Paul Ryan, Enemy of the Middle Class?

[HerbieHeadley]

Here's what Paul Ryan has to say. He doesn't say one word about combatting Medicare fraud.

Republicans resume effort to repeal 'Obamacare' - latimes.com


Key to Ryan's blueprint, to be unveiled Tuesday, is a return to a proposed Medicare overhaul that would create a voucher-like system for the next generation of seniors – when those who are now 55 or 56 become eligible for the program at 65. Under Ryan's plan, seniors would be given a set amount to apply toward the purchase of private health insurance or toward the cost of Medicare.
Critics say that would shift healthcare costs from the government to seniors, because there is no guarantee the value of the support would be enough to cover the costs of an insurance policy.

Irresponsible, on so many levels it's hard to overstate it!

Combating Medicare fraud should be a given and already be number one priority. Why should Paul Ryan use a stupid little platitudes that Obama has been pedaling for over six years about cutting “fraud and abuse” from the system? Hasn’t Mr. “take a scalpel to waste, fraud and abuse” fixed that yet? LOL

All Paul Ryan is attempting to accomplish is a realistic strategy to bring this country back to a sensible fiscal practice. We are facing the ‘Baby-Boomers’ retiring right now and a major strain of the bankrupt policies of Social Security and Medicare are virtually unsustainable.

I am encouraged that there are still members in Congress that still care about this country enough to take full responsibility for the extremely important roll they have been blessed with.

If you think Paul Ryan is attacking the middle class, you must be ignoring the results of ‘birth-right’ citizenship, Illegal Immigration and quantative easing where Bernanky has been helping the Federal Reserve to create more interest burdened money from nothing but selling us out.

We need more solution oriented men like Paul Ryan in politics.

 

[Assuredcw]

Combating Medicare fraud should be a given and already be number one priority. Why should Paul Ryan use a stupid little platitudes that Obama has been pedaling for over six years about cutting “fraud and abuse” from the system? Hasn’t Mr. “take a scalpel to waste, fraud and abuse” fixed that yet? LOL

All Paul Ryan is attempting to accomplish is a realistic strategy to bring this country back to a sensible fiscal practice. We are facing the ‘Baby-Boomers’ retiring right now and a major strain of the bankrupt policies of Social Security and Medicare are virtually unsustainable.

I am encouraged that there are still members in Congress that still care about this country enough to take full responsibility for the extremely important roll they have been blessed with.

If you think Paul Ryan is attacking the middle class, you must be ignoring the results of ‘birth-right’ citizenship, Illegal Immigration and quantative easing where Bernanky has been helping the Federal Reserve to create more interest burdened money from nothing but selling us out.

We need more solution oriented men like Paul Ryan in politics.

Paul Ryan doesn't get a free pass here, or the benefit of a doubt. Privatization is such a move, in exactly the wrong direction, that you really have to wonder if he has a clue. Seriously. Privatization doesn't solve any problems. It exacerbates the ones we already have.

 

[HerbieHeadley]

Paul Ryan doesn't get a free pass here, or the benefit of a doubt. Privatization is such a move, in exactly the wrong direction, that you really have to wonder if he has a clue. Seriously. Privatization doesn't solve any problems. It exacerbates the ones we already have.

Hypochondriacs can and will fail every system imagined.

I'm already forced to pay for way more than my share because I'm not a woman. It was OK for me to pay more Insurance for my car, but OH NO, it would be sexist for me to think Women should pay more to any system.

However, it is all over anyway. Obamacare will just become the new Medicare, so what does it matter anymore.

The only way to really have any real reductions in Health Care costs is to bring the cost of Health Care back to the customer where he or she can save money by being healthy.

 

[Assuredcw]

Combating Medicare fraud should be a given and already be number one priority. Why should Paul Ryan use a stupid little platitudes that Obama has been pedaling for over six years about cutting “fraud and abuse” from the system? Hasn’t Mr. “take a scalpel to waste, fraud and abuse” fixed that yet? LOL

All Paul Ryan is attempting to accomplish is a realistic strategy to bring this country back to a sensible fiscal practice. We are facing the ‘Baby-Boomers’ retiring right now and a major strain of the bankrupt policies of Social Security and Medicare are virtually unsustainable.

I am encouraged that there are still members in Congress that still care about this country enough to take full responsibility for the extremely important roll they have been blessed with.

If you think Paul Ryan is attacking the middle class, you must be ignoring the results of ‘birth-right’ citizenship, Illegal Immigration and quantative easing where Bernanky has been helping the Federal Reserve to create more interest burdened money from nothing but selling us out.

We need more solution oriented men like Paul Ryan in politics.

OK HerbieHeadley, we need a link or some specifics for your statement that I have bolded. What provision has Paul Ryan made for fraud prevention and efficiency? Turning Medicare over to the profit-makers is going to ADD a profit margin to the expenses, a profit margin that would be the direct responsibility of the seniors stuck with this "insurance." Oh, and abolishing "Obamacare" means that the profit margin isn't limited to 25% of premiums. You get rid of the cap on profits and "administrative costs" (profits again) when you get rid of "Obamacare," and there are no caps or limits of any kind under Paul Ryan's plan. It isn't his problem, because he is just going to hand you a voucher and walk away. It isn't a problem he is even interested in solving, and if you want to convince anyone of that, where is your evidence? You won't find it. I looked. That is the reason for this thread.

 

[GarfieldJL]

OK HerbieHeadley, we need a link or some specifics for your statement that I have bolded. What provision has Paul Ryan made for fraud prevention and efficiency? Turning Medicare over to the profit-makers is going to ADD a profit margin to the expenses, a profit margin that would be the direct responsibility of the seniors stuck with this "insurance." Oh, and abolishing "Obamacare" means that the profit margin isn't limited to 25% of premiums. You get rid of the cap on profits and "administrative costs" (profits again) when you get rid of "Obamacare," and there are no caps or limits of any kind under Paul Ryan's plan. It isn't his problem, because he is just going to hand you a voucher and walk away. It isn't a problem he is even interested in solving, and if you want to convince anyone of that, where is your evidence? You won't find it. I looked. That is the reason for this thread.

The profit margin for insurance companies is actually very low, I think it was about 2%.

 

[mpok1519]

The profit margin for insurance companies is actually very low, I think it was about 2%.

3% of multiple billions of dollars.

 

[HerbieHeadley]

OK HerbieHeadley, we need a link or some specifics for your statement that I have bolded. What provision has Paul Ryan made for fraud prevention and efficiency? Turning Medicare over to the profit-makers is going to ADD a profit margin to the expenses, a profit margin that would be the direct responsibility of the seniors stuck with this "insurance." Oh, and abolishing "Obamacare" means that the profit margin isn't limited to 25% of premiums. You get rid of the cap on profits and "administrative costs" (profits again) when you get rid of "Obamacare," and there are no caps or limits of any kind under Paul Ryan's plan. It isn't his problem, because he is just going to hand you a voucher and walk away. It isn't a problem he is even interested in solving, and if you want to convince anyone of that, where is your evidence? You won't find it. I looked. That is the reason for this thread.

When you hear about how Government is using the most of every tax dollar to implement whatever policy, do you ever think that there is a "profit margin?" Does it matter? If it doesn't matter; "What difference does it make!"

The fact that you want me to link a statement from Paul Ryan that he has already stated that cutting fraud and abuse is a good thing; only proves the level of seriousness you desire of me.

 

[GarfieldJL]

3% of multiple billions of dollars.

Okay so it's 3%, that kinda proves that the insurance companies aren't ripping people off.

 

[Assuredcw]

When you hear about how Government is using the most of every tax dollar to implement whatever policy, do you ever think that there is a "profit margin?" Does it matter? If it doesn't matter; "What difference does it make!"

The fact that you want me to link a statement from Paul Ryan that he has already stated that cutting fraud and abuse is a good thing; only proves the level of seriousness you desire of me.

Government is "not-for-profit" by definition. Private industry is "for profit" unless they state otherwise. That's why Paul Ryan really DOES need to demonstrate that he actually has a CLUE by verbalizing it. Privatization, unless he TELLS us what he will do to mitigate it, means someone is feeding at the trough getting a profit out of it. Sorry, but that's what it means. That's why I don't like him. He thinks we are stupid (or maybe he really doesn't know, in which case, WHY on EARTH is he the Chairman of the House Budget Committee?!)

 

[Assuredcw]

Okay so it's 3%, that kinda proves that the insurance companies aren't ripping people off.

They like the mandate. They don't like the ceiling on "administrative." So what does that tell ya? Yep.

 

[GarfieldJL]

They like the mandate. They don't like the ceiling on "administrative." So what does that tell ya? Yep.

If it didn't have the mandate then every insurance company would have to completely shut down because it would be impossible to give health insurance without going bankrupt due to how Obamacare is set up.

 

[Assuredcw]

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[Assuredcw]

If it didn't have the mandate then every insurance company would have to completely shut down because it would be impossible to give health insurance without going bankrupt due to how Obamacare is set up.

But if you are going to have that mandate, you had better have that ceiling on admin. It has to be fair to everyone.

And the mandate is not Obama's fault. Insurance companies have to get everyone who is young and healthy into the pool, to join the people who are older and sick. Otherwise, insurance is going to be prohibitively expensive. Here's a link I found that explains this better than I can.

Law of Large Numbers

I get it, though -- Obama didn't invent this. He spoke to the insurance companies and did what he could to get the rates down. It's going to work when everyone starts buying insurance the way they are supposed to. I think he did a good job.

 

[SPB1987]

But if you are going to have that mandate, you had better have that ceiling on admin. It has to be fair to everyone.

And the mandate is not Obama's fault. Insurance companies have to get everyone who is young and healthy into the pool, to join the people who are older and sick. Otherwise, insurance is going to be prohibitively expensive. Here's a link I found that explains this better than I can.

Law of Large Numbers

I get it, though -- Obama didn't invent this. He spoke to the insurance companies and did what he could to get the rates down. It's going to work when everyone starts buying insurance the way they are supposed to. I think he did a good job.

Your probably right. Switzerland has a similar system in place. They have a individual mandate but those who can not afford insurance are subsidized by the government. Pretty sure their insurance companies have to operate as non-profits as well.

 

[Assuredcw]

This is very, very interesting, and there's video, too:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...addow-rips-paul-ryan-over-12-cnbc-appearance/

 

[Assuredcw]

Matt Miller: Paul Ryan is no Ronald Reagan - The Washington Post

 

[GarfieldJL]

Matt Miller: Paul Ryan is no Ronald Reagan - The Washington Post

Didn't the left try to claim Reagan hated poor people, minorities, etc. as well...

 

[Assuredcw]

Didn't the left try to claim Reagan hated poor people, minorities, etc. as well...

Don't ask me about "The Left." I voted for Reagan. But I don't want anything to do with the GOP we have now, and Paul Ryan is the epitome of someone who carries water for wealthy donors, who want to make the middle class pay down the deficit, while they get tax cut after tax cut, after tax cut. I have no intention of letting them get away with that. None.

 

[Assuredcw]

GOP's effort to roll back healthcare reforms is bad policy - latimes.com

 

[Assuredcw]

Paul Ryan’s cruelly radical vision


Paul Ryan’s budget could prove to be a perversely useful document.
Thanks to this plan, nobody can take the House Budget Committee chairman seriously anymore as a policy wonk or a true deficit hawk. His budget is the work of an ideologue. It’s a bargaining ploy that even Ryan concedes is merely “a vision.”
It is full of holes and magic asterisks, the biggest being his refusal to detail any of the middle-class tax deductions he would have to scrap to get to his 25 percent income tax rate. This would represent an astonishingly large cut from the current 39.6 percent rate for incomes of over $450,000 a year.
It’s a cruel budget. To finance his largess to the very well-off, Ryan would — through steep Medicaid cuts and the repeal of Obamacare — leave an additional 40 million to 50 million poor or moderate-income Americans without health insurance, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.
He’d impose big reductions for food stamps, college tuition aid, child nutrition programs and a slew of other programs that help the least among us. Even here, Ryan doesn’t come clean. He fuzzes up exactly how such cuts might be made by lumping them together in large categories.
Those who think of themselves as compassionate conservatives have a moral obligation to oppose Ryan’s design....