Paul did not teach Perpetual Belief Alone-ism for salvation.

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Here's a much shorter more subdued version of it.

Off the top of my head that I can think of: Luke 18:9-14 and John 6:29 are two places in Scripture where Jesus appears to teach Belief Alone-ism. But if one were to look at the surrounding chapters of these verses, they would get plenty of times where Jesus also taught that a person had to live righteously as a part of being in His Kingdom. Many today have just written off the words of Jesus entirely and say that He was teaching Old Covenant when this was not the case. Man today does not like to do what is good, and so he is desperate to make room for some kind of sin while he also tries to serve God. Sin has been regulated to being no more dangerous than a fluffy kitten. But the Bible does not make excuses for a believer that they can sin and still be saved. That would be turning God's grace into a license for immorality (Jude 1:4). If you don't believe the Word that I have shared with you, then that is on you. I know you will see this truth one day. I just pray and hope it is in this life.

As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the coming of the Son of Man.
Think what it was like around the times of Noah. Men were all justifying sin. 2 Timothy 3:1-9 says in the last days perilous times will come, men shall be lovers of their own selves. They will have a form of godliness but they will deny the power thereof. Look around you and you will see that is what is going on. But Jesus said narrow is the way that leads unto life and FEW be there that finds it.

 

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If you don't believe the Word that I have shared with you, then that is on you. I know you will see this truth one day. I just pray and hope it is in this life.

You seem to believe that you live a much holier life than I do. Do you say to God "I'm glad I'm not like Brian because I believe sin is bad and I repent of my sin all the time and I highlight my Bible daily"? Are you judging me as an unrepentant sinner? Are you saying I have no light in me? Do you view most Christians that way? That most aren't as holy as you are?

 

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You seem to believe that you live a much holier life than I do. Do you say to God "I'm glad I'm not like Brian because I believe sin is bad and I repent of my sin all the time and I highlight my Bible daily"? Are you judging me as an unrepentant sinner? Are you saying I have no light in me? Do you view most Christians that way? That most aren't as holy as you are?

To my knowledge: I never made a prayer like the Pharisee had made in Luke 18:9-14. But I do not like the idea that Christians justify sin. I am commanded to love the sinner and hate the sin and or hate the false belief. God will judge me. No doubt about it. He will judge everyone. He will reveal all things that are hidden.

Anyways, I don’t make the rules. God does by His Word. If you don’t like it, take it up with Him. The Lord said narrow is the way that leads to life and few be there that find it.

 

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To my knowledge: I never made a prayer like the Pharisee had made in Luke 18:9-14. But I do not like the idea that Christians justify sin. I am commanded to love the sinner and hate the sin and or hate the false belief. God will judge me. No doubt about it. He will judge everyone. He will reveal all things that are hidden.

Anyways, I don’t make the rules. God does by His Word. If you don’t like it, take it up with Him. The Lord said narrow is the way that leads to life and few be there that find it.

Not that I'm calling you one, but the classic cop out of false teachers and crackpots is, "It's not me saying these things, it's God". No it's what you say in your own words that matters. No matter how many Bible verses one might cherry pick to back up their words, their words are still their own.

 

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Off the top of my head that I can think of: Luke 18:9-14 and John 6:29 are two places in Scripture where Jesus appears to teach Belief Alone-ism. But if one were to look at the surrounding chapters of these verses, they would get plenty of times where Jesus also taught that a person had to live righteously as a part of being in His Kingdom. Many today have just written off the words of Jesus entirely and say that He was teaching Old Covenant when this was not the case. Man today does not like to do what is good, and so he is desperate to make room for some kind of sin while he also tries to serve God. Sin has been regulated to being no more dangerous than a fluffy kitten. But the Bible does not make excuses for a believer that they can sin and still be saved. That would be turning God's grace into a license for immorality (Jude 1:4). If you don't believe the Word that I have shared with you, then that is on you. I know you will see this truth one day. I just pray and hope it is in this life.

As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the coming of the Son of Man.
Think what it was like around the times of Noah. Men were all justifying sin. 2 Timothy 3:1-9 says in the last days perilous times will come, men shall be lovers of their own selves. They will have a form of godliness but they will deny the power thereof. Look around you and you will see that is what is going on. But Jesus said narrow is the way that leads unto life and FEW be there that finds it.

I posted that video because I think you need to refine your understanding of our Father's relationship with His children. At least you realized that our Father is not into eternal torment.

 

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Not that I'm calling you one, but the classic cop out of false teachers and crackpots is, "It's not me saying these things, it's God". No it's what you say in your own words that matters. No matter how many Bible verses one might cherry pick to back up their words, their words are still their own.

Then you have to prove that I am cherry picking verses out of context. So far, you have not really done such a thing on a consistent basis to my knowledge. Yet, I have constantly explained things with Scripture when my belief is challenged. Therein is the difference between us.

 

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I posted that video because I think you need to refine your understanding of our Father's relationship with His children. At least you realized that our Father is not into eternal torment.

My authority does not come from men but from God’s Word. No offense, while the man in the video makes some true statements, he also makes some exceptionally false claims that goes against what the Bible teaches.

 

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Then you have to prove that I am cherry picking verses out of context. So far, you have not really done such a thing on a consistent basis to my knowledge. Yet, I have constantly explained things with Scripture when my belief is challenged. Therein is the difference between us.

I'm trying to help you out. Getting into dueling scriptures with you, isn't going to help you any.

 

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My authority does not come from men but from God’s Word. No offense, while the man in the video makes some true statements, he also makes some exceptionally false claims that goes against what the Bible teaches.

You don't have any authority though. Whereas both men in both videos actually do. And they have the approval of men in even higher positions of authority. You're just one of many lone anonymous people on the internet who thinks they have a special understanding of the Bible.

 

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I'm trying to help you out. Getting into dueling scriptures with you, isn't going to help you any.

Faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17). If the Bible says it, I believe it. If you prove your case with the Bible and explain the verses using the Bible, then I would believe it. But I know the Scriptures simply do not support you, friend. For example: In our previous conversation, you think 1 John 1:9 is dealing with Initial Salvation. But that is not the context. Nowhere does John mention about how the unbeliever is coming to the faith for the first time via by confessing one's sins. 1 John 2:1 also tells us to sin not, but if we do happen to sin, we have an advocate Jesus Christ that we can go to. This plays in with 1 John 1:9. It's the context of which you ignore because you don't like it. Others have also tried to do backflip twists with 1 John 1:9 because they do not like what it says. Some have thought that 1 John 1:9 is dealing with sin which is a break in fellowship with God while they still are saved. But again, there is no indication that this is so by the context.

 

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You don't have any authority though. Whereas both men in both videos actually do. And they have the approval of men in even higher positions of authority. You're just one of many lone anonymous people on the internet who thinks they have a special understanding of the Bible.

Just because somebody does a video or has the approval of men from a church organization does not mean they have any authority according to God and His Word.

 

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You don't have any authority though. Whereas both men in both videos actually do. And they have the approval of men in even higher positions of authority. You're just one of many lone anonymous people on the internet who thinks they have a special understanding of the Bible.

1 John 2:27 says,
“But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.”

2 Timothy 2:15 says,
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”

 

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Just because somebody does a video or has the approval of men from a church organization does not mean they have any authority according to God and His Word.

They have earned credentials and endorsements. Therefore what they say carries more weight than those who have none and no one to vouch for them.

 

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Faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17). If the Bible says it, I believe it. If you prove your case with the Bible and explain the verses using the Bible, then I would believe it. But I know the Scriptures simply do not support you, friend. For example: In our previous conversation, you think 1 John 1:9 is dealing with Initial Salvation. But that is not the context. Nowhere does John mention about how the unbeliever is coming to the faith for the first time via by confessing one's sins. 1 John 2:1 also tells us to sin not, but if we do happen to sin, we have an advocate Jesus Christ that we can go to. This plays in with 1 John 1:9. It's the context of which you ignore because you don't like it. Others have also tried to do backflip twists with 1 John 1:9 because they do not like what it says. Some have thought that 1 John 1:9 is dealing with sin which are a break in fellowship with God while they still are saved. But again, there is no indication that this is so by the context.

No that was NotreDame. You lump people together. And then accuse that lump of having the same agenda.

 

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Off the top of my head that I can think of: Luke 18:9-14 and John 6:29 are two places in Scripture where Jesus appears to teach Belief Alone-ism. But if one were to look at the surrounding chapters of these verses, they would get plenty of times where Jesus also taught that a person had to live righteously as a part of being in His Kingdom. Many today have just written off the words of Jesus entirely and say that He was teaching Old Covenant when this was not the case. Man today does not like to do what is good, and so he is desperate to make room for some kind of sin while he also tries to serve God. Sin has been regulated to being no more dangerous than a fluffy kitten. But the Bible does not make excuses for a believer that they can sin and still be saved. That would be turning God's grace into a license for immorality (Jude 1:4). If you don't believe the Word that I have shared with you, then that is on you. I know you will see this truth one day. I just pray and hope it is in this life.

As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the coming of the Son of Man.
Think what it was like around the times of Noah. Men were all justifying sin. 2 Timothy 3:1-9 says in the last days perilous times will come, men shall be lovers of their own selves. They will have a form of godliness but they will deny the power thereof. Look around you and you will see that is what is going on. But Jesus said narrow is the way that leads unto life and FEW be there that finds it.

Jude is talking about Gnostics. It seems like you think most everyone here is pushing Gnosticism. That most of Christianity compares to those in the days of Noah who perished in the flood, whereas you of course are Noah.

If you don't believe the Word that I have shared with you, then that is on you. I know you will see this truth one day. I just pray and hope it is in this life.

Okay, Noah. Is there a compound I need to move to?

 

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They have earned credentials and endorsements. Therefore what they say carries more weight than those who have none and no one to vouch for them.

Not according to the Word of God.

“And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.” (Luke 16:15).

“That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God” (1 Corinthians 2:5).

“I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation.” (Psalms 119:99).

 

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Not according to the Word of God.

“And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.” (Luke 16:15).

“That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God” (1 Corinthians 2:5).

“I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation.” (Psalms 119:99).

That applies to others but not you of course.

 

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But I know the Scriptures simply do not support you, friend. For example: In our previous conversation, you think 1 John 1:9 is dealing with Initial Salvation. But that is not the context. Nowhere does John mention about how the unbeliever is coming to the faith for the first time via by confessing one's sins. 1 John 2:1 also tells us to sin not, but if we do happen to sin, we have an advocate Jesus Christ that we can go to. This plays in with 1 John 1:9. It's the context of which you ignore because you don't like it. Others have also tried to do backflip twists with 1 John 1:9 because they do not like what it says. Some have thought that 1 John 1:9 is dealing with sin which are a break in fellowship with God while they still are saved. But again, there is no indication that this is so by the context.

No that was NotreDame. You lump people together. And then accuse that lump of having the same agenda.

Not at all.

In post #230 in another thread, you said this, I quote:

“If we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us.

Sounds like a one time deal at the time of conversion. No repetition is indicated. Not "every time we confess" or "if we keep confessing" or anything like that.” ~ Quote by: MMXX.
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This means that I was correct in saying that you believe 1 John 1:9 is referring to Initial Salvation only.

Proverbs 28 says,

“He that covereth his sins shall not prosper:
but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.”
(Proverbs 28:13).​

You said, I quote in post #291 in another thread, I quote:

“You've been saying that each time a saved person commits a mortal sin, they have lost their salvation, and will go to hell, until they confess their mortal sin.” ~ Quote by: MMXX.​

This implies strongly that you can sin and still be saved. This is what the majority of Christians today believe, and yet it runs contrary to the teachings of Jesus and His followers.

For Jesus says,

“But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.” (Matthew 5:28-30).

 

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They have earned credentials and endorsements. Therefore what they say carries more weight than those who have none and no one to vouch for them.

Not according to the Word of God.

“And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.” (Luke 16:15).

“That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God” (1 Corinthians 2:5).

“I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation.” (Psalms 119:99).

That applies to others but not you of course.

Please look at the verses in what they say and meditate on them, brother. If things are as you say, then those verses I shown to you cannot be true.

 

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Jude is talking about Gnostics. It seems like you think most everyone here is pushing Gnosticism. That most of Christianity compares to those in the days of Noah who perished in the flood, whereas you of course are Noah.

How does the gnostic belief differ from a sin and still be saved type belief within Christianity?
While gnostics did believe in the denial of the Incarnation (1 John 4:3), they also believed that sin was an illusion or non-existent (1 John 1:8 cf. 1 John 2:26, 1 John 2:4); Therefore the gnostics believed they could sin and still be saved. Yes, I am aware that Christians today think sin is very real on a physical level, but they do not think it exists for them on a spiritual level because Jesus paid for all their future sins by their having a belief alone on Jesus. Yet, both the gnostic and the majority of Sola Scriptura Christians today agree that one can sin and still be saved. Yet, this is why the apostle John wrote 1 John 1:9 and 1 John 2:1. It was to reconcile this problem in how to properly deal with sin. One needs to confess to Jesus their sin (1 John 1:9), and then they are to “sin not.” (1 John 2:1) (Note: This is in context or view of overcoming mortal sin, or grievous sin).

Okay, Noah. Is there a compound I need to move to?

Only Jesus of how He is represented in the Bible can be your escape, friend.
We cannot create our own version of Jesus that runs contrary to what the Bible says.


Side Note:

Oh, and I am also a Sola Scriptura Christian, but I prefer the term, “Bible Alone + The Anointing to Understand It.” But unfortunately, most of my fellow Sola Scriptura brethren believe they can sin and still be saved. I believe this runs contrary to the words of Jesus and His followers.