Pat Robertson attacks creation: Let's not make ourselves a joke

[Yarddog]

Jesus is the Word, which is the Scripture.

Scripture calls Jesus the Word but never calls scripture the Word. Jesus gave us the Gospel which is found in Holy Scripture and Holy Tradition.

What religion would use that to diminish Scripture?

None that I know of but what religion would diminish Holy Tradition?

Good grief. Here we go again. Before it gets started, I'm not going there.

Going off on one of your holier than thou tirades again? Maybe you should understand an issue before you comment on it. Then, maybe you won't get things so screwed up.

There are not many hidden mysteries in the Word, except possibly prophecy, which is unfolding now.

You contradict yourself in one sentence. That may be a new record of you. Unfortunately, scripture says that there are things hidden from man in scripture but if you cannot see them, you would not know what they may be.

God Bless

 

[ViaCrucis]

This is probably the first time I've ever actually agreed with Pat Robertson. I was pretty certain there was nothing that I agreed with him about.

Also, he didn't attack creation. He criticized Young Earth Creationism--a distinct theory that combines Ussher's Chronology, a woodenly literal interpretation of certain parts of Genesis, all meshed together with a rather silly pseudoscience.

It's neither science nor particularly biblical.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

As far as Pluto goes. There's a reason why it was "demoted", it's also not the first time we've had to re-classify a set of solar system objects from planets to something else. Before Pluto, before Neptune, there was the planet Ceres that orbits between Mars and Jupiter.

Never heard of the planet Ceres? That's because astronomers discovered there were all sorts of objects circling the sun between Mars and Jupiter. Ceres was reclassified as an asteroid, and asteroids were all those hunks of rock and ice between Mars and Jupiter--the Asteroid Belt. So no more planet Ceres. Pluto, then Charon, then...Eris? Orcus?

Oh, right, apparently there are a host of "trans-Neptunian" objects that are part of the Kuiper Belt, similar to the Asteroid Belt.

So Pluto was a Kuiper object like Ceres was an asteroid.

So a new classification: Dwarf Planets.

Pluto, Charon, Orcus, Eris, Ceres, Sedna, Quaoar, and so on and so on.

So there are eight planets: four terrestrial planets (Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars) and four gas planets (Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune). And there are a host of dwarf planets, including Pluto and Ceres. And there are asteroids, and there are kuiper belt objects, and then further out there's the oort cloud.

And that makes up our solar system; all this orbiting around Sol, our sun.

Though this video makes it all sound more interesting and gives a better history of modern solar system classifications:
Is Pluto a planet? - YouTube

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ToBeBlessed]

As far as Pluto goes. There's a reason why it was "demoted", it's also not the first time we've had to re-classify a set of solar system objects from planets to something else. Before Pluto, before Neptune, there was the planet Ceres that orbits between Mars and Jupiter.

Never heard of the planet Ceres? That's because astronomers discovered there were all sorts of objects circling the sun between Mars and Jupiter. Ceres was reclassified as an asteroid, and asteroids were all those hunks of rock and ice between Mars and Jupiter--the Asteroid Belt. So no more planet Ceres. Pluto, then Charon, then...Eris? Orcus?

Oh, right, apparently there are a host of "trans-Neptunian" objects that are part of the Kuiper Belt, similar to the Asteroid Belt.

So Pluto was a Kuiper object like Ceres was an asteroid.

So a new classification: Dwarf Planets.

Pluto, Charon, Orcus, Eris, Ceres, Sedna, Quaoar, and so on and so on.

So there are eight planets: four terrestrial planets (Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars) and four gas planets (Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune). And there are a host of dwarf planets, including Pluto and Ceres. And there are asteroids, and there are kuiper belt objects, and then further out there's the oort cloud.

And that makes up our solar system; all this orbiting around Sol, our sun.

Though this video makes it all sound more interesting and gives a better history of modern solar system classifications:
Is Pluto a planet? - YouTube

-CryptoLutheran

It was a riff on science that says they have the answers, until they find a better answer. Sorry if you wrote all that to help.

 

[steve_bakr]

Excerpt:

In providing his feedback on Tuesday’s debate between Ken Ham of Answers in Genesis and Bill Nye ‘the Science Guy,’ televangelist Pat Robertson went off on a two-minute monologue on Wednesday about why he holds to the opinion that Christians need to get over their young earth beliefs.

Speaking on his daily broadcast of the 700 Club, Robertson focused on the calculations and analysis of Bishop James Ussher, the Church of Ireland Archbishop and scholar who once dated the world as being 6,000 years old.

“Let’s face it,” he said. “There was a bishop in the Middle Ages there—1800?s or something—who added up the dates listed in Genesis and he came up with [a calculation that] the world had been around for 6,000 years. There ain’t no way that’s possible.”

“Anybody that’s in the oil business knows that he’s drilling down two miles, three miles, four miles underground. You’re cutting through all these layers laid down by the dinosaurs,” Robertson asserted. “And we have skeletons of dinosaurs that go back about about 65 million years.”

The televangelist then began to amp up his remarks by scoffing at those who believe in a young earth, calling for reformation among Christians.

“[T]o say that it all came about 6,000 years ago is just nonsense, and I think it’s time we come off of that stuff and say this isn’t possible,” he declared.

“So, there was a Big Bang. So? That doesn’t mean it came spontaneously. Nobody knows what caused the Big Bang, but I say God did it,” Robertson continued. “God’s in charge of all this. God’s in control. He is the author of all life, but we’ve got to be realistic that the dating of Biship Ussher just doesn’t comport with anything that is found in science.”

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URL to article: Pat Robertson Blasts Ken Ham’s Young Earth Beliefs: ‘Let’s Not Make a Joke of Ourselves’ | Christian News Network

700 Club video: RWW News: Even Pat Robertson Attacks Creationism As A "Joke" - YouTube

I did always wonder about Pat Robertson ...

I'm not a fan of his, but the young earth viewpoint is today's version of the flat earth society. It will die out as people become more informed.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

That's the whole point of science and what makes it work!

Testing, experimenting, gathering evidence, debating, refuting ideas and creating new theories is called progress. The process of 'constantly disproving itself' means that we've got computers, smartphones, modern medicine and spaceships rather than being stuck in the middle ages.

Please don't misunderstand that I am "anti-science". I very much love science. In fact during early to middle school it was my favorite subject. I still try to read up on modern astronomy and physics.. of course I look for the dummified explanations for me. Math wasn't my favorite subject in school. lol

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

The bible isn't a science book or a history book. it is the partial special revelation of God to man.

I say partial, because when you deal with something as infinite in depth and scope as God, only so much understanding with our finite minds, and all the words in every languages limit Him in so many ways than we can imagine.

I personally believe the Bible to be infallible, accurate, but not always literal in its pages. Why? because it has only so few limited words to explain a infinite Being or said Being's infinite perfect intelligence in relation to our own, we only know part of the story, but for some reason God deemed that to be enough for when salvation is concerned.

 

[Habbit Animal]

 

[tulc]

It was a riff on science that says they have the answers, until they find a better answer. Sorry if you wrote all that to help.

so...unless someone claims to have an answer that doesn't change even when new evidence is discovered you don't believe it?
tulc(is just curious)

 

[ViaCrucis]

It was a riff on science that says they have the answers, until they find a better answer. Sorry if you wrote all that to help.

That's how science operates. Newton's theories on gravitation have been improved upon by Einstein's theories on relativity, and since Einstein physicists have continued to improve upon our understanding of physics.

Science isn't a claim to all knowledge, but a methodology of empirical knowledge, what we think we know is an ever-evolving process through the acquisition of new data and the improvement of theories--and at times discarding theories that ultimately are unable to hold up under the scrutiny of new data.

Even if you were just using the Pluto situation as a riff, two things need to be pointed out anyway:

1) Science, done rightly, is almost certainly going to change over time as we uncover new data that improves our understanding and knowledge of the natural universe. That's not a flaw, but a feature.

2) The science didn't change with the re-classification of Pluto, rather our semantics did, and the result is better, clearer semantics to describe what Pluto is within the solar family. As the video notes, the language of "planet" is likely to go through further refinement, or it may become a meaningless term altogether. Jupiter and Mars are both, currently, called "planets" and yet they are radically different sorts of celestial bodies; we should not be surprised if in the future that terminology becomes further refined and clarified and the two are classified differently.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Archie the Preacher]

And the Biblically inspired beliefs of a flat Earth and an Earth centered solar system didn't change?

BUT OF COURSE - it just isn't possible Bishop Ussher was in error about the age of the Earth. Really? For the record, I don't recall Bishop Ussher being canonized as an inspired writer of sacred scripture. When was that?

Please understand what I am saying; the Bible is not wrong, but what people make of it has been wrong on several occasions. The unfortunate Galileo incident being one of the most public.

 

[florida2]

I agree!

And I ask science; what in the world happened to Pluto? His life is in ruins now as he is no longer a planet.

What happened science? Change your mind again?

My own little saying is "science is science until science proves their own theory wrong. No that's not right, science is always right until science proves their own theory in error, and replaces error theory with new found theory that is absolute truth."

It's a vicious circle. I think of them like a dog who constantly is chasing their own tail. Spinning around in a circle, thinking they have arrived somewhere, when really they are still chasing the tail of the dog.

What on Earth are you talking about?

Science is not fact. Science puts forward theories (please look up the scientific, not common, definition of the word).

These theories may become generally accepted (like gravity, evolution, germ theory etc.) and would need some very impressive evidence to overcome the evidence already backing them up. Other theories are put forward and often change.

Where you see confusion and inaccuracy, I see progress and improvement. Science does constantly change its mind as new evidence is presented, new theories are devised and old theories are tweaked or chucked away.

If you think science is chasing its own tail and not arriving anywhere, why are we able to communicate on computers via the internet and not scratching ink onto pieces of parchment with a quill?

 

[ToBeBlessed]

What on Earth are you talking about?

Science is not fact. Science puts forward theories (please look up the scientific, not common, definition of the word).

These theories may become generally accepted (like gravity, evolution, germ theory etc.) and would need some very impressive evidence to overcome the evidence already backing them up. Other theories are put forward and often change.

Where you see confusion and inaccuracy, I see progress and improvement. Science does constantly change its mind as new evidence is presented, new theories are devised and old theories are tweaked or chucked away.

If you think science is chasing its own tail and not arriving anywhere, why are we able to communicate on computers via the internet and not scratching ink onto pieces of parchment with a quill?

For every scientific theory, there are few that are all agreed upon. The agree'ers are not the ones who usually find anything new.

It is the ones who don't agree usually find the new theory.

Seek and you shall find. Knock and the door will be opened.

When the push evolution as 'fact', when there are many who don't agree, they have preconceived opinions and work that into their thoughts when getting new information.

 

[Simpleman25]

I once watched a video but now I can't remember which one it was but it said that Pat Robertson and TBN are both under the control of Freemasonry. I could certainly believe that. If you watch both they are different from any of the other Christian programming. I'll have to try and find it.

Whether or not they are, Pat Robertson gets more senile with every year. He often says "off the wall" things.

Good grief. Under the control of freemasonry? Please explain what you mean. With some actual facts please.

 

[woodpecker]

Pat Roberson is a false teacher and prophet... He has had so many false prophecies I am amazed people still listen to him.