Paul confessing that he keeps the Law.

[NaLuvena]

Acts 24:14 (Amplified Bible)

14But this I confess to you, however, that in accordance with the Way [of the Lord], which they call a [heretical, division-producing] sect, I worship (serve) the God of our fathers, still persuaded of the truth of and believing in and placing full confidence in everything laid down in the Law [of Moses] or written in the prophets;

Paul's own admission, during his trial at Jerusalem before Felix.

 

[cyberlizard]

are you saying then that by Paul's admission, clean foods only would have been on his menu, to the exception of unclean foods?




Steve

 

[NaLuvena]

are you saying then that by Paul's admission, clean foods only would have been on his menu, to the exception of unclean foods?




Steve

Paul said he kept the Law.

 

[Rose_bud]

Paul said he kept the Law.

Paul said he believed, the Law...

 

[cyberlizard]

if he said he believed it he must have kept it, as it is written he that does these things shall live by them.

from a Jewish point of view, if you say you believe something and do not do what it says, then you simply don't believe it.


Steve

 

[cyberlizard]

Paul said he believed, the Law...

note also that he said My brothers, although I have done nothing against our people or against the customs of our ancestors...(Acts 28v17) - just a few years before his death.

to say he kept the customs also implies he kept the commandments. Commandments come first, customs come afterwards.

it would seem mightily strange having Paul appeal to the customs for leniency whilst deliberately breaking the commandments.


Steve

 

[Frogster]

Acts 24:14 (Amplified Bible)

14But this I confess to you, however, that in accordance with the Way [of the Lord], which they call a [heretical, division-producing] sect, I worship (serve) the God of our fathers, still persuaded of the truth of and believing in and placing full confidence in everything laid down in the Law [of Moses] or written in the prophets;

Paul's own admission, during his trial at Jerusalem before Felix.

Like rose-bud said he believed all in the law and prophets..so?


Acts 3:22
Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you.


Now do what Jesus tells you, and listen to his chosen instrument please.


Acts 9:15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel.

 

[Frogster]

Paul said he kept the Law.

Please tell me how Barnabas, Paul, Timothy, Silas, and Titus, could be with Paul, converting gentiles, and then not eating with them?

What did Barnabas preach, something different than Paul?

Again, they were lvivng as gentiles in Antioch.

 

[Frogster]

note also that he said My brothers, although I have done nothing against our people or against the customs of our ancestors...(Acts 28v17) - just a few years before his death.

to say he kept the customs also implies he kept the commandments. Commandments come first, customs come afterwards.

it would seem mightily strange having Paul appeal to the customs for leniency whilst deliberately breaking the commandments.


Steve

What was the context? He had not broken any laws then, in the temple, he was on defense for that "crime", the comment was not a sweepiing statement of 23 years if being in Christ.

17 After three days he called together the local leaders of the Jews, and when they had gathered, he said to them, “Brothers, though I had done nothing against our people or the customs of our fathers, yet I was delivered as a prisoner from Jerusalem into the hands of the Romans.

 

[NaLuvena]

Like rose-bud said he believed all in the law and prophets..so?


Acts 3:22
Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you.

Now do what Jesus tells you, and listen to his chosen instrument please.


Acts 9:15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel.

I do. I listen to the Spirit.

And for those of you who persist in saying that Paul somehow believed the entire Law but did not follow it, like Rosebud and Frogster have said....

Acts 21
24 Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.

25 As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.”

26 The next day Paul took the men and purified himself along with them. Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the days of purification would end and the offering would be made for each of them.

They asked Paul to join in the purification rites of these 4 guys because it would show everyone that Paul obeyed the Law (not just believed the Law)

AND PAUL DID!!!

 

[Frogster]

note also that he said My brothers, although I have done nothing against our people or against the customs of our ancestors...(Acts 28v17) - just a few years before his death.

to say he kept the customs also implies he kept the commandments. Commandments come first, customs come afterwards.

it would seem mightily strange having Paul appeal to the customs for leniency whilst deliberately breaking the commandments.


Steve

On another thread, when I mentioned Acts 15:1, where it said customs, you said that was not Mosaic law. Which way we goooin here please?

 

[NaLuvena]

What was the context? He had not broken any laws then, in the temple, he was on defense for that "crime", the comment was not a sweepiing statement of 23 years if being in Christ.

17 After three days he called together the local leaders of the Jews, and when they had gathered, he said to them, “Brothers, though I had done nothing against our people or the customs of our fathers, yet I was delivered as a prisoner from Jerusalem into the hands of the Romans.

Sounds suspiciously like you're saying that Paul lied under examination.

That was a sweeping statement with no qualifications to prove otherwise.

 

[Rose_bud]

if he said he believed it he must have kept it, as it is written he that does these things shall live by them.

from a Jewish point of view, if you say you believe something and do not do what it says, then you simply don't believe it.


Steve

Hi cyberlizard hope you well, Yes, he believed it… He believed everything said about the Law and the prophets, that it spoke of Jesus Christ, which is the reason he was there before Felix

 

[from scratch]

Paul said he believed, the Law...

That's what I thought the verse said. He said that he worshipped in the manner of the Way which isn't the same as the Jews. It sure seems to me that Paul sought to do harm to these people because they were called heretics and stoned. It is even possible that he attended Stephen's stoning.

Also if Peter was living like a gentile, was Paul? Paul condemned Peter for hypocrisy for abandoning the gentiles. Why would this matter if Paul was keeping the law? I would think it would cause pride and not rebuke.

 

[from scratch]

if he said he believed it he must have kept it, as it is written he that does these things shall live by them.

from a Jewish point of view, if you say you believe something and do not do what it says, then you simply don't believe it.


Steve

Mere assumption. I also believe the same and don't live according to the law.

 

[from scratch]

note also that he said My brothers, although I have done nothing against our people or against the customs of our ancestors...(Acts 28v17) - just a few years before his death.

to say he kept the customs also implies he kept the commandments. Commandments come first, customs come afterwards.

it would seem mightily strange having Paul appeal to the customs for leniency whilst deliberately breaking the commandments.


Steve

Please where does the Scripture cited say anything about keeping or observing anything?

 

[from scratch]

I do. I listen to the Spirit.

And for those of you who persist in saying that Paul somehow believed the entire Law but did not follow it, like Rosebud and Frogster have said....

Acts 21
24 Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.

25 As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.”

26 The next day Paul took the men and purified himself along with them. Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the days of purification would end and the offering would be made for each of them.

They asked Paul to join in the purification rites of these 4 guys because it would show everyone that Paul obeyed the Law (not just believed the Law)

AND PAUL DID!!!

I think the idea was to cause the Jews to think something and not prove that Paul observed the law. Please read the account very carefully.

 

[from scratch]

On another thread, when I mentioned Acts 15:1, where it said customs, you said that was not Mosaic law. Which way we goooin here please?

Seven ways from Sunday.

 

[from scratch]

Sounds suspiciously like you're saying that Paul lied under examination.

That was a sweeping statement with no qualifications to prove otherwise.

Inquiring minds wish to know how this opinion is arrived at.

 

[Rose_bud]

Sounds suspiciously like you're saying that Paul lied under examination.

That was a sweeping statement with no qualifications to prove otherwise.

Not at all, he was actually telling the truth... he was purified and shaved when they found him, like a good Jewish boy.. either way looks like pleasing men, had got him into trouble...

21:26Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.
27And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him...,

But I must admit, Paul is one to play his cards very well

23:6But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brothers, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question


22:25And as they bound him with thongs, Paul said to the centurion that stood by, Is it lawful for you to whip a man that is a Roman, and uncondemned? 26 When the centurion heard that, he went and told the chief captain, saying, Take heed what you do: for this man is a Roman. 27 Then the chief captain came, and said to him, Tell me, are you a Roman? He said, Yes