Paul Ryan, Enemy of the Middle Class?

[Jeffwhosoever]

Resurrect another old thread to again prove nothing but Democrats in desperation.

 

[Assuredcw]

Resurrect another old thread to again prove nothing but Democrats in desperation.

This is current news. This is just how long I have been watching Paul Ryan. He isn't under the radar, because I have been watching him. (Well, quite a few people have been, if you read the thread.)

 

[Assuredcw]

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[Jeffwhosoever]

This is current news. This is just how long I have been watching Paul Ryan. He isn't under the radar, because I have been watching him. (Well, quite a few people have been, if you read the thread.)

What current news? What is on the news today about Paul Ryan, specifically, that relates to this topic?

 

[Assuredcw]

What current news? What is on the news today about Paul Ryan, specifically, that relates to this topic?

He's on the ticket with Romney (you knew that, right?).

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

He's on the ticket with Romney (you knew that, right?).

Any more insightful posts you got in store?

 

[Assuredcw]

JeffWhoso and everybody, please respond to THIS:

Here's some important information on the tie-in to Grover Norquist, and the reconfiguring of the tax code. Bye bye deductions, hello increased tax burden for middle-classers!

Norquist: Romney Will Do As Told—David Frum - The Daily Beast

They don't care WHO the Republican president is, and he isn't going to have a choice. He is going to have to rubber-stamp Paul Ryan's agenda, so says Grover Norquist.

Thank you!

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

The Daily Beast. Here we go again.

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[Assuredcw]

The Daily Beast. Here we go again.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Daily Beast

URL thedailybeast.com
Available language(s) English
Owner The Newsweek Daily Beast Company
Created by Tina Brown
Editor Tina Brown
Launched October 6, 2008; 4 years ago
For the fictional newspaper, see Scoop (novel).
Not to be confused with The Beast (newspaper).
The Daily Beast is a liberal American news reporting and opinion website founded and published by Tina Brown, former editor of Vanity Fair and The New Yorker as well as the short-lived Talk Magazine. The Daily Beast was launched on October 6, 2008, and is owned by IAC.

I meant, respond to what Grover Norquist was telling the Republicans in Congress who signed his Pledge...

Is Grover Norquist so unpopular with EVERYONE, that to say that he was speaking to Congress and that people have signed his Anti-Tax Pledge, is to accuse that person of being LIBERAL?! He DID say it. You certainly don't dispute the facts being reported? If you dispute anything, it would be the interpretation.

Take it away!

 

[Assuredcw]

Well, the election is done, but Paul Ryan isn't, because he is STILL chairman of the House Budget Committee and he STILL wants to turn Medicare into a voucher and get rid of deductions:

Paul Ryan's budget plan would destroy the middle class


This opinion piece is from August of last year, but because he is still House Budget Committee Chairman, it is must reading!

 

[Assuredcw]

Paul Ryan Can't Accept That He Lost the Election - Politics - The Atlantic Wire

[House budget Committee Chairman] Paul Ryan promises the sequester will not be the last fiscal crisis this year. He pledges the GOP will again use the debt limit to extract more cuts from Obama this summer, and he rejects the White House's proposals to cut entitlements. It didn't have to be this way, Ryan says. "Mitt and I were going to bring to Congress a plan to fix this this year and we were going to launch a charm offensive with Senate Democrats to work with them to do it," he tells The Washington Post's Ruth Marcus. But he and Mitt lost. That fact seems to still be sinking in with Ryan...

 

[GarfieldJL]

Paul Ryan Can't Accept That He Lost the Election - Politics - The Atlantic Wire

[House budget Committee Chairman] Paul Ryan promises the sequester will not be the last fiscal crisis this year. He pledges the GOP will again use the debt limit to extract more cuts from Obama this summer, and he rejects the White House's proposals to cut entitlements. It didn't have to be this way, Ryan says. "Mitt and I were going to bring to Congress a plan to fix this this year and we were going to launch a charm offensive with Senate Democrats to work with them to do it," he tells The Washington Post's Ruth Marcus. But he and Mitt lost. That fact seems to still be sinking in with Ryan...

What I find interesting is that democrats claim they are reaching out to Republicans on the one hand, yet are insulting them every five minutes on the other hand (sometimes even in the same speech)...

Paul Ryan doesn't hate the middle class, you need to learn how to distinguish honest journalism from left-wing propaganda.

Fact of the matter is that Paul Ryan and the House Republicans have at least passed budgets and been making attempts to get our fiscal house in order.

What has Harry Reid and Senate Democrats done, well they haven't even bothered to work on a budget in violation of Federal Law for the past 4 years (neither did the House until Republicans retook control). Obama's budgets have usually been late and are complete disasters that nobody in his own party will vote for, and you're telling me "it's all the Republicans fault."

So we have Harry Reid sitting on his hands and playing a blame game, while Barack Obama flies around on Air Force One throwing a temper tantrum about "evil Republicans."

Obama already got his tax hike, and now he wants another one. Tax hike =/= spending cut.

 

[Assuredcw]

What I find interesting is that democrats claim they are reaching out to Republicans on the one hand, yet are insulting them every five minutes on the other hand (sometimes even in the same speech)...

Paul Ryan doesn't hate the middle class, you need to learn how to distinguish honest journalism from left-wing propaganda.

Fact of the matter is that Paul Ryan and the House Republicans have at least passed budgets and been making attempts to get our fiscal house in order.

What has Harry Reid and Senate Democrats done, well they haven't even bothered to work on a budget in violation of Federal Law for the past 4 years (neither did the House until Republicans retook control). Obama's budgets have usually been late and are complete disasters that nobody in his own party will vote for, and you're telling me "it's all the Republicans fault."

So we have Harry Reid sitting on his hands and playing a blame game, while Barack Obama flies around on Air Force One throwing a temper tantrum about "evil Republicans."

Obama already got his tax hike, and now he wants another one. Tax hike =/= spending cut.

From where I am sitting, the Republicans have an exremely poor track record when it comes to fiscal discipline. Their voting records during the Bush Administration were to increase spending. They VOTED to increase spending on any number of items, and the only reason why they do not continue to do so, is because they are talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Raising taxes and adequately funding what we "bit off" under Bush is the best way to tackle this problem.

 

[GarfieldJL]

From where I am sitting, the Republicans have an exremely poor track record when it comes to fiscal discipline. Their voting records during the Bush Administration were to increase spending. They VOTED to increase spending on any number of items, and the only reason why they do not continue to do so, is because they are talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Both sides have a spending problem, the fact is Republicans have started to wake up to that fact, while Democrats just want to keep spending.

Raising taxes and adequately funding what we "bit off" under Bush is the best way to tackle this problem.

Explains why the Federal Government generated record tax revenue in 2006 and 2007...

Seriously, tax cuts can sometimes actually cause an increase in the revenue that government takes in.

 

[Assuredcw]

Both sides have a spending problem, the fact is Republicans have started to wake up to that fact, while Democrats just want to keep spending.



Explains why the Federal Government generated record tax revenue in 2006 and 2007...

Seriously, tax cuts can sometimes actually cause an increase in the revenue that government takes in.

The word "Conservative" isn't supposed to mean, tear down everything that used to have bipartisan support, unilaterally.

This is a democracy. Both sides have a presumed interest in restoring fiscal balance, and both sides should contribute to solving this problem (as opposed to calling the shots). That probably means that we will not be getting rid of Social Security or Medicare anytime soon, although certain things might be tweaked.

President Obama does NOT have a mandate to do what Paul Ryan promised to do. This was the reason he won the election.

 

[GarfieldJL]

The word "Conservative" isn't supposed to mean, tear down everything that used to have bipartisan support, unilaterally.

"Bi-paritisanship" doesn't mean "my way or the highway either."

This is a democracy. Both sides have a presumed interest in restoring fiscal balance, and both sides should contribute to solving this problem (as opposed to calling the shots). That probably means that we will not be getting rid of Social Security or Medicare anytime soon, although certain things might be tweaked.

Actually only one side has any interest in restoring fiscal balance. Let's be honest here, would you be inclined in working with someone that goes out on television and starts insulting you, questioning your motives, etc. in front of the American Public?

Would you be inclined to work with someone that constantly moves the goal posts?

Obama and the Democrats are not serious about this, Obama wants "income redistribution," he wants to punish people for being successful. He doesn't want to cut anything, he never wanted a grand bargain, he wants Republicans to simply cave.

President Obama does NOT have a mandate to do what Paul Ryan promised to do. This was the reason he won the election.

At least Paul Ryan has come up with a budget gotten it passed in the House, etc. Democrats in the Senate haven't worked on a budget in 4 years, let alone passed one. Obama's budget couldn't get a single Democrat to vote for it.

 

[Assuredcw]

....At least Paul Ryan has come up with a budget gotten it passed in the House, etc. Democrats in the Senate haven't worked on a budget in 4 years, let alone passed one. Obama's budget couldn't get a single Democrat to vote for it.

See above regarding the fact that Mitt Romney / Paul Ryan lost the election. Maybe the Dems aren't so eager to adopt Paul Ryan's ideas, especially after that!

If I were in the GOP, I would look into raising additional revenue by adding an extra bracket or two for the millionaire-plus people, requiring a minimum 30 percent rate regardless of capital gains (as opposed to salaries), and taking President Obama up on his offer to recalculate the inflation factor on Social Security, and the other cuts he has proposed. No, I am not thrilled about it, but it beats a poke in the eye with a sharp stick (what can I say?).

Personally, I would leave Social Security alone, because it doesn't come out of the General Fund. It has its own fund, and we wouldn't be able to use the money "saved" for any other purpose. But whatever. We do need those additional tax revenues President Obama is requesting, to pay for the unfunded things that Bush got us into.

 

[GarfieldJL]

See above regarding the fact that Mitt Romney / Paul Ryan lost the election. Maybe the Dems aren't so eager to adopt Paul Ryan's ideas, especially after that!

If I were in the GOP, I would look into raising additional revenue by adding an extra bracket or two for the millionaire-plus people, requiring a minimum 30 percent rate regardless of capital gains (as opposed to salaries), and taking President Obama up on his offer to recalculate the inflation factor on Social Security, and the other cuts he has proposed. No, I am not thrilled about it, but it beats a poke in the eye with a sharp stick (what can I say?).

You mean the Democrats demonized Paul Ryan, while not presenting what their own plans were and the media never bothered to call Obama out on it as usual.

 

[Assuredcw]

You mean the Democrats demonized Paul Ryan, while not presenting what their own plans were and the media never bothered to call Obama out on it as usual.

President Obama has presented quite a few things, and I just described some of them, and I was quoting the Atlantic (my link) when I did.

 

[JustABit]

Explains why the Federal Government generated record tax revenue in 2006 and 2007...

Seriously, tax cuts can sometimes actually cause an increase in the revenue that government takes in.

Roughly, every year will bring in more revenue than the last, thanks to GDP growth. Over the last fifty years, most years have brought in "record revenue" when compared to previous years.