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Look at this crap I just found on the internet.

I knew these prosperity people were screwed up, but this is absolutely heresy. I mean demon inspired anti-christ heresy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S0zkZ31JSI

John 3:16 anyone?

"For God so loved the world that he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON that whoseover believes on him shall not perish but have everlasting life."

I am not a "begotten" son of God. I am a son by adoption, and that is a huge difference.

Jesus again called himself the "ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD" in verse 18.

As I just posted in response to the videos, I don't see how a person can possibly be born again and teach the heresy that they are teaching right there in that video.

That is purely anti-christ teaching.

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Notice the definite article here.

There is ONE "Begotten Son of God" Not ten or five or even two.

Jesus is the ONLY begotten Son of God.
 
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Luke 4:33
And in the synagogue there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean devil, and cried out with a loud voice,

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That's right. The DEVIL goes to church too. And his name is:

Paula White
Creflo Dollar
Ken Copeland
Rod Parsley
T.D. Jakes
and all their little co-pastors and assistants.

These felons should all be arrested.

False apostles promoting a false christ: "another Jesus, another spirit, and another gospel".

they need to repent and give their hearts to the real Jesus of the Bible, "Jesus of Nazareth" who is the ONLY begotten Son of God.


Galations 1:8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
 
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My goodness!!!!

Once Jesus was resurrected I don't read about Peter or any of the apostles coming up with junk like this, they went all over the place preaching the gospel and not begging for money while they did it.

These people are just flat out ignoring the scriptures; the most well known scripture of all times, John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His ONLY BEGOTTEN SON!!! This garbage they are spewing is blasphemy!
 
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Look at this crap I just found on the internet.



John 3:16 anyone?

"For God so loved the world that he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON that whoseover believes on him shall not perish but have everlasting life."

I am not a "begotten" son of God. I am a son by adoption, and that is a huge difference.

Jesus again called himself the "ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD" in verse 18.


There is ONE "Begotten Son of God" Not ten or five or even two.

Jesus is the ONLY begotten Son of God.

Lol, maybe I should have read your post! Ugh those people burn me up!
 
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Not to say that he does or does not mean any particular thing when he says this, but I would be interested to hear from his own mouth just what he meant, and what he believes about Who Jesus is.

I definitely agree that Jesus is the only Son by nature, while we are sons and daughters by adoption. So yes, Jesus and I are both sons, but we are two very different varieties of sons.

On somewhat of a side note, I believe that calling Jesus "son" is bringing the mystery of the Trinity into human terms. I believe that the actual reality of the relationship between the Father and the Son is something that we could never fathom, and that God reveals that relationship as of that between a father and a son. A father begets a son, and in some kind of way that is reflected by that analogy, the Father eternally [I'll use the word] causes the Son (notice that I did not use the word "create", for the Son is uncreated; He is eternally God with the Father). Some eternal act from which the Son comes from the Father.

Psa 2:7 I will tell of the decree: The LORD said to me, "You are my Son; today I have begotten you.

When is "today" with respect to eternity? I believe that the answer to that is "yes".

I have a huge problem with any attempt to bring the Son down to any level other than that of being eternally God with the Father and the Spirit; any attempt to make Him out to have been brought into existance at some point in time (or something like unto time).
 
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I didn't watch the whole thing, but I must say that anytime a "Christian" TV show reminds me of an informercial, then there is something wrong. ("It slices, it dices, it chops and purees, the new Christomatic 5000 . . . ." sounds no more absurd to me than this tripe about Jesus spilling His blood so that I can have financial prosperity, etc....). To me this is far more offensive than any questions about whether we are or are not begotten sons of God (although I agree with the others who say that we are not). There is just something that strikes me as downright evil about selling health and wealth in the name of Jesus. If Jesus wanted us to be rich and to live long, why didn't the disciples get the memo? They were all martyred after living lives that were anything but wealthy. Why doesn't the Bible tell us about Peter's split level condo in the suburban Jerusalem or his vacation home on the Sea of Galillee? How do we reconcile this "gospel" with Jesus's words that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven? I don't see how you look at what Jesus said and conclude that He wanted us to have wealth.

On a side note, I read an interesting article on time.com about the role that the prosperity gospel had played in the current financial crisis. It is interesting how many people were duped into believing that these predatory home loans that they received were blessings from God. Some of these people honestly believed that God miraculously blinded the bank to their poor credit or lack of money to give them access to money that they could not afford to pay back. How sad it is that many of these same people are now being thrown out of their homes and forced into bankruptcy, while the "pastors" who encouraged them to believe in such nonsense continue to live extravagant lifestyles. I don't agree with Wade on many things, but we can at least agree that the prosperity gospel is a dangerous and deceptive scam on some of the most vulnerable members of the body of Christ.

This stuff makes me sad and angry.
 
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My take on prosperity is this. There is nothing wrong with it. But when Proseprity takes presedence over Being saved, winning souls for the Kindome of God and living righteous, THEN that's when I have the problem.

For me, when your focus is to be prosperious, it better be prosperious with the way of the Lord. If The Lord bestwos abundant prosperty on you then great.

But I'd rather be saved myself, live righteous and win 1,000,000 souls for the Kingdom of God while making minumum wage instead of having 1,000,000 dollars and save 0 souls, including my own.
 
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... Why doesn't the Bible tell us about Peter's split level condo in the suburban Jerusalem or his vacation home on the Sea of Galillee? How do we reconcile this "gospel" with Jesus's words that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven? I don't see how you look at what Jesus said and conclude that He wanted us to have wealth.


Well, I agree. But the prosperity people simply lie and twist that scripture to their own end.

"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven."

they will simply say, "Here I am I'm rich and I'm a 'christian' believe me, this is how to do it..."


When you give them, "The love of money is the root of all evil."

They will simply lie and say, "But I don't love money, I love 'God'."

Which is clearly a lie as anyone watching their programing would know. They virtually never preach on Jesus and the cross, and when they do, as this video clearly shows, they don't even know what they are talking about.


If you'll notice, in a LARGE percentage of Creflo Dollar's so-called teaching, he almost never even mentions Jesus or the Cross. He talks about 'god' and quotes some out of context scriptures, but virtually never preaches on Jesus. Most of these others are the same way.

then when they do preach on Jesus, they quote the parable of the sower or the parable of the talents and take those out of context to promote their false doctrine, when Jesus had already interpreted the parables.

You don't "re-interpret" a parable that the Bible itself already interprets, particularly when Jesus himself did the interpretation.

That's just pure deception.


None of the parables have anything to do with money, and this includes the parables that use money as the object of the example. Even in these parables, the "money" represents the word of God, or in one case(the parable of the woman with the ten coins) the "money" represents 9 believers and one unbeliever, whom the woman sweeps the house to find.



The point is, the prosperity preachers on TBN and INSP do not even have a sunday school knowledge of the Bible, yet the write all these books and make millions off people who also do not even have a sunday school knowledge of the Bible.

the fact is, most of these preachers and most of the people supporting them are not born again. If they were, the Holy Spirit would convict them and get them out of the mess.

This is why we have something like 60 million professing Christians in this country, and a large portion of them, when surveyed, do not meet the Biblical definition of the salvation/born again experience, including those who claim to be "born again".

Excerpts from Barna group surveys 2007:

More than half of all adults (53%) believe that if a person is generally good, or does enough good things for others during their life, they will earn a place in Heaven. (2007)

On their way to hell in a hand basket. That is called "self righteousness" and the Bible says, "All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags."

Half of born again Christians (46%) agree that Satan is "not a living being but is a symbol of evil." (2007)

I would be interested to see how this people justify these claims, given the many, many verses in the Bible which clearly show Satan is a sentient, angelic being.

37% of born agains believe that if a person is good enough they can earn a place in Heaven. (2007)

A sad and clear contradiction. If a person believes this, they cannot possibly be "born again" because realizing that you cannot earn your way into heaven is part of the requirement for BEING born again. "Whoever comes up by any other way is a thief and a robber...".

26% of born agains agree that "while he lived on earth, Jesus committed sins, like other people," compared to 41% of all adults. (2007)

Again, not really "born again". They are serving "another Jesus, another gospel, and another spirit".

The Bible says:
2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin (refers to the sin offering)for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

1 Peter 2:22
Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:

So we see, at least 26% of people classified as "Born again" by barna do not know enough about the real Jesus TO be "born again," because the "jesus" they think they know is a sinner, to put it bluntly, a false christ (psuedo-cristos).
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This is the state of the so-called "church". And while I cannot blame all of this on the prosperity message, I CAN lay a large portion of the blame on them, because they do not teach salvation or sanctification, and what little they do try to teach is completely wrong anyway, and because they are the biggest thing going these days. All they teach is "money cometh" and fools hear them gladly.
 
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The masses have followed Ms White, Mr Dollar, Mr Copeland, Mr Osteen and numerous others to the point of corruption. We should all Ms White to be a giver and give us all a copy of her books. Think she'll do it?

Unfortunately, many, many Christians have been led to believe that our hope is in the almighty dollar. I agree that God wants us to be prosperous, but not with wordly money. Prosperous in God's word, that will long be here even after the dollar is gone.

Jesus made comment after comment about the ill effects of money, and we ignore this. Trust me when I say........all of the money in the world won't matter. When the awaited day comes.......it will be our hearts, not our bank accounts, that will matter. We, as Christians, hold hatred in our hearts, yes hatred, for God's children. No?......what is you stance on gays? Pro choicers? Atheists? Government? How many southern baptist churches would tolerate blacks coming to worship? We hate and don't even realize that we hate. Or if we do realize it, we think it's ok. Jesus said "Love God with all of your heart", and "Love your neighbor as you love yourself". Those 2 commandments, sum up Christianity in a nutshell.

While I continue to harbor hatred, please pray with me, so that I may find my own path to Heaven. I, in turn, will pray with you, so that you may find your path. Together, we will pray for others that have not found prayer to be helpful, so that they will find their path. That's 3 prayers per day right there. 2 more and we will catch up with the muslims 5 times per day.
 
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I know. I accidentally left the "a" off the end of her name, and the forum wont let me edit the topic name.

After I made my post I went back and listened to the clip again. It introduces her as Paula and gives the guy's name. That was something I missed the first time around.

Duh Veeg! ^_^
 
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When it comes to the prosperity issue, I really don't care if a person believes that they can be prosperous. My real issue with the prosperity movement is the focus on prosperity.

I've heard both Larry Huch and Paula White in person, Larry twice and Paula once. I won't give any positive or negative comments on either one. But after hearing them speak for themselves without the filter of a TV, I keep my distance from the prosperity movement (not that every single point they make is necessarily wrong).

If I can prove to be a good steward with what God has given me and He choses to give me more, and I can prove to be a good steward of that, then so be it. If I prove to be a good steward with what I have and my pay check stays as it is, then so be it.

Just for the record, having spent time with people who are proponents of the prosperity gospel, not everyone goes to extremes. Sometimes those in high places seem to do that. But not everyone does.
 
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It takes a lot to leave my mouth gaping wide.. .. We need to pray for these people, for them and the ones they deceive. :/

Oh man, you should see me a few years ago when I used to sit and watch these guys from time to time, hoping they'd one day "repent and believe the Gospel".


Ken Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Fred Price, and Rod Parsley used to get a lot of screams at the television set from me.

Like 99% of their teaching has nothing whatsoever to do with God or Jesus or the Bible. Whenever they quote the Bible, it is seriously out of context, particularly when they quote a parable, their usage of it contradicts the Bible's own interpretation of the parable.


It is so sad that these "Masters of the Law" do not even have a sunday school knowledge of the Bible.

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Also, everything about them is Gnosticism and secret revelation that the "idiot sheep" can only get through them.


It is sad, because some are drawing some pretty solid connections between the false prosperity gospel and the mortgage crisis in America. These felons were promoting their "audience" (lest I use the term "congregation), to go out and take advantage of these "easy loans" which none of them could afford, and all in the "name of Jesus", it seems.


They are truly "Clouds without water", and sadly, many of their so-called congregation will come right back to them, simply believing that "the devil tried to steal their blessing" and "God has something bigger in store...just gotta give pastor Copeland one more 'Love Gift' before I get it."

I've said it before, and I say it again, they are false apostles and angels of light. They are just as much of the devil as any muslim or wiccan.
 
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