He had His reasons.

You seem to believe that there are multiple rebellions of angels followed by multiple falls of rebel angels. Are we supposed to believe that every year a few more angels rebel and are cast out?

But surely Satan rebelled a long time ago.

I don't get it.

Nope, all the Angels followed Satan at the same time.

You are drawing a connection that isn't justified. "Earth" doesn't stand for Israel and "land" doesn't stand for Israel. I have checked John Gill's commentary and he thinks the False Prophet is a pagan, speaking for the barbarous religions found in the Roman Empire. Gill would know if there was any reason to believe "earth" or "land" had anything to do with Israel or Palestine.

There is no reason to connect the False Prophet with Judaism or Israel.

Of course it does mean that, I have studied these things in depth for over 30 years brother. I am telling you who he is, checking old material when God is revealing at this time is kinda not going to work. I mean I check references also, don't get me wrong, but we must remember, most are not able to see the things we have seen today in these very, very, late End Times.

 

[Douggg]

Everything is just REVERSED. The 1260 is day 1261 in reality, its 1260 days until the Second Coming, and that means its on day 1261. That means day 1290 happens 1290 days from the Second Coming, on day 1230. That means the 1335 happens 1335 days from the Second Coming, on day 1185.

RT, I highlighted part of your text. You are using the wrong word (you wrote "from", but you should have wrote "before"), and not enough words.

I think this is how you should have wrote it.

That means the 1335 happens 1335 days before the Second Coming, on day 1185 of the 7 years.

If you have it figured out make me a Graph, you can put my name on it. As you can see, I know this is of God even if no one else gets it. {a few have gotten it}. God is giving me much, I am about to write a book on this stuff. As soon as I get my new computer. The computer I have now is not a very good one, I can't make any graphs yet. That's why I haven't been around much lately, I have been researching a lot, plus I have prostrate cancer surgery scheduled for Nov. 19, I am going to get that sucker taken out.

First of all best wishes on the surgery.

Regarding a chart, I think I am going to have to stick to making charts for myself and let you do yours. If your view is of God, I think He will equip you with what it takes. So really I think He is the One you need to talk to about a book, chart, whatever.

 

[Dale]

Neither was Jesus, but he is the "Man in Linen".
Yes, see Rev. 12 and Daniel 12. Micheal STANDS UP and he casts Satan down to earth where it Says that Satan has been cast to earth and is angry, because his time is short. That all happens about 1260 days from the Second Coming.

God decided to lock Apollyon up in the Pit. He is all powerful, I assume He had His reasons.

Nope, all the Angels followed Satan at the same time.

Of course it does mean that, I have studied these things in depth for over 30 years brother. I am telling you who he is, checking old material when God is revealing at this time is kinda not going to work. I mean I check references also, don't get me wrong, but we must remember, most are not able to see the things we have seen today in these very, very, late End Times.

Dale: " Abaddon/Apollyon is not mentioned in the book of Daniel."

RevealingTimes: "Neither was Jesus, but he is the "Man in Linen"."

Instead of answering the question, you change the subject. As I said, Abaddon, if there is such a being separate from Satan, is not mentioned in Daniel.

RevealingTimes: "God decided to lock Apollyon up in the Pit. He is all powerful, I assume He had His reasons."

This is a raw, unsupported claim. If your interpretation of Revelation 12: 7-9 leads to logical contradiction, then rethink your interpretation. The part about Apollyon being in the Pit isn't the part that is controversial. The part that doesn't add up is Satan and all his angels still being in heaven.

 

[Dale]

No, that's wrong. The whole purpose of the beast empire and it's leader the AC is to persecute the church, killing many of them and deceiving many of them. Even what I would say are two leaders of the church are killed by the AC proving the church is on the Earth during the GT. Even the 144k sealed are on the Earth and they are faithful Christians of Jewish descent. The church is persecuted during the GT. Christ told us this in the OD and the same timeframe in Rev:

The olivet discourse (Matthew):

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

False Christ's are warned about.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

These are Christians being delivered up not Jews. Hated because of Christ's name! This proves that Christ is talking about Christians when he says "you".

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.


The gospel of the kingdom is about Christ and is delivered by Christians.


Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

"Ye" are Christians.

So, the AoD is going to affect "all the world" and Christians are the targets! Christians are persecuted and murdered for the testimony of Christ and because they carry his name.

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

"Ye" is still the same people, Christians. That's the church on Earth.


Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

The elect are Christians.

Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

Again, a warning about false Christs given to "you" which are Christians.

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Another reference to false Christ's and the Christian elect.


Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

You=Christians and yet again another false Christ reference. There is a false Christ coming to deceive Christians and those not deceived will be delivered up, persecuted and killed.

Nothing about Jews at all because Jews are not the target of the Antichrist and tribulation.


Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


And here is the second coming.


The olivet discourse (Mark):

Mar 13:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
Mar 13:4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
Mar 13:5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:

He is talking to his Christian disciples.

Mar 13:6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

This is the false Christ that Christians are warned about.

Mar 13:7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.
Mar 13:8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
Mar 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

"for my sake" means the reason they are delivered to councils and beaten in Jewish synagogues is because they are Christians! This is not about Jewish persecution or punishment at all.

Mar 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

That's the Christian gospel of Christ not a Jewish gospel.


Mar 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

"you" here is still the same people he is talking about, Christians.

Mar 13:12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
Mar 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Here iit is again. Those that carry the name of Christ, Christians, will be the ones persecuted.


Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
Mar 13:15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
Mar 13:16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
Mar 13:17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mar 13:18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
Mar 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
Mar 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

The elect here are the same people in the entire OD, Christians!


Mar 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:

Again Christians are being warned about the false Christ.


Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

Same Christian elect here as well.


Mar 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
Mar 13:25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
Mar 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Mar 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

And here is the second coming of the Christian Messiah and the rapturing/gathering.


Mar 13:28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
Mar 13:29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
Mar 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
Mar 13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Mar 13:33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
Mar 13:34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
Mar 13:35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
Mar 13:36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
Mar 13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.


The OD is fully and completely about Christian persecution and Christians are the church.

Let's see what Revelation says about persecution in the great tribulation:


Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


The ones persecuted are Christians!


Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

The ones persecuted are Christians!


Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Christians are Satan's target!


Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

The saints are Christians not Jews. The tribulation is war on Christianity.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The witness of Jesus means they are Christians. The ones persecuted are Christians!

The church isn't gone and none of these are new Christians just converted in the GT. They all were Christians and the church before, during and after the GT.

The only time scripture describes any Christian being removed up to the clouds is after the GT has ended when Christ comes for them and they are only in the clouds to be gathered together from wherever they were to one place together, and that's to join Christ as he returns as his army along with angels and the resurrected dead.

Neither was Jesus, but he is the "Man in Linen".


Yes, see Rev. 12 and Daniel 12. Micheal STANDS UP and he casts Satan down to earth where it Says that Satan has been cast to earth and is angry, because his time is short. That all happens about 1260 days from the Second Coming.

God decided to lock Apollyon up in the Pit. He is all powerful, I assume He had His reasons.


Nope, all the Angels followed Satan at the same time.



Of course it does mean that, I have studied these things in depth for over 30 years brother. I am telling you who he is, checking old material when God is revealing at this time is kinda not going to work. I mean I check references also, don't get me wrong, but we must remember, most are not able to see the things we have seen today in these very, very, late End Times.

RT, I highlighted part of your text. You are using the wrong word (you wrote "from", but you should have wrote "before"), and not enough words.

I think this is how you should have wrote it.

That means the 1335 happens 1335 days before the Second Coming, on day 1185 of the 7 years.


First of all best wishes on the surgery.

Regarding a chart, I think I am going to have to stick to making charts for myself and let you do yours. If your view is of God, I think He will equip you with what it takes. So really I think He is the One you need to talk to about a book, chart, whatever.

This is an excellent post on the persecution of Christians in the End Times, EWQ. I hope that Revealing Times and Dougg study it carefully.

 

[Dale]

Doesn't he rule from there? The two prophets are killed in the city by him so it makes sense that the beast that rises from the Earth would do so in Israel and likely Jerusalem....but the Mt of Olives or Zion are also possible places.

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

If not in Israel, where does he rise from?

I'm not sure where the Antichrist and the False Prophet will have their headquarters. It could be in Europe but that is not very specific.

Put it this way. We know that at the end, Satan will gather armies from almost every country in the world to attack Israel with the goal of destroying Israel and the Jewish people. That's what the battle of Armageddon is about. The Antichrist isn't going to gather armies from all over the world to destroy his own headquarters. That wouldn't make sense, would it? So the home base of the AC & FP would have to be somewhere else.

 

[Douggg]

This is an excellent post on the persecution of Christians in the End Times, EWQ. I hope that Revealing Times and Dougg study it carefully.

The Jews, Israel, during the reign of the beast will have become Christians.

The gathering of the elect in Matthew 24:31, at Jesus's Second Coming, is the gathering of all the Jews back to the land of Israel. It corresponds to Ezekiel 39:28.

Ezekiel 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

Ezekiel 39:21-29, is God Himself as Jesus speaking having returned to earth.

 

[Douggg]

I'm not sure where the Antichrist and the False Prophet will have their headquarters. It could be in Europe but that is not very specific.

Put it this way. We know that at the end, Satan will gather armies from almost every country in the world to attack Israel with the goal of destroying Israel and the Jewish people. That's what the battle of Armageddon is about. The Antichrist isn't going to gather armies from all over the world to destroy his own headquarters. That wouldn't make sense, would it? So the home base of the AC & FP would have to be somewhere else.

Dale, you need to analyze it in terms of where on the timeline. And for correctness reasons, I respectfully urge you to stop calling the person the Antichrist at the time on the timeline when he is the beast. It is beast and false prophet. Not Antichrist and false prophet.


On the timeline.

1. initially, before the seven years begin, as the little horn, his headquarters will be in Europe.

2. following Gog/Magog, when he becomes the Antichrist*, temporary King of Israel, his headquarters will be in Jerusalem (but not in the temple).

3. then after revealing himself to be the man of sin, ending his temporary King of Israel misgiving by the Jews as the Antichrist, he becomes the beast. As the beast, his headquarters will be in Jerusalem, the temple, but the strength of his kingdom will be in Europe.


* Being the Antichrist just means being the King of Israel, instead of and against the rightful King of Israel - Jesus.

 

[Revealing Times]

Dale: " Abaddon/Apollyon is not mentioned in the book of Daniel."

RevealingTimes: "Neither was Jesus, but he is the "Man in Linen"."

Instead of answering the question, you change the subject. As I said, Abaddon, if there is such a being separate from Satan, is not mentioned in Daniel.

And my reply shows that doesn't matter. If one can figure out who the Scarlet Colored Beast is in Rev. 17 he can then figure out who the prince of Persia was in Dan. ch. 10. The bible was meant to clue people in via understanding the whole bible. Here a little, there a little.

RevealingTimes: "God decided to lock Apollyon up in the Pit. He is all powerful, I assume He had His reasons."

This is a raw, unsupported claim. If your interpretation of Revelation 12: 7-9 leads to logical contradiction, then rethink your interpretation. The part about Apollyon being in the Pit isn't the part that is controversial. The part that doesn't add up is Satan and all his angels still being in heaven.

Its a fact, Satan can't be cast out of Heaven if hes not there. look at the book of Job, it says they met in Heaven. Now there are three Heavens remember, our Atmosphere, the heavens of this Universe, and Gods Heaven. We are told Satan has access to make petitions in heaven against us daily, and that Micheal casts Satan out of Heaven.

 

[Dale]

Dale, you need to analyze it in terms of where on the timeline. And for correctness reasons, I respectfully urge you to stop calling the person the Antichrist at the time on the timeline when he is the beast. It is beast and false prophet. Not Antichrist and false prophet.


On the timeline.

1. initially, before the seven years begin, as the little horn, his headquarters will be in Europe.

2. following Gog/Magog, when he becomes the Antichrist*, temporary King of Israel, his headquarters will be in Jerusalem (but not in the temple).

3. then after revealing himself to be the man of sin, ending his temporary King of Israel misgiving by the Jews as the Antichrist, he becomes the beast. As the beast, his headquarters will be in Jerusalem, the temple, but the strength of his kingdom will be in Europe.


* Being the Antichrist just means being the King of Israel, instead of and against the rightful King of Israel - Jesus.

I don't subscribe to your timeline.

 

[Dale]

The Man of Sin is indeed a Geo-political leader of Government like all the other Beasts were !! The False Prophet Religious leader does not arise from the sea, he arises from the earth/land [Israel]. Paul states it clearly, Satan is the god of this world. Jesus takes it back in Rev. 11, it says so. Look at the world, whose Image is it in ? .........Think about it, we are a Light unto the worlds Darkness. there is 20 million babies aborted in China alone each year. Remember the Canaanites offering their children to the god Moloch ? It is far worse today, God's Wrath will be here very soon.



Satan is cast out of Heaven, he is not in the Bottomless Pit. Apollyon was the prince of Persia that withstood Michael for 21 days in Dan. 10. You see, too many people confuse the Beast Figure of Seven Heads {Mediterranean Sea Region POWER} with the ENTITY being denoted. In Rev. 12 the Dragon has 7 CROWNS because he is over all 7 Heads of which the Anti-Christ is the LAST HEAD. So we know Rev. 12 is about Satan. In Rev. 13 we see the CROWNS on the 10 Kings, thus we know it denotes the Last Beast/Anti-Christ/Man of Sin/Little Horn as being over the TEN KINGS !! But as being Subject to Satan who gives him his Power !!

Rev. 17 is tougher to decipher, but lets start out with the fact that it has NO CROWNS at all. Thereby its not denoting the Red Dragon OR the Man Beast/Anti-Christ, so who is it denoting ? Well, the chapter explains it unto us, he arises from the Bottomless Pit. We can track him !!

Rev. 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Rev. 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Rev. 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Two-witnesses Killed !! Below:

Rev. 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

We can track Apollyon via the Holy Word of God !! Satan, the Red Dragon is in Heaven, and thus cast out of Heaven, Rev. 12 tells us that, the Scarlet Colored Beast is released from the Bottomless Pit, Rev. 9, 17 and 11 demonstrates this clearly. Just like the Anti-Christ is a BEAST and Satan is a BEAST so is Apollyon a BEAST. The word Beast is only just as a fill in for an Animalistic type Oppressor. Satan gave all of the Beasts their Power, hes over Apollyon and all Demons. Remember the Dan. 10 chapter where the prince of Persia {Apollyon} RESISTED Micheal for 21 days ? This shows how BEAST POWER WORKS !! Satan is over all the World, God has to allow him to do things against Israel, BUT when they disobey God uses these same nations to take Israel into bondage. So in Dan. 10, Apollyon [and Satan his Master] wanted Persia to stay in power, and Micheal, via God/Jesus wanted Alexander the Great to come to power. So even though these Beasts are given this POWER, they must obey God's will, of course at times. Apollyon was a Demon Spirit placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region.

Ephesians 6:12, KJV: "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

All Regions have a Demon over them, cities like New York have a Demon over them, states like Alabama have a Demon over them, etc. etc. Apollyon was placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region by Satan, his job was to DESTROY Israel, thus they call him the Destroyer. He was over Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia.......then resisted the change.......Greece and Rome. After Israel rejected Christ Jesus, God refused to ACKNOWLEDGE Israel as an entity, and thus for nigh 2000 years God saw Israel as Dead Men's Bones, he forsook them and INSERTED the Church Age. Jesus told his disciples that the gates of hell could not overcome his Church. Thus the MORTAL WOUND to the Beast. Apollyon which WAS around for Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome was then placed in the Bottomless Pit where he remains to this day thus he IS NOT, he will be released at the 1st Woe, he will kill the Two-witnesses, he will once again be placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region and ordered by Satan to GO DESTROY Israel !! He thus YET IS.

There can be NO BEAST as long as the Church is on earth. Thus that which WITHHOLDETH is the Church. Once we Depart, the Beast can Arise again. {2 Thess. 2}.

Apollyon has NO CROWN via this Worlds 7 Headed Beast because Satan is over all the Kingdoms of this World. He is not Human so he can't be an EARTHLY King. But he is the King of the Bottomless Pit, now that Makes this verse understandable !! WATCH:

Rev. 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

God gives us such riddles !! That is why no one can understand them until God so desires to reveal them unto us in these last days, Amen. He is of the 7 in that he was over Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome......He is an 8th King in that he is the King of the Bottomless Pit, but has NO CROWNS via the Mediterranean Sea Region, he not Human, and hes not over Satan.......And he will be over the Anti-Christ once hes released.

So he is a King over the Bottomless Pit where he is over the Demons placed there. Hes a Scarlet Colored Beast with NO CROWNS as per the 7 Headed Beast of the Mediterranean Sea Region.

I will finish in another post, this got a bit long. .

RT, let me expand on my reply to what you said in post #63.

RT: "The Man of Sin is indeed a Geo-political leader of Government like all the other Beasts were !!"

We can't simply assume that the Little Horn in Daniel is the same person as the Man of Sin or Man of Lawlessness in 2 Thessalonians.

Here are some of the things we find in the second half of Daniel.

One: Real animals, such as a ram and a goat.
Two: Imaginary animals, including multi-headed animals.
Three: Horns
Four: Crowns
Five: Marching Armies, Conquest
Six: The Jewish Temple

Compare this to Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:

Real Animals: NONE
Imaginary Animals: NONE
Horns: NONE
Crowns: NONE
Marching Armies, Conquest NONE
The Jewish Temple Very unlikely.


Here are six things that appear in the prophecy in Daniel. I don't believe that any of the six appear in 2 Thessalonians 2. Only the Jewish Temple is possible, and that's a stretch.


By the way, Daniel never says that the "contemptible person" will enter the Jewish Temple, only that he will give the order to desecrate it. Paul says that Man of Sin will enter the Temple of God.

"Forces from him shall appear and profane the temple and fortress, and shall take away the continual burnt offering. And they shall set up the abomination that makes desolate."
Daniel 11:31 RSV

Something we do find in 2 Thessalonians 2 is the "one who holds back," the Restrainer. No Restrainer is mentioned in Daniel.

You need to take another look at these passages. There is no sign that they are talking about the same person or the same series of events.

 

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RT, let me expand on my reply to what you said in post #63.

RT: "The Man of Sin is indeed a Geo-political leader of Government like all the other Beasts were !!"

We can't simply assume that the Little Horn in Daniel is the same person as the Man of Sin or Man of Lawlessness in 2 Thessalonians.

Here are some of the things we find in the second half of Daniel.

One: Real animals, such as a ram and a goat.
Two: Imaginary animals, including multi-headed animals.
Three: Horns
Four: Crowns
Five: Marching Armies, Conquest
Six: The Jewish Temple

Compare this to Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:

Real Animals: NONE
Imaginary Animals: NONE
Horns: NONE
Crowns: NONE
Marching Armies, Conquest NONE
The Jewish Temple Very unlikely.

WHAT ? Paul's job was to take the Gospel unto the Gentiles, not to deliver Prophetic utterances. John on the other hand was given the End Time version 500 years after Daniel was given Prophetic understandings that went from his time, all the way unto the End Times. John was only given the End Times, thus he was not to describe the Beasts on the way to the End Times like Daniel did, but instead describe the END TIME BEAST as a conglomerate with 7 Heads and 10 Horns....NOTICE, its the exact same Number as Daniel, save the fact that Egypt and Assyria came before Daniel time and the Little Horn is not counted as a Horn in Revelation, instead its called a Head.

1.) 1ST Head = Egypt 2.) 2nd Head = Assyria 3.) 3rd Head = Babylon 4.) 4th Head = Persia 5.) 5th Head = Greece 6.) 6th Head = Rome 7.) 7th Head = the Little Horn/Beast/A.C. who has 10 Kings who freely give their POWER {Horn = power in the bible} unto him.

Get with with it man. This stuff is well known fats brother.

Here are six things that appear in the prophecy in Daniel. I don't believe that any of the six appear in 2 Thessalonians 2. Only the Jewish Temple is possible, and that's a stretch.


By the way, Daniel never says that the "contemptible person" will enter the Jewish Temple, only that he will give the order to desecrate it. Paul says that Man of Sin will enter the Temple of God.

I agree, the A.C. is not the one that places the Image in the Temple, its the False Prophet or Jewish High Priest. Paul's calling was not Prophecy, so he probably had some inkling of these things since he spent tie with Jesus in a Vision and said it was like being in Heaven. {we know if he was in Heaven it was only his Spirit. If our Spirit leaves our body we die, so I image it was just a LIKE LIKE VISION.}

But the 1290 is committed 30 days BEFORE the A.C. Conquers Jerusalem at the 1260, by the False Prophet. If you want comparatives, then you should compare Daniel with Revelation, not Paul. And by the way, the Man of Sin may very well enter the Temple, and that could be after the F.P. places the AoD so both can be right.........RIGHT ? Don't get to hung on on SINGLE VERSES, that is why some people have major letdowns with Prophecy, you have to allow the MANY VERSES line up as one sensible line of eschatology, you can't allow one verse to take you down wrong roads, for too many people do that.

For instance one guy {and a few others} see the verse in Rev. 5 where it says Jesus was not to be found anywhere in Heaven, nor in the earth nor under the earth and they run with this and say HEY, EUREKA MAN.....Jesus wasn't in Heaven when Rev. 5 happened, thus the Seals were all opened and the White Horses of Rev. 6 was Jesus and the 6th Seal will be God's Wrath and that in reality is a bunch of nonsense. The VERY VERSE they cite to go down this path would have Jesus as a NON ENTITY, because not only is he not found in Heaven, but hes also not found IN THE EARTH nor UNDER THE EARTH. But they ignore those two points, LOL. You see, he wasn't found by John in Heaven because he was a Slain Lamb. Its just prose !! So rabbit holes are easy to go down if we let our guards down brother. Remember, HERE A LITTLE, THERE A LITTLE.

"Forces from him shall appear and profane the temple and fortress, and shall take away the continual burnt offering. And they shall set up the abomination that makes desolate."
Daniel 11:31 RSV

Something we do find in 2 Thessalonians 2 is the "one who holds back," the Restrainer. No Restrainer is mentioned in Daniel.

You need to take another look at these passages. There is no sign that they are talking about the same person or the same series of events.

That's because the RESTRAINER is the Church. Its obvious that are the same man.