Pat Robertson?!?!

[SpaceIsThePlace]

I'm just curious as to what everyone thinks of him...here are some of his more interesting quotes...

[size=-1]God's pattern is for men to be the leaders, both in the church and in the family... "Women should listen and learn quietly and submissively. I do not let women teach men or have authority over them."
[size=-1]-- Pat Robertson, reciting a passage from I Timothy in his book, Bring It On, quoted from Nicholas D. Kristof, "Peter, Paul, Mary ... and God" (The New York Times: February 28, 2004) ††[/size][/size]
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Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again. It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians. Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history.

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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=+1]The Bible says the Earth belongs to man, but the heavens belong to the Lord. He has given us the Earth. He also warned, way back when Moses was writing down not only what is the Ten Commandments, but Deuteronomy, which is almost the Second Law.

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=+1]Here is what he said to the children of Israel about this whole matter:[/size][/font]

• [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=+1]"If there is found among you, within any of your gates which the Lord your God gives you, a man or a woman who has been wicked in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing His covenant, who has gone and served other gods and worshipped them, either the sun or moon or any of the hosts of heaven which I have not commanded you, and you hear of it, then you shall inquire diligently. And if it is indeed true and certain that such an abomination has been committed in Israel, then you shall bring out to your gates that man or woman who has committed that wicked thing, and stone to death that man or woman with stones." (Deuteronomy 17:2-5, NKJV)[/size][/font]
  

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=+1]Now, that's what Moses said to the children of Israel about those who worship the sun and the moon and the hosts of heaven, because these things, at best, are lifeless nothings, or, if they are intelligent, they're demonic. And, yes, there is a host of heaven. There are angels and there are fallen angels. There is no question about it.[/size][/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=+1]Can a demon appear as a slanty-eyed, funny-looking creature? Of course he can, or it can. Of course they can deceive people. And if they can lead somebody away from the true God, or away from Jesus Christ, anyway it happens, it doesn't matter, you will lose your salvation. It doesn't matter how they get you. The question is, did they get you, and under what guise?[/size][/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=+1]This is man in rebellion against God, who refuses to take God's Law. And God says, "My covenant says you won't do this. And if I find anybody in Israel," -- which is his pure nation -- "If I find anybody in Israel that's doing this sort of thing, then I want you to take him out and dispose of him."[/size][/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=+1]It's a clear violation of God's word.[/size][/font]
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[/size][/font]There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the Constitution. It is a lie of the Left and we are not going to take it anymore.

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Ladies and gentlemen, I want to say this very clearly. If the people of the United States -- all across America, in their churches and in their civic groups and in their legislatures -- decide that they're not going to allow the Supreme Court to dominate their lives in the fashion that it has been in this nation, the Supreme Court does not have the power to change that. They are not going to be able to overturn the will of a hundred million American people. And I think the time has come that we throw off the shackles of this dictatorship that's been imposed upon us.
We had a war in 1776 that set us free from the shackles of the arbitrary rule of the British crown, and I think what's going on in Corbin, Kentucky, boy, those people like to live free. And I think the time has come that we do that...

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We have imagined ourselves invulnerable and have been consumed by the pursuit of ... health, wealth, material pleasures and sexuality... It [terrorism] is happening because God Almighty is lifting his protection from us.

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But I want to say as surely as I am sitting here today, this is only a foretaste, a little warning, of what is going to happen..
[size=-1]-- Pat Robertson, remarking on the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001[/size]

There's a lot more where that came from too... and no, i am not making this up.
OM SHANTI.

 

[Cian]

What do I think of Pat Robinson? I would tell everyone what I think of him but most of it would be censored and no one would understand what I was saying.

 

[FadingWhispers3]

I think that Pat Robertson needs someone to pray for him.

 

[arunma]

I think that Pat Robertson is a false teacher. He ought not to be even allowed behind a pulpit, because he teaches false doctrine. He is a legalist, and he is attempting to undo the work that our holy apostles Paul and Barnabas did to rid the church of legalism. However, I'll respond to what you've quoted him as saying (and I'll assume that you've accurately quoted him).

I'm just curious as to what everyone thinks of him...here are some of his more interesting quotes...

[size=-1]God's pattern is for men to be the leaders, both in the church and in the family... "Women should listen and learn quietly and submissively. I do not let women teach men or have authority over them."
[size=-1]-- Pat Robertson, reciting a passage from I Timothy in his book, Bring It On, quoted from Nicholas D. Kristof, "Peter, Paul, Mary ... and God" (The New York Times: February 28, 2004) ††[/size][/size]

Actually, this one is correct. According to the Holy Scriptures, women are not supposed to teach in church. This is the appropriate Scripture:

For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. (1 Corinthians 14:33-34)







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Now, this does not mean that women literally cannot speak while in church. The Apostle also confers on them (in the same epistle) the right to pray in church. In fact, the right is implied rather than directly stated, indicating that it was probably never contested.

Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man nor man of woman; for as woman was made from man, so man is now born of woman. And all things are from God. Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a wife to pray to God with her head uncovered? Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. (1 Corinthians 11:11-15)







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It may also help to read John Wesley's commentary on the verse.

1Co 14:34 - Let your women be silent in the churches - Unless they are under an extraordinary impulse of the Spirit. For, in other cases, it is not permitted them to speak - By way of teaching in public assemblies. But to be in subjection - To the man whose proper office it is to lead and to instruct the congregation. Gen_3:16.






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Traditionally, the Scripture in question has always been applied to the issue of allowing women to preach in the church.

Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again. It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians. Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history.

This is most assuredly foolishness. We American Christians aren't persecuted in the slightest. Our brothers in India, Pakistan, the Middle East, China, and many other places abroad, suffer real persecution. Pat Robertson has diminished their suffering in order to proclaim his own political agenda.

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=+1]The Bible says the Earth belongs to man, but the heavens belong to the Lord. He has given us the Earth. He also warned, way back when Moses was writing down not only what is the Ten Commandments, but Deuteronomy, which is almost the Second Law.

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=+1]Here is what he said to the children of Israel about this whole matter:[/size][/font]

• [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=+1]"If there is found among you, within any of your gates which the Lord your God gives you, a man or a woman who has been wicked in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing His covenant, who has gone and served other gods and worshipped them, either the sun or moon or any of the hosts of heaven which I have not commanded you, and you hear of it, then you shall inquire diligently. And if it is indeed true and certain that such an abomination has been committed in Israel, then you shall bring out to your gates that man or woman who has committed that wicked thing, and stone to death that man or woman with stones." (Deuteronomy 17:2-5, NKJV)[/size][/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=+1]Now, that's what Moses said to the children of Israel about those who worship the sun and the moon and the hosts of heaven, because these things, at best, are lifeless nothings, or, if they are intelligent, they're demonic. And, yes, there is a host of heaven. There are angels and there are fallen angels. There is no question about it.[/size][/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=+1]Can a demon appear as a slanty-eyed, funny-looking creature? Of course he can, or it can. Of course they can deceive people. And if they can lead somebody away from the true God, or away from Jesus Christ, anyway it happens, it doesn't matter, you will lose your salvation. It doesn't matter how they get you. The question is, did they get you, and under what guise?[/size][/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=+1]This is man in rebellion against God, who refuses to take God's Law. And God says, "My covenant says you won't do this. And if I find anybody in Israel," -- which is his pure nation -- "If I find anybody in Israel that's doing this sort of thing, then I want you to take him out and dispose of him."[/size][/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=+1]It's a clear violation of God's word.[/size][/font][/size][/font]

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[/size][/font]I'm not sure what Mr. Robertson is trying to say, here. Under the New Covenant, as mediated by Christ, the Old Testament serves us as a spiritual guide. Therefore, the teachings of the Law of Moses on this issue should teach us to expel ungodly people from the church, and not to tolerate heresies. The most appropriate New Testament Scripture would probably be these:

If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (Matthew 18:15-18)




But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler--not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. "Purge the evil person from among you." (1 Corinthians 5:11-13)

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[/size][/font]We must then ask ourselves how the Law of Moses should be applied to the church, when viewed through the lens of the New Testament. It sounds to me like Pat Robertson is referring to idolatry, since he discusses worship of the host of heaven (that is, celestial bodies such as the planets and stars). Indeed this is sinful. A person who worships the host of heaven ought to repent. And if he does not repent, he should be put out of the church.




Pat Robertson said, "It's a clear violation of God's law." My response is: precisely what is a clear violation of God's law? If he is referring to the worship of other gods within the church, then what he says happens to be right. But he may very well be trying to apply this verse incorrectly to some other situation. I'd need to read more of the quote to determine whether what he says is right or wrong.
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There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the Constitution. It is a lie of the Left and we are not going to take it anymore.

The words "separation of church and state" aren't actually in the Constitution. Thomas Jefferson coined this phrase in a letter he wrote to a Baptist Church, because they were afraid that the new Constitution (which was still being written) might lead to domination by popular Protestant groups. At this time, the Baptist church was a minority, and they did not want to be forced to adhere to another church's doctrine. Jefferson assured them that they would not have to worry about this.

Ladies and gentlemen, I want to say this very clearly. If the people of the United States -- all across America, in their churches and in their civic groups and in their legislatures -- decide that they're not going to allow the Supreme Court to dominate their lives in the fashion that it has been in this nation, the Supreme Court does not have the power to change that. They are not going to be able to overturn the will of a hundred million American people. And I think the time has come that we throw off the shackles of this dictatorship that's been imposed upon us.
We had a war in 1776 that set us free from the shackles of the arbitrary rule of the British crown, and I think what's going on in Corbin, Kentucky, boy, those people like to live free. And I think the time has come that we do that...

Maybe this quote is taken out of context, but it sounds to me like Mr. Robertson is advocating insurrection against the United States of America. The Bible tells us to obey our governmental leaders. So unless he has a very good reason for insurrection, what he's advocated is quite unbiblical.

We have imagined ourselves invulnerable and have been consumed by the pursuit of ... health, wealth, material pleasures and sexuality... It [terrorism] is happening because God Almighty is lifting his protection from us.

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But I want to say as surely as I am sitting here today, this is only a foretaste, a little warning, of what is going to happen..
[size=-1]-- Pat Robertson, remarking on the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001[/size]

From the time of Moses until the time of the Apostles, God gave his word to us through mortal men. At the moment, he has ceased giving us direct revelation. Now, the Bible does tell us that it is still possible for believers to prophesy the word of God. If Mr. Robertson is prophesying, he should tell us that what he says comes from the Lord (and he better be telling the truth, or else he has committed serious blasphemy). But if he does not claim to have the word of God, then he has no ability to tell us what God's will is without referring directly to the Scriptures.

 

[KaleTainer]

God's pattern is for men to be the leaders, both in the church and in the family... "Women should listen and learn quietly and submissively. I do not let women teach men or have authority over them."

Society's change.(period) Get with the times.

Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again. It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians. Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history.

WOW. It's hard to respond to something like this without linking the horror pictures of the Holocaust. That the majority of citizens of the United States would be experiencing something even on the same scale of suffering is just sanctimonious.

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Bible says the Earth belongs to man, but the heavens belong to the Lord. He has given us the Earth. He also warned, way back when Moses was writing down not only what is the Ten Commandments, but Deuteronomy, which is almost the Second Law.

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Now, that's what Moses said to the children of Israel about those who worship the sun and the moon and the hosts of heaven, because these things, at best, are lifeless nothings, or, if they are intelligent, they're demonic. And, yes, there is a host of heaven. There are angels and there are fallen angels. There is no question about it.

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Can a demon appear as a slanty-eyed, funny-looking creature? Of course he can, or it can. Of course they can deceive people. And if they can lead somebody away from the true God, or away from Jesus Christ, anyway it happens, it doesn't matter, you will lose your salvation. It doesn't matter how they get you. The question is, did they get you, and under what guise?

Oh, but did they get you Mr. Robertson? How do you know the demon isn't leading you away from salvation? Because they told you they weren't?
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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This is man in rebellion against God, who refuses to take God's Law. And God says, "My covenant says you won't do this. And if I find anybody in Israel," -- which is his pure nation -- "If I find anybody in Israel that's doing this sort of thing, then I want you to take him out and dispose of him."[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It's a clear violation of God's word.[/font]

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Yup, go forth and wipe out entire societies... I could understand maybe if you were a simpleton tribesman six thousand years ago, but in the twenty-first century... /sigh

There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the Constitution. It is a lie of the Left and we are not going to take it anymore.

[sarcasm]Yea! Gosh darnet! The founding fathers were Christians. They had slaves too. Why can't we!?[/sarcasm]

Ladies and gentlemen, I want to say this very clearly. If the people of the United States -- all across America, in their churches and in their civic groups and in their legislatures -- decide that they're not going to allow the Supreme Court to dominate their lives in the fashion that it has been in this nation, the Supreme Court does not have the power to change that. They are not going to be able to overturn the will of a hundred million American people. And I think the time has come that we throw off the shackles of this dictatorship that's been imposed upon us.
We had a war in 1776 that set us free from the shackles of the arbitrary rule of the British crown, and I think what's going on in Corbin, Kentucky, boy, those people like to live free. And I think the time has come that we do that...

A dictatorship... interesting... I'm sure America could be described as a lot of things but a dictatorship is a new one for me. Anyways. He is right that they could over throw it. That many people motivated towards a common goal. You could change whatever you wanted with this country. Luckily, the christians can't seem to all be on the same side to make this happen.

We have imagined ourselves invulnerable and have been consumed by the pursuit of ... health, wealth, material pleasures and sexuality... It [terrorism] is happening because God Almighty is lifting his protection from us.

Yes, it is somehow evil to pursue wealth and material pleasures... you know, those things that run the demand for our economy! [sarcasm]As for health and sexuality, meh... he's right. We don't need either. We can all meet our maker within a generation and stop this original sin thing from spreading.Oh, and Katrina hit New Orleans because of all of the homosexuals![/sarcasm]

But I want to say as surely as I am sitting here today, this is only a foretaste, a little warning, of what is going to happen..
-- Pat Robertson, remarking on the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001

If your so sure how about you give us a what/when/where/how/who? We can dispense with why till after we catch the pricks.






-Kale

 

[outlaw]

I think the polite word for Pat Robertson is “fruitcake”

 

[Paladin Dave]

If the man truly is a real Christian(probably not.), and he knew how much of a bad name he alone gave Christianity, he would renounce his priesthood straight away. But no. As was said earlier, this is about his political agenda. He thinks himself(or acts that way) to be a new prophet of sorts, with how he condemns people and proclaims that a certain tragedy is the wrath of God. If he were just a bit more over the edge or as misleading as he was misled, then I might consider the possibility of him being the False Prophet in Revelation. He may try at times to spread Christian values, but those are by far outweighed by the biggotry, ignorance, isolation, and hate he spreads and encourages.

 

[ServantofTheOne]

Its all about the benjamins

 

[Vastavus]

I regard Robertson as a sanctimonious and unctuous crackpot.

 

[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

Its all about the benjamins

I watch the 700 club at least 3 times a week, because I like to see what he'll say. At least on one of those episodes each week, he has a story of people that were dead broke and decide to give their last pennies to CBN. After they have given the last of their money, God "suddenly" fills all their dreams.

It's probably the most lucrative scam in the world.

 

[TrueQ]

Pat Robertson, are we still listening to him? I thought the country decided to just start tuning him out.

It doesn't seem to me worthwhile to pick out the things he says which are wrong. Because, to me anyway, all the words he says seem to have the same general aura of 'wrongness'. All the errors and mistaken conjectures of his speeches' just kind of run together to me like ice cream does when its served with hot fudge, though not nearly as deliciously.

 

[urnotme]

If the man truly is a real Christian(probably not.), and he knew how much of a bad name he alone gave Christianity, he would renounce his priesthood straight away. But no. As was said earlier, this is about his political agenda. He thinks himself(or acts that way) to be a new prophet of sorts, with how he condemns people and proclaims that a certain tragedy is the wrath of God. If he were just a bit more over the edge or as misleading as he was misled, then I might consider the possibility of him being the False Prophet in Revelation. He may try at times to spread Christian values, but those are by far outweighed by the biggotry, ignorance, isolation, and hate he spreads and encourages.

Just think he could have been president. I think he ran for president several elections ago.

 

[Abbadon]

Just think he could have been president. I think he ran for president several elections ago.

As much of a "God and Country hating, unAmerican, baby-killing, Christian-oppressing" liberal I am, I'll readily accept Bush over him.

Some basic reasons why Pat Robertson is just plaing dumb:

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pat_Robertson

Gotta love anything to do with wikipedia.

 

[LibertyChic]

I read the OP and all I can hear is Pat Robertson's voice in my head. *shudder*

 

[morningstar2651]

I think Robertson is an entertaining satire...

Unfortunately, he takes himself seriously.

 

[ravenscape]

I wish he were an entertaining satire. Even more unfortunately a fair number of followers take him seriously. And that's just...scary

 

[rowena]

The man needs to put down the crack and pick up a Bible and actually read it, not just the verses that suit his purposes.

 

[Arthra]

I find Robertson's statement:

"They (Supreme Court) are not going to be able to overturn the will of a hundred million American people. And I think the time has come that we throw off the shackles of this dictatorship that's been imposed upon us."

quite disturbing...

We have three branches of government in the US and the Supreme Court is the highest court in the land. So he is advocating disobeying the highest court in the land.

I may not always agree with court decisions but once they're law we have to accept that...We can change laws of course through due process.

- Art

 

[Moros]

Robertson is a mouth, and opinions are like ars... er, belly buttons.

 

[ander_cool]

Paty is my favourite Joker.