Paul VS Jesus

[manimal2878]

Why does paul never quote Jesus or talk about Jesus's miracles.

It seems the only thing paul knows is the resurrection, he doesn't mention anything else at all.

Why is that?

I am starting to think paul is a fraud.

 

[visionary]

Paul went from believing Torah to seeing Yeshua as Torah. He still talks about Torah as he sees it in Yeshua.

 

[Anti Existance]

Jesus >>>> Paul.

I despise Paul for his wrongfull teaching on homosexuality,headscarves,his wrongfull teachings have done great damage and caused a lot of hurt to a lot of people, although i can forgive his persecution on Jesus he should not come and claim he knew anything about Jesus, he only saw him once in a vision.

My advice NEVER listen to this man, only listen to Jesus who is the true son of God.

What is paul compared to the son of God?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Where did you get your info?

According to Scripture, Yeshua taught Paul personally.
Yeshua came to restore people to G_d. The next time He returns to
earth, though, is different.

Last time, He stayed buried 3 days and 3 nights just as Scripture says (72 hours necessary to fulfill Scripture).

Next time, it's not Him who will be buried !

 

[HypnoToad]

Why does paul never quote Jesus or talk about Jesus's miracles.

It seems the only thing paul knows is the resurrection, he doesn't mention anything else at all.

Why is that?

I am starting to think paul is a fraud.

Paul quotes Jesus twice, 1Cor.11:24-25 and 2Cor.12:9. You can take any one single miracle out of the Gospels, and its absence doesn't have much impact. The only miracle that is the exception to this is the resurrection. That is the only miracle that, if not present, utterly destroys Christianity. Paul's mention of only the resurrection is likely due to the fact that it is the only miracle that really mattered.

Further, Paul was writing to existing churches. They were already familiar with Jesus' words and miracles, so Paul would not need to repeat them.

 

[Breaking Babylon]

Paul was formerly known as Saul of Tarsus, whom God came to. "Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?" Ring a bell? God opened Saul's eyes to truth, as it's written, and he became known as Paul, a Disciple of Christ. If God Himself chose him to write by divine inspiration of the Spirit a portion of the Bible, we must keep that in mind. Paul might've never mentioned a miracle, but he himself had one when God appeared to him and changed his life. Where once he was a man who martyred true Christians, God showed him mercy. Miraculous, isn't it?

 

[JTM3]

Jesus >>>> Paul.

I despise Paul for his wrongfull teaching on ity,headscarves,his wrongfull teachings have done great damage and caused a lot of hurt to a lot of people, although i can forgive his persecution on Jesus he should not come and claim he knew anything about Jesus, he only saw him once in a vision.

My advice NEVER listen to this man, only listen to Jesus who is the true son of God.

What is paul compared to the son of God?

EDIT: Sorry, didn't realize I was in the "Questions by non-Christians" forum.

If your going to be a Christian, understand that Paul wrote about 2/3 of the New Testament, if my recallection is correct. You can't be a Chrisitian and deny any part of the Scriptures. Its an oxymoron. As for why Paul never quotes Jesus, someone posted that he did in 1 or 2 Corinthians; I'll have to look that up.

On home : Let's assume for the sake of debate that there really was two people to begin the human race. Let's take a look at the "possible" combination, and add in our knowledge of biology.

Eve + Jill= Nothing

Adam + Steve= STILL NOTHING

Adam + Eve=Now your talkin'!!!

Home is just plain stupid biologically. It makes no sense scientifically. Ever wonder why its always been frowned upon?!

Therefore, it must be ic, as every creature in the animal kingdom has an opposite to mate with for offspring. And guess what? Your either a or ual, not or home , because the latter two combos suck majorly for trying to have kids. It's not a matter of "finding happiness" or "exploring yourself", its a matter of biology, its a matter of design.

Case closed. (I don't mean to sound harsh, I'm just telling it like it is.)

 

[AllTalkNoAction]

Why does paul never quote Jesus or talk about Jesus's miracles. . . .

Paul introduces himself as the *servant* of Jesus Christ, and recognises Jesus as his new life, he said "I am nothing" without christ, suffered greatly for His name's same etc. . . hardly the words and actions of a fraud.

Are you the genuine article manimal ?

 

[Rafael]

How many accounts more than four is needed to establish the miracles and life of Jesus? Paul was led by the Spirit of God, Jesus, to establish Churches and build up the Church in his day; going to the Gentiles as Jesus instructed him.
Having been schooled and taught the law by the famous Gamaliel, he was a "Pharisee of Pharisees", and persecuted the early Christians until God blinded him on the way to Damascus and spoke to him.
Paul argued that the Law was utterly worthless in gaining salvation; the sacrifice of Christ was enough. In order to make this argument, he relied on the Greek and Roman legal concept of the spirit and the letter of the law. His teachings are in complete harmony with those of the Old Testament and Jesus.

 

[LilLamb219]

His teachings are in complete harmony with those of the Old Testament and Jesus.

I agree!

Paul knew when to apply Law to the people and when to apply the Gospel. For those in despair and needing to know about salvation, he always pointed to Christ crucified for the forgiveness of sins. He boasted in the Lord and not of himself. No fraud there.

 

[visionary]

Paul talks about Yeshua a lot. In Romans alone, it is constantly and the very theme of His conversation. I will only quote you up to Romans 15 to give you and idea of just how much he speaks of Yeshua.

Romans 1:7
To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 1:8
First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Romans 2:16
In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Romans 3:22
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Romans 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Romans 3:26
To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Romans 4:24
But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

Romans 5:1
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Romans 5:11
And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Romans 5:15
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

Romans 5:17
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Romans 5:21
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 6:3
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Romans 6:11
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 7:25
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Romans 8:39
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Romans 13:14
But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Romans 14:14
I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

Romans 15:5
Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:

Romans 15:6
That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Sketcher]

How many accounts more than four is needed to establish the miracles and life of Jesus? Paul was led by the Spirit of God, Jesus, to establish Churches and build up the Church in his day; going to the Gentiles as Jesus instructed him.
Having been schooled and taught the law by the famous Gamaliel, he was a "Pharisee of Pharisees", and persecuted the early Christians until God blinded him on the way to Damascus and spoke to him.
Paul argued that the Law was utterly worthless in gaining salvation; the sacrifice of Christ was enough. In order to make this argument, he relied on the Greek and Roman legal concept of the spirit and the letter of the law. His teachings are in complete harmony with those of the Old Testament and Jesus.

Absolutely. God called Paul to preach to the Gentiles, and to show how He did away with the old law on the cross and usher in the period of grace. The apostles, being eyewitnesses, were there to pass on not only the word of salvation but to pass on the Gospel accounts to the world either directly or through working with such writers as Mark and Luke.

Interestingly enough, Peter himself plugged Paul's writings specifically. Having known Jesus very personally as one of His closest friends, he would have known if Paul was a fraud or not. And what does he say?

"Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction." - 2 Peter 3:15-16

 

[Sketcher]

Jesus >>>> Paul.

I despise Paul for his wrongfull teaching on homosexuality,headscarves,his wrongfull teachings have done great damage and caused a lot of hurt to a lot of people, although i can forgive his persecution on Jesus he should not come and claim he knew anything about Jesus, he only saw him once in a vision.

My advice NEVER listen to this man, only listen to Jesus who is the true son of God.

What is paul compared to the son of God?

OK, so if you're going to throw out Paul, you're going to have to throw out these passages:

"That if you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, 'Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame.' For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, 'Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.'" - Romans 10:9-13

"And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory." - Ephesians 1:13-14

"For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord." - Romans 8:38-39

"Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 'Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!'? These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence." - Colossians 2:20-23

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." - Galatians 3:28

Still think Paul's writings are that bad? You've got to either accept it all or reject it all. These verses and the verses you don't like are all from the same source. In light of this, picking and choosing is not intellectually honest.

 

[chris414]

Jesus >>>> Paul.

I despise Paul for his wrongfull teaching on homosexuality,headscarves,his wrongfull teachings have done great damage and caused a lot of hurt to a lot of people, although i can forgive his persecution on Jesus he should not come and claim he knew anything about Jesus, he only saw him once in a vision.

My advice NEVER listen to this man, only listen to Jesus who is the true son of God.

What is paul compared to the son of God?

Bible = word of God. You cant discount the teachings of Paul. Just because you might not like it doesnt mean its wrong. He was inspired by the Holy Spirit to write what he did

 

[Exegete12]

Anti-existence:
Paul was appointed by Yeshua to be his mouthpiece in establishing churches. He had a zeal for God, but initially it was misdirected, so God had to blind him, Saul had to be humbled, and when he was, he became Paul to the gentiles.

As for talking about Jesus' miracles, well he probably did, but remember these early Christians were experiencing their own miracles, probably on a daily basis. After all, it says in the bible that if it were to be recorded all the miracles that Jesus did perform, there would not be enough room to fit them all. Yet, Jesus said greater things would we do because he goes to the father. Read my signature. Therefore, the early church would have been experiencing the supernatural as a common occurrence.

 

[Merlin]

Paul had a different mission than Jesus.

The writings of Paul are directions to specific churches about their Christian walk.
Jesus spoke to the Jews about understanding their Jewishness.

 

[visionary]

Paul had a different mission than Jesus.

The writings of Paul are directions to specific churches about their Christian walk.
Jesus spoke to the Jews about understanding their Jewishness.

Correct after all, God's purpose is to have a nation of priests representing Him. How else can the prophecy of 10 hanging on to the hem of the Jew saying...

Zechariah 8:23
Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.

 

[I_are_sceptical]

Is there even one quote of Jesus' words in the Gospels that commands all Christians to believe that Paul's writings are authoritative doctrine for the Church? It seems to me that all of the responses on this thread are from Peter, and Paul himself, but mostly the opinions of the posters.

 

[LilLamb219]

Both Jesus and Paul gave the people Law and Gospel where it was necessary. To the unrepentant the person was given the Law and to the one in despair, the person was given the Gospel.

Both Jesus and Paul pointed souls to the cross and the forgiveness of sins, not works righteousness.

 

[Merlin]

Is there even one quote of Jesus' words in the Gospels that commands all Christians to believe that Paul's writings are authoritative doctrine for the Church?

Of course there is not.
Paul lived many years after Jesus walked among us.

Jesus chose 12 men to represent Him (the Apostles)
The Apostles accepted Paul.